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Are we leaving gifted students behind?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | August 31, 2011 | Stacy Teicher Khadaroo,

Posted on 09/06/2011 11:44:40 PM PDT by Niuhuru

Ian McKeachie is a freckled 15-year-old who "drifted along" in elementary school. Not because he didn't love to learn or because it wasn't a good school, but because he mastered new concepts so quickly that the classroom work presented no challenge.

"My teachers would usually use me as a tutor for the other kids," he says, "so I was engaged in school, just not in a way that had me learning."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: america; class; classroom; education; elementary; genius; gifted; kids; learning; school; teacher; tutor; work

1 posted on 09/06/2011 11:44:45 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Niuhuru

We need schools that let kids move up at their own pace. Unfortunately that means we’ll be expanding student parking at elementary schools.


2 posted on 09/07/2011 12:32:59 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

The biggest problem with our system is that we are trying to save everyone from their own failings. We need to stop all this nonsense of rescuing the self destructive. We need the best possible environment for our kids and we need to help those who help themselves.


3 posted on 09/07/2011 12:47:01 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

That what I was saying in my own stupid way. :p


4 posted on 09/07/2011 12:57:24 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Niuhuru
Does anyone have thoughts on Khan Academy as a solution?
5 posted on 09/07/2011 1:01:34 AM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad

They need a new name for one. I always think of Aga Khan or Khaaaaaaan!!!!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 09/07/2011 1:08:17 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Niuhuru

A student this good could be bumped up a grade (or more, if he’s still blowing away the tests).


7 posted on 09/07/2011 1:09:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: GeronL
They need a new name for one.

I don't like the name either, but Salman Khan is an American from New Orleans.

8 posted on 09/07/2011 1:16:59 AM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad

“Does anyone have thoughts on Khan Academy as a solution?”

Looks good on first look. I wish I’d had this about 3 years ago. I used the National Repository of Online Courses for my daughter. http://www.montereyinstitute.org/nroc/nrocdemos.html

She was enrolled in 2 university classes at 13 while doing 2 NROC courses at home. She missed the high school “Very Highly Gifted” program by 2 points. She scored so high on the ACT that there was no point in sending her to high school. It was suggested that my son be given drugs for ADDH when he was 6. I told them to stuff it, he was just bored in school. He graduated college with honors last Spring. Public education is designed to churn out socialist, dem. bots, so yes, it is failing.


9 posted on 09/07/2011 1:18:32 AM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick over 40)
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To: pops88

Will look at later. My one daughter got into honors, and the other just missed it (8th grade). But summer assignments they both did the honors level stuff, and will try to keep that going - or go with something more.

Just found out that next year there will be no honor’s classes in junior high, something to do with all the kids should have an equal chance. My wife laughs when I call them a bunch of commies, until I explain more. Same goes for all of the “group projects” they do.

Luckily they are moving up to High School, and they can get into the Honors classes just by wanting to be in. (The one daughter missed it this year by three points on her essay).


10 posted on 09/07/2011 1:27:57 AM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: GeronL
We need schools that let kids move up at their own pace. Unfortunately that means we’ll be expanding student parking at elementary schools.

That's right. And provide the capable students with martial arts training, handgun training, and a Coyote Special type pistol. I was one of the younger ones in my elementary school fourth grade class, and Billy Charles Kill 13/14 (yep, that was his name) terrorized me outside the classroom. Sixty-five years ago, BTW. I moved on, he stayed behind and I don't recall seeing him again. Kids that slow should be in a different kind of school, as should the "gifted".

That is unless the schools are big enough to have "streaming", three different levels of instruction within the same grade. It works, but is expensive and there would be howls of "discrimination" from the usual suspects.
11 posted on 09/07/2011 1:30:22 AM PDT by caveat emptor (FUBO)
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To: Niuhuru; GeronL; TChad; pops88; caveat emptor; 21twelve; HiTech RedNeck
Charles Murray is right. We need qualifying exams starting in first grade. If a child takes a certified exam proving that he as mastered a particular subject then he would be **immediately** promoted to the next level in that specific subject.

Children should be permitted to take the GED at any age, or a similar qualifying exam. If they pass the local high school would be required to give them an official high school diploma. The student would then be eligible for all state a private scholarships and loans for college or post-secondary training.

Finally....ALL of the government school lectures from first to 12th grade should be filmed and put on the Internet for access by its citizens for FREE! ( We pay taxes don't we?) Then the student ( or any citizen) can move forward at his own pace or fill in and gaps where he may not have fully understood a topic. Qualifying exams would prove he has mastered the material.

Allowing students to graduate from high school and move on into their local community college, university, or post-secondary training would save the taxpayers literally BILLIONS! Fewer schools and teachers would be needed. Also the benefit to the students, allowing them to start their careers earlier could add up to a quarter of a million to a million dollars or more of earnings over a lifetime.

Personally...I think government schools exist for the benefit of teachers, bureaucrats, unions, and Democrat Communist Party. The longer they can keep kids dependent on them and in an infantilized state, the more work for them and the more money that flows into the union and Democrat Party pockets.

12 posted on 09/07/2011 1:54:17 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

You really nailed it. I was floored when my daughter told me she wanted to take the obligatory college math class so she’d be prepared to take the GED, and this before she was old enough to take it. The first day of class, the teacher didn’t know what the “brackets” were called. She informed him they were “curly braces.” He loves her. LOL.


13 posted on 09/07/2011 2:09:38 AM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick over 40)
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To: Niuhuru

*Note: Didn’t read the whole article yet.. will read later though.*

I will say this though; this situation is nothing new. It happened to me throughout Grade School, Middle School AND High School. It made me very poorly prepared to face academic challenges when I was in college, and the material actually required me to give some effort to understand it.

This is one of the main reasons I homeschool my children. I believe it’s about the only way they can truly learn at their own pace.


14 posted on 09/07/2011 3:37:19 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: pops88

Thanks much for posting the link to the Nat’l Repository! What an incredible resource!


15 posted on 09/07/2011 3:43:53 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Niuhuru

Ping for later


16 posted on 09/07/2011 3:44:06 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: pops88; TChad; HiTech RedNeck; wintertime; LibertyRocks

It’s too bad that smart girl is stuck being a tutor to the other students when she could be nurturing herself. She shouldn’t be basically doing additional work that is the job of the teacher, not herself.


17 posted on 09/07/2011 3:46:16 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: pops88

You must be so PROUD!!!!

This is what should be done for kids who have large brains; for the life of me, I do not understand why we are trashing our most valuable resource, while other countries cultivate theirs. There is no reason that we can support some slut who had nine to ten kids out of wedlock, but not support a brainy kid who just needs the right mentoring to really blaze a trail.


18 posted on 09/07/2011 3:49:54 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Yes, but tweaking the school model won’t help.


19 posted on 09/07/2011 4:04:42 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: GeronL
My nephew was extremely gifted, not genius, just smart and driven to excel accademically. Fortunately his parents had the financial ability to send him to an exclusive private school here in S.E. Michigan that had the resources to challenge him.

All his classes in junior and senior high were advanced college level courses. He's the only kid I know that had three years of Latin..........

He then went on to a small private college out in Mass. While his classes in high school made him eligible to enter college as a junior, he chose instead to do the full four years, have fun (in a good way) and excel on the school's hockey team..........

Following graduation, he took a year off, played semi-pro hockey in Europe while doing some extensive traveling with his teammates then came home and entered the University of Michigan Medical school.......

I'm not sure all that could have happened if he had gone to public school. Maybe, but I have to believe that having the private school on his resume definitely helped him get in to U of M Med.

20 posted on 09/07/2011 4:08:29 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (FREE YOUR BREASTS! FREE YOUR MIND!)
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To: Niuhuru

I just finished a book about the Amish. There was a study of Amish kids performance (in various proportions in schools) vs public school kids.

Best performance was Amish kids in a parochial school with only other Amish kids.

Right up next to that were Amish kids in a PUBLIC school that only had Amish kids.

Far behind were bvarious proportions of Amish kids including over 50% in public schools and last public schools with no Amish kids.

What that would suggest is that RESPECT FOR THE TEACHER, ORDER AND DISCIPLINE in the classroom are key along with parental involvement at home.

Obviously even less than 50% of a class that is undisciplined wrecks it for all.


21 posted on 09/07/2011 4:43:00 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: Niuhuru

I won’t claim to have been a gifted student, just more able than most.
I was bored out of my skull through most of my public school days. My parents taught me how to read before kindergarten. We had no TV yet (very early 1950s) so reading was our entertainment. In the 1st grade I was often admonished for being ahead of the rest of the class. I read our reading book, “Fun with Dick and Jane” the first day. While everyone else was struggling to read “See Spot. See Spot run.” during class I’d be staring out the window and daydreaming. The rest of elementary school wasn’t any better. I developed an intense dislike for rote homework but did well enough on tests to pass with low grades.
High school wasn’t much better, I continued to brush off homework and max my tests and quizzes. I was even called in to see a shrink, the school wanted to know why I did so well on tests but seldom did homework. If they had asked me I would have told them. The interview didn’t last long and the shrink determined I had too many chores at home! My parents weren’t happy and thought I had fed the shrink a line of BS.
All this led to a humorous time as graduation approached. Our Advanced Math teacher demanded we turn in every page of back homework. I was hundreds of pages behind. At our graduation rehearsal she stormed in and read the list of people who would not graduate if the homework wasn’t turned in. I didn’t care if she did fail me, I had more than enough math credits. She wasn’t happy when I was handed my diploma. Her expression made my day.


22 posted on 09/07/2011 4:54:17 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: LibertyRocks
I will say this though; this situation is nothing new. It happened to me throughout Grade School, Middle School AND High School. It made me very poorly prepared to face academic challenges when I was in college, and the material actually required me to give some effort to understand it.

Boy is that a familiar story.

I too hadn't learned study or note-taking skills in high school or earlier because I didn't need them. Once I hit college and later grad school I definitely needed them!

23 posted on 09/07/2011 5:34:22 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: TChad

I wouldn’t want my child bumped up and going to college at 16 years old immature. The article is about a kid that acts as a tutor to peers because the coursework is already mastered. This is not a bad thing. Teaching and tutoring is a skill that needs to be developed as the child will likely be filling a management role in the workforce. I would be happy with this role for my child and encourage further learning on his own time out of school. I’d rather he be helping others learn than moving on and out of the house when he is not emotionally ready. That’s just me.


24 posted on 09/07/2011 6:09:28 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: TChad

Khan Academy is an excellent resource for teaching concepts, but not all children can learn by sitting in front of a computer screen - many will seek electronic distractions with more feedback instead. But it works well for homework concept help and home schooling families.


25 posted on 09/07/2011 6:24:08 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Niuhuru

Her parents should have told the teacher that their daughter is not a school employee.


26 posted on 09/07/2011 10:14:30 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: wolfman23601

I hope this girl is getting extra credit when she does this stuff. as for going to college, there should be an age limit as to moving onto campus and frankly anyone under the age of eighteen should end up taking courses online. The last thing colleges and universities and parents need is an Emily Beresfield situation on their hands.


27 posted on 09/07/2011 10:30:39 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

She will get the credit if she takes it. She can use her experience for references and resume enhancers if she doesn’t get it toward her GPA


28 posted on 09/07/2011 12:13:51 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Niuhuru

She will get the credit if she takes it. She can use her experience for references and resume enhancers if she doesn’t get it toward her GPA


29 posted on 09/07/2011 12:13:51 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Niuhuru

The last two years of high school are mind numbing for smart kids. They have too much time to ruin their attitudes and characters during this period of busy work - amoral nothingness.

This is where teens lose their own motivation and minds and learn to follow the lowest common denominator of the herd like good little, dumbed down conforming socialists.


30 posted on 09/07/2011 4:11:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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