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Calling Obama's Bluff by Passing ALL His Proposed Tax Increases Effective Immediately (Vanity)
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Posted on 09/19/2011 8:18:26 AM PDT by indianrightwinger

How about the House passing his tax increase plan in TOTO right away and make all effective immediately and the dare the Senate to pass it? If the Senate takes up on the measure and passes it (which they won't), there are two fatal scenarios for Obama: 1) sign and crash the economy further and 2) veto and reveal how awful his economic prescriptions are.

If the Senate does not take up the measure, then it will be proven for all to see how stupid Obama's ideas are that even Dummycrats won't go for them.

Thoughts?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: millionaires; obama; rich; taxes

1 posted on 09/19/2011 8:18:30 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

How about we don’t play games and we vote for what we believe in.


2 posted on 09/19/2011 8:20:20 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: indianrightwinger

Not a totally awful albeit cynical idea, FR would errupt and could backfire bigtime. I am of the mind getting rid of Obama is job #1, it’s that improtant, more important than even the economy.


3 posted on 09/19/2011 8:21:39 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: indianrightwinger

Believing his goal IS to crash the economy and end capitalism, I wouldn’t pass it and give him the chance to sign it.


4 posted on 09/19/2011 8:22:13 AM PDT by OrioleFan (rty)
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To: indianrightwinger

Not a bad idea. What would he use to bash Republicans in his campaign?


5 posted on 09/19/2011 8:22:23 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: indianrightwinger

These tax increases along with all the taxes in obamacare would totally shut down the economy.


6 posted on 09/19/2011 8:23:04 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: OrioleFan

One thing you’ll never get a politician to do, especially a leftist politician,

is to state exactly “how much” spending is required to revive the economy, and exactly how we can measure that.


7 posted on 09/19/2011 8:24:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: indianrightwinger

I agree with Obama. It is not “fair” that Buffet pays a higher rate than his secretary...

...We should cut HER taxes to 15% and make them permanent. We should then adjust government programs based upon THAT amount of revenue.

We know if you want more of something, cut the cost.


8 posted on 09/19/2011 8:26:01 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over. Although, I am getting tired...)
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To: indianrightwinger

I’m in

send buffet an army of IRS auditors
screw the corporate jet industry (how’s that workin’ for Nevada tourism)
impose mandartory double withholding on all theose hedge fund traders in NY and New Jersey
(Schumer and Lautenberg’s people)


9 posted on 09/19/2011 8:26:31 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: indianrightwinger

I wonder why he isn’t going after the liberal trust babies? ;-)


10 posted on 09/19/2011 8:28:54 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: indianrightwinger
I know it's far more complicated than that, but somewhere in the back of my mind I'm with you 100%. There would be a huge challenge with the messaging, Conservatives would be outraged unless the message was right — we are doing this because we have no option, we can't even get a bill read in the senate, we haven't had a budget out of the White House since Obama took office. Too many people are only hearing tweaks of information, let's give them a big blow. It won't/can't happen but I like dreaming that we put the failure where it belongs vs. the current message of obstruction by the Conservatives in our Government.
11 posted on 09/19/2011 8:31:17 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Not a bad idea. What would he use to bash Republicans in his campaign?

He'd just propose even higher taxes and continue with the same tax the rich, class warfare campaign. Should we then pass his next set of loony ideas to?

Hussein is not putting forth real plans. He knows they will not pass. He now recognizes the economy is going to be terrible right up till election day 2012 and has decided to effectively act as if none of his agenda to create jobs has ever passed. He's pivoted from "things are getting better" to "things can only get better if you pass my tax hikes and stimulus plans" We are back to early 2009 when he proposed Porkulus in the first place.

I'd say the Republicans in the House should give him the payroll tax cuts and a few of the small business tax breaks. None will help the economy much, but at least it helps starve the beast and gives the appearance that the GOP is reasonable and wants to "work with the President".

12 posted on 09/19/2011 8:31:26 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: indianrightwinger
Good Idea.
Call his bluff.
No matter what he then can't blame Republicans. . . . .
13 posted on 09/19/2011 8:34:00 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . ASA. . . . .)
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To: indianrightwinger
Stupid idea. Bad law must be killed before it passes any legislative hurdle. The asinine McCain/Feingold bill was allowed to go forward with many believing the courts would strike it down. That crappy law is still on the books. It will take generations of expensive litigation to eliminate it...assuming that can ever be accomplished.
14 posted on 09/19/2011 8:34:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Not a bad idea. What would he use to bash Republicans in his campaign?

He wouldn't have to do anything. They would be voted out for betraying their constituents.

15 posted on 09/19/2011 8:35:06 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Voter#537
Good Idea. Call his bluff. No matter what he then can't blame Republicans. . . . .

Not a good idea. The Mainstream Press would just blame the Republicans for breaking their pledge.

Don't forget, the Mainstream media wants socialism and will do and say anything to promote it. Including false witness.

16 posted on 09/19/2011 8:36:34 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: indianrightwinger

I was thinking the same thing. Why don’t his tax increases go into effect until AFTER 2012? epublican’s should call the coward’s bluff.


17 posted on 09/19/2011 8:36:36 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: indianrightwinger
That is how the "Anti-Dog-eat-Dog Act" was passed in "Atlas Shrugged".

And you know what happened then.

18 posted on 09/19/2011 8:39:36 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Average Al

They are ponying up $36,000 per person to have dinner with him tonight in NYC


19 posted on 09/19/2011 8:44:22 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: MrB

[ One thing you’ll never get a politician to do, especially a leftist politician,is to state exactly “how much” spending is required to revive the economy, and exactly how we can measure that. ]

Another thing you could never get is to get a leftist politician to agree on is a fundemental cap on a tax percentage. Or what limit on total percentage of the GDP there should be used to run a governemnt.

I think there should be a Hard Constitutional Cap on any tax to be something like 15% if not 10%.


20 posted on 09/19/2011 8:45:41 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Night Hides Not

hedge fund traders and many corporate jet owners are obama constituents. I believe the accelerated corporate jet depreciation that so annoys Barry was a biptartisan or democrat earmark in the last stimulus bill

Besides, what’s Trump et al gonna do? vote for Barry?


21 posted on 09/19/2011 8:48:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: vg0va3

1. Cut the total income tax rate to 5%, eliminate ALL loopholes and make ALL income taxable.

2. Enforce the damn tax code!

3. Make everyone have some skin the game concerning taxes by eliminating all tax exemptions/credits.

4. Watch the libbies squeal.

I wouldn’t mind paying 5% income tax on all income if everyone else was, from the minimum wage worker to Warren Buffet Himself.

Oh, and make it so that creating tax shelters overseas is illegal too. I would love to see 90% unemployment for financial planners and tax advisors that work for liberal millionaires and billionaires.


22 posted on 09/19/2011 8:51:18 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: indianrightwinger

Be sure to hold the vote while the stock market is open and watch the market crash as the vote approaches majority.


23 posted on 09/19/2011 8:56:58 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Voter#537

“Good Idea. Call his bluff. No matter what he then can’t blame Republicans. . . “

Of course he could...and would.


24 posted on 09/19/2011 8:59:26 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: indianrightwinger; hlmencken3

“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
- H. L. Mencken


25 posted on 09/19/2011 8:59:40 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: indianrightwinger

It’s tempting. He gets his paltry $0.035T increase in annual revenue and $0.150T in already-absorbed “cuts*”, then has to deal with the remaining $1.400T deficit. To wit: “fine, you get what you want, you reduced the deficit by 10%, now what about the remaining 90% which can’t wait 10 years to resolve?”

(* - Medicare/cade reductions are just an already-planned transfer to Obamacare, and military reductions are already underway. There’s no “cuts” here that weren’t already in place.)

But ... we can’t go there. We have to stand and fight it. Calling bluff on someone who is always bluffing and has nothing to lose destroys you. You can’t fix stupid by pointing out “fine, we tried it, it didn’t work” when there’s always another stupid plan to try.

THIS is the problem with the Right wing: we keep trying to reason with the Left, keep giving in to reach “see? it didn’t work”, when they don’t care about reason and success, only implementation of their latest whim. Giving them what they want does not dissuade them from asking again.


26 posted on 09/19/2011 9:00:48 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: indianrightwinger

I believe that was the rationale when campaign finance reform passed.

But the president will veto it.

But the Supreme Court will knock it down.

But, but, but!

And the rationale when Obama was elected. Now there will be no more excuses for screaming racism.

And the rationale when we shared power in the Senate.

And we get stuck with more stupid policies that further destroy us.


27 posted on 09/19/2011 9:06:41 AM PDT by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: GraceG

Love IT!


28 posted on 09/19/2011 9:18:54 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over. Although, I am getting tired...)
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To: indianrightwinger
That sounds like you are suggesting destroying ourselves to teach them a lesson.
You say they won't pass it because it is unwise if you want the country to survive. Maybe they are trying to destroy it in order to rebuild it according to their ideals.
29 posted on 09/19/2011 9:42:19 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Obama is a one trick phony (wealth distribution).)
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To: indianrightwinger

You could not possibly have thought this through. Can’t you just see this? The REPUBLICAN House passes enough new taxes to destroy this country once and for all. THEN, the DEMOCRAT senate accuses them of trying to destroy the country and refuses to take it up. The DEMOCRATS get all the credit for “saving” us poor tax payers an small businesses, and the Pubbies are OUT OF THERE in a tidal wave of anger. And if you think that isn’t exactly how they would frame it, you are nuts.


30 posted on 09/19/2011 10:02:19 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: indianrightwinger

some of the GOP members might have this crazy little hang-up though about being responsible or something


31 posted on 09/19/2011 10:03:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: indianrightwinger

Cynical politics to do the wrong thing will bite you in the butt.

Clearly, Obama thinks he’s clever. “Pass my bill or else!”
We do nothing, he has his bash-the-rich campaign.
We help him, and he will blame Republicans for not doing something else and being co-enablers of the bad economy.

Better to sit back and say “Fine, you want it ... PASS IT IN THE SENATE FIRST.”

Let the DEMOCRATS vote for jobkilling higher taxes. NOT US.


32 posted on 09/19/2011 10:03:40 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: indianrightwinger
Slightly more dangerous than the thought I had when he addressed the Joint Session of Congress. (I thought maybe the Republicans should cheer raucously at every other sentence. It would have been great theater!)

ML/NJ

33 posted on 09/19/2011 10:19:52 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Longbow1969
Hussein is not putting forth real plans. He knows they will not pass. He now recognizes the economy is going to be terrible right up till election day 2012 and has decided to effectively act as if none of his agenda to create jobs has ever passed.

You've nailed it EXACTLY.

Obama is doubling down on his failed policies, catering to his base by demanding policies even a Democrat Congress wouldnt pass, and proposing bills he know wont pass.

This is all campaign election gimmicks nothing more. Not a solution not even an attempt to reach common ground.His proposals would be deadly to the economy and move us further in the socialistic direction. But since they wont pass, what Obama will campaign on is "those mean Republicans didnt let me save the economy by taxing the rich" his base will eat it up.

But I think everyone else will see through the chicanery.

34 posted on 09/19/2011 10:44:48 AM PDT by WOSG
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