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Perry comes under fire at the CNN/Tea Party Debate
CNN ^ | 9/12/11 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:15 PM PDT by Kartographer

Edited on 09/12/2011 8:50:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Perry repeatedly found himself in the crosshairs, as the field of candidates took turns attacking his positions on illegal immigration, Social Security, and his controversial 2007 push to vaccinate Texas schoolgirls against human papillomavirus, a common sexually transmitted that can lead to cervical cancer. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, whose standing among Republicans has slipped dramatically since Perry entered the race, said she was "offended" by Perry's executive order, which included an opt-out provision for parents who did not want the vaccine.


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To: Kartographer
He should not regret doing it. He acted in the furtherance of the legislature's public health goals by ensuring the widest dissemination of and coverage for the vaccine. This was a failure of procedure, not intent.

Here's some history to enlighten you on how he came to sign the order.

In 2005, the Texas legislature set a priority to eliminate cervical cancer mortality by 2015 (HB 2475). It directed the state health agency to produce a report and deliver it to the governor by the end of 2006. It did so and that report concluded the vaccine Gardasil made the goal attainable. 47 page report (Acrobat PDF)

Perry signed the order in 2007 protecting parental rights with an opt-out clause while ensuring insurance, Medicaid and other programs would cover the expensive vaccine while an opt-in would not.

The vaccine had been tested and approved by the FDA and recommended by the CDC, NiH, American Academy of Pediatrics and others. A few years later its approved uses have expanded to other types of HPV-related cancers and to use in males.


Note worth quotes from the above documents:

HB 2475 said, "This bill requires the Department of State Health Services to develop a strategic plan to eliminate mortality from cervical cancer by the year 2015…" "The strategic plan must be developed and delivered to the governor and legislature no later than December 31, 2006."

A 47 page report (Acrobat PDF) called "Texas Cervical Cancer Strategic Plan," December 2006, by Texas Department of State Health Services in collaboration with The Texas Cancer Council was delivered.

Page 8, "Executive summary" Armed with this new HPV vaccine, we can achieve the moment when we know our goal — eliminating cervical cancer death and suffering — is in reach.

Page 20, "Access to Care" - "Women must have access to cervical cancer screening to eliminate cervical cancer in Texas. The National Cancer Institute reports that groups of women with high cervical cancer mortality:...

… "Widespread vaccination is a key to reducing cervical cancer incidence in Texas"

181 posted on 09/13/2011 1:24:24 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: DRey
Even with a vaccination, you still will need a booster if you want to travel out of the country.

One of my grandchildren has eczema since she was an infant, but psoriasis is worse and 3 of my 4 son's has it but one son and my daughter don't.

It can run in families....My granddaughter is finally outgrowing it, she just hit her teens, but as a baby she would rub her fists on the carpet until they would bleed. Had to keep an Sharp eye on her as a babe... If you have eczema, you have my sympathy, its no picnic when there is a flare up... With psoriasis, there is a type of arthritis that goes along with those that have a serious case. Son #1 is 53 and also has psoriatic arthritis. The other 2 don't....

I say it runs in family's as my mother had eczema until her mid teens and my granddaughter with it is the child of one of my son's that doesn't have either skin disorder...

I doubt that your skin problem has anything to do with getting or not getting a small pox vaccine...

I have the Mayo Clinic on my favorites and perhaps you can get some info. that your not aware of to deal with it...hope so....GG

182 posted on 09/13/2011 1:35:30 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Texan

free tuition for illegals
in-state tuition NOT “free tuition”

Excuse me. I should have said cheap tuition, while out of state U.S. citizens have to pay the full amount. What a travesty. It’s actually criminal in my mind to do so, not only because it financially penalizes our own citizens, but because it is aiding and abetting an illegal act, supporting an illegal alien. Perry is just like Bush when it comes to illegal aliens from south of the border, and I didn’t like it when it was Bush, and I can tell you I won’t like it if it is under Perry. Therefore, I hope Perry does not win the primary. He’s not my cup of tea for a variety of reasons, but this is the biggest issue for me, bar none.


183 posted on 09/13/2011 1:45:25 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: ncalburt

“I guess we are supposed to “left” you deranged Perry haters smear away and spread lies about Perry.”

One cannot debate rationally with a Perrybot. I see you resort to name calling and personal accusations, just like the Dems. Get a life.


184 posted on 09/13/2011 1:49:23 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: DRey

There is no free tuition for illegals in Texas. There never has been. There never will be. This is yet another lie being perpetuated about Perry, and a significant reason why we who know the man “jump to his defense.”

No, there is no lie, only a mistake in using the word free when I meant cheap. I repeat my comment I made to another poster who jumped on the same thing:

Excuse me. I should have said cheap tuition, while out of state U.S. citizens have to pay the full amount. What a travesty. It’s actually criminal in my mind to do so, not only because it financially penalizes our own citizens, but because it is aiding and abetting an illegal act, supporting an illegal alien. Perry is just like Bush when it comes to illegal aliens from south of the border, and I didn’t like it when it was Bush, and I can tell you I won’t like it if it is under Perry. Therefore, I hope Perry does not win the primary. He’s not my cup of tea for a variety of reasons, but this is the biggest issue for me, bar none.


185 posted on 09/13/2011 1:51:42 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: goat granny; All
mandates about sexual transmission of a particular cancer to a 12 year old that is not having sex, is the government going too far again.

The vaccine must be administered before risk of infection. That's why it's given at 12 although it's approved for as young as 9 or 10. A normal healthy 12 year old will grow up to one day start a family and that usually requires sexual activity. She, or he, won't know whether their partner is a carrier. Further, there's no way to know if she, or he, may be the victim of rape.

The target here is cancer, several cancers in fact, all of which are linked to a few strains of the HPV virus out of over 150. You don't expect to get into a car accident but you carry insurance. The vaccine is an insurance policy against select cancers.

Perry always ensured parents had the final say and took a step to make it even easier for them to opt-out.

He took this action because of legislation that had set a priority to eliminate cervical cancer mortality by 2015. That legislation (HB 2475) directed a study and report (Acrobat PDF) be delivered to the governor and that was done in 2006. It concluded, "Armed with this new HPV vaccine, we can achieve the moment when we know our goal — eliminating cervical cancer death and suffering — is in reach."

Further it said (see pg. 20) those needing it most are those without insurance so cost would be a factor. By making it "opt out," Medicaid and other programs, as well as insurance, would cover the costs.

In light of the legislature's specific health goals and the conclusions of the report, Perry crafted an executive order to ensure the widest possible access to the vaccine while protecting the ultimate authority of the parents of children in his state.

Finally, let me contrast this careful balance of coverage, access and liberty Rick Perry tried to provide with California's AB 499 which says children 12 years and older may consent to any "STD preventative care" themselves. There's no parental notification nor an opportunity for parents to opt-out. It's night and day. Ditto for ObamaCare where you can only "opt-out" by dying.

186 posted on 09/13/2011 1:54:07 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: newzjunkey
since I already said what I believe and the reason's for it, I haven't changed my mind since my other posts...12 year olds do not need it, so lets vaccinate all 12 year old girls and open them up to reactions/ I'd like to read a PDR and find out the contraindications and risks...My old PDR was from the 70’s when I first went in to nursing....A Physicans Desk Reference would give the truth..not what some pharm. company and government says....
187 posted on 09/13/2011 2:42:01 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Grey Eagle

No its not a lie, compare the % of girls that died during testing to the death rate of the cancer. The former is a higher %.

Really pretty simple.

So no lie, no untruth. Just people like you who love to use govt’s guns to force other people to do things.


188 posted on 09/13/2011 3:14:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DRey

You sure do seem interested in pushing progressive policies.


189 posted on 09/13/2011 3:17:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: D-fendr; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2324719/posts

Here’s just one source. 39 deaths reported which puts a lie to the CDC report. Amazing how people trust the CDC when its a govt agency with a clear political agenda.

The drug only provides protection for 4-5 years.

There are many other sources but this isn’t a gardisil thread. Its a thread on how Perry sought to use govt power to force people to buy a product. (sound familiar)

Something even he admits was a mistake.


190 posted on 09/13/2011 3:23:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ncalburt

A year ago, I was strongly thinking about supporting Bachman. Man am I embarrassed.


191 posted on 09/13/2011 3:27:19 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Sonny M

“I think its safe to say, that that is simply not true (or at least one hell of an exaggeration). “

So sorry -

4,000 Americans die every year from all types of HPV using CDC numbers.

4,000 out of 330 million or so of us. That is a very low death rate.

How many girls died from the vaccine? Primarily from blood clots as a reaction to one of the three shots. A higher percentage than those that died from the cancers. The numbers are even worse when you consider this expensive drug only a few varieties of HPV.


192 posted on 09/13/2011 3:29:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
Palin's not perfect either. Here is one of my favorite stats:

No. of oil windfall profits tax enacted as governor:

Palin- 1

Perry-0

193 posted on 09/13/2011 3:34:20 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: TexMom7

I said higher death rate. Please read carefully mom. that means a higher percentage of those that take the vaccine die than the percentage of those than die from the cancer.

Cancer caused by HPV is easily detected and prevented with simple and inexpensive tests. Tests which people must still have if they are sexually active. Ya see approximately 50% of the population has HPV which causes the cancer. Once they have it they can spread it to anyone they sleep with.

The vaccine Perry helped to push only treats a small number of the types of HPV and the vaccine only provides protection for 4-5 years. Meanwhile the promiscuous are still spreading the disease.

The real issue isn’t the death rate of the vaccine. Its that Perry used the govt’s power to force this drug on people.


194 posted on 09/13/2011 3:37:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: no dems
Rick always seems nervous and unsure when he answers a question.
Which alternate universe is yours?
195 posted on 09/13/2011 3:40:36 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: DRey
It has to be administered before the girl becomes infected. The sad truth is that most people with cervical cancer are having sex before age 18. It needs to be done early. As for 12-year-olds getting cervical cancer, that question is irrelevant. The question is how many 12-year-old girls grow up to get cervical cancer. The answer is around 12,000 per year in America.

I have a coworker who's 21 year old daughter was just diagnosed with cervical cancer. It's absolutely devastated her and her family.
196 posted on 09/13/2011 3:42:11 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
-- At least there was an opt-out provision for the Guardisil. All other vaccines are mandatory. --

Texas law permits a person to decline "mandatory" immunizations for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief. Texas Statutes - Section 42.043: RULES FOR IMMUNIZATIONS.

197 posted on 09/13/2011 3:42:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Paperdoll

A chime in from the Mitt-lover.


198 posted on 09/13/2011 3:48:08 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: CodeToad
A parent had to beg to get released from it.
Your ignorance and bias is showing.
199 posted on 09/13/2011 3:53:40 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: comebacknewt
-- I now honestly think we are going to successfully destroy ALL of our candidates and hand the election to Hussein on a silver platter. --

The general election is a long way off, and the perspective will be very different then. The lesser of two evils is most likely going to be a GOP candidate, in most states.

200 posted on 09/13/2011 3:56:00 AM PDT by Cboldt
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