Vanity: a simple way to fix social security

[disraeligears]

The Social Security system in my opinion is definitely a ponzi scheme and what follows is a way to fix it. If you agree with this approach, please cut and paste and pass it on to other forums.

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

That’s too close to Libertarian for me and I don’t believe in natural selection for humans. I’m also a frugal person who has no tolerance for the indulgence of others. A minimum payment to keep them going paid for on a cash flow basis makes sense to me.

[JDW11235]

There’s nothing in the Constitution that even allows for Social Security, it’s completely unconstitutional. Like I said before people get touchy over obamacare, but not Wilson’s retirement care. I shouldn’t be forced to buy either. States are allowed to make thier own programs, the Federal Goverment is not. I happen to be a very charitable person, on top of the robbery and theft stolen from me at the gunpoint of the law. But NO ONE should be forced to slave away for another, which is EXACTLY what social security is. It was supposed to supplement one’s own savings. What happened, people stopped saving and are now at the mercy of the Benevolence of Big Brother. The death panels are already in existence, they’ll get worse as there’s less and less money. I’m not willing to exchange my liberty for security, even if you’re willing for me to. Sorry.

Besides, you said this:
“A minimum payment to keep them going paid for on a cash flow basis makes sense to me.”

I don’t care to decide what “minimum” is for someone else, they should decide that on their own, by using their own funds to do so. Charity has a place, but so does self-reliance.

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

Beans and rice, rice and beans. I could see $10k a year max plus a minimum of medical expenses.

On the constitutional issue we agree academically but practically, most Americans take a Madasonian view of the constitution rather than a Jefersonian view. Madison wanted a government that when the House, Senate and President agree is powerful. Jefersonians have always been fighting a rearguard action and have given a lot of ground.

If it gets out of hand and on it’s present course it will, then we can go to 50 nations rather than one.

[JDW11235]

“Beans and rice, rice and beans.”

You’ve just described my basic diet. I agree with you that we have a lot of ground, but I think the major problem that most people have to overcome is the idea that things can’t be fixed. It’s because the liberals keep changing the rules and then say “Well, not just try and get what you want when limited to our method of law making.” We have, have, heave to get back to our Republic, and that requires strict adherence to the U.S. Constitution.

“Madison wanted a government that when the House, Senate and President agree is powerful.”

That may be true, but the system set up was meant to have representative for one in every 30-60K people, not nearly 1 million, and to have state legislatures appoint their senators, thus being a true democratic, representative Republic and not the Democracy we’re almost fully at today (with states pledging all electoral votes to the popular vote winners). Democracies are vital to communism/socialism, and we’re almost there, in which case the constitution will mean nothing. The Founding Fathers too reminded us that Democracies are “as short in their lives, as they are violent in their deaths.”

Another FReeper introduced me to this site, and a few others have recently begun to talk about it, you may find it interesting:

http://www.thirty-thousand.org/