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Rick Perry leads Mitt Romney in South Carolina
Politico ^ | Sept 20, 2011 | Juana Summers

Posted on 09/20/2011 6:46:45 AM PDT by Clairity

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a slim lead on former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in the latest Winthrop Poll of South Carolina voters.

The poll, taken last week, shows Perry with 29.8 percent support from Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, to Romney's 26.6 percent. No other candidate is in the double digits.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: perry; perry2012; romney; sc2012
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It's pretty clear, it's going to be Perry or Romney. If the conservative votes continue to be split among the several other candidates, who have no chance of winning the nomination, Romney may squeak by and get the nomination. This is something to think about for conservatives -- do you want Romney to be the GOP nominee, who will then be beaten by Obama?
1 posted on 09/20/2011 6:46:53 AM PDT by Clairity
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To: shield

Perry ping


2 posted on 09/20/2011 6:47:23 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

For anyone that believes Rick Perry or Mitt Romney have the intentions, personal courage or respect for our Constitution to radically challenge the Democrat, Republican & Media Parties, by taking the “extreme” steps that MUST occur to save America, I have some land about 30 miles due south of Pensacola, Florida to sell you. Both Perry & Romney are pretend Tea Party, “go along to get along” politicians that will ensure America’s collapse if elected in 2012.


3 posted on 09/20/2011 6:49:12 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: Clairity

Agree with what you are saying, but I think Perry and Romney have an equal chance of beating Obama. Presidential elections are always about the incumbent.


4 posted on 09/20/2011 6:50:05 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Clairity

Looks like you agree.

It is time for a conservative to enter the race.


5 posted on 09/20/2011 6:50:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Clairity

You are spot on.

One of the reasons McCain got in was a split vote.

If you look at the votes for Bachmann, Cain, and Perry, they clearly outweigh RINO Romney together.

My first choice was Bachmann, but as it is now, I will vote for Perry as he is FAR better than Romney.


6 posted on 09/20/2011 6:50:50 AM PDT by ZULU (ANYBODY but Obama)
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To: Clairity
If the conservative votes continue to be split among the several other candidates, who have no chance of winning the nomination, Romney may squeak by and get the nomination.

More and more I get the impression that MB is Romney's 'conservative' stalking horse. McCain had Gov Huckleberry, Romney has Bachmann.

7 posted on 09/20/2011 6:50:56 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Tulane
-- Presidential elections are always about the incumbent. --

Moreso in second-term presidential elections, where the incumbent may actually be running.

8 posted on 09/20/2011 6:52:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Clairity

wow ... the last South Carolina poll had the race at

Perry 36%
Romney 13%

It’s scary as heck that Romney is even remotely close to Perry in South Carolina.


9 posted on 09/20/2011 6:52:52 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: RobaWho

For anyone that believes Rick Perry or Mitt Romney have the intentions, personal courage or respect for our Constitution to radically challenge the Democrat, Republican & Media Parties, by taking the “extreme” steps that MUST occur to save America, I have some land about 30 miles due south of Pensacola, Florida to sell you. Both Perry & Romney are pretend Tea Party, “go along to get along” politicians that will ensure America’s collapse if elected in 2012.
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They are light years better than Obama. A politician, by definition, will do things that will make a conservative scratch his head. Sitting home will not only re-elect The Zero, it will also cost us in the house and senate, just like it did in 2008. Want to give Zero another filibuster proof senate? What’s the worst that could happen?


10 posted on 09/20/2011 6:53:17 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: RobaWho

Who is your man, then? Not saying I disagree, just wondering...


11 posted on 09/20/2011 6:53:28 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: RobaWho

Go troll somewhere else.


12 posted on 09/20/2011 6:55:22 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Clairity

Getting tired of these The politicos polls on the GOP side.

I’d like to see a poll wherein (.)bama is measured against some democrap potential threat. I’d love to see one in NY where it says Hitlery has a lead on the incombent incompetent. Or Nader leads in California.


13 posted on 09/20/2011 6:55:55 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

14 posted on 09/20/2011 7:06:57 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: RobaWho

No one but Paul would do anything drastic (and Pauls a nut).

Perry is more conservative than Bush, and that’s as good as were going to get at the moment.

If I were to list in order of conservative beliefs the Presidents of my lifetime from most liberal to most conservative:

most liberal

Obama
Carter
Ford
Clinton
Nixon
George HW Bush
George W Bush
Reagan

most conservative

If I were to add Perry and Romney along with the Republican losers of the past to the list, this is what it would look like.

Obama
Carter
Ford
Clinton
Romney
McCain
Nixon
Dole
George HW Bush
George W Bush
Perry
Reagan


15 posted on 09/20/2011 7:10:52 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: Tulane

Perry or Romney or “Sit Home” are not the only three options. Being better than Obama is your standard? Wow, my english bulldog is more qualified than Obama. One, only one leader, proven, vetted, wildly popular and courageous as hell could beat Mr. ObamneyCare & Merck’s top Texas salesman with half her brain tied behind her back - Governor Sarah Palin.


16 posted on 09/20/2011 7:14:17 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: RobaWho

So you think the American electorate will elect an extremist? Even Obama isn’t an extremist, he’s a limp wristed socialist. More importantly the limp wristed socialist ran as a moderate/left candidate.

I don’t know who you support but I suspect you are seeing something in your candidate that isn’t there.


17 posted on 09/20/2011 7:17:31 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: pgkdan

You looking for national salvation from these faux-conservatives is like Obama looking for honor within his administration. If you are so clueless to think an establishment hack, one being “far less bad” than the Marxist in our White House is an adequate selection for restoring constitutional honor in America, after 30 years of anti-Reagan progressive-light policies from the republican ruling-class - you need to have your head examined. Perhaps you should go and troll all by yourself.


18 posted on 09/20/2011 7:20:16 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: RobaWho

4 more years of obama seems to now be your choice...


19 posted on 09/20/2011 7:20:23 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: rokkitapps

Governor Sarah Palin - She will electrify the race, she will get in and she will become our next President. She is a providential leaders, skilled, vetted and proven to have the executive smarts and common sense that our nations craves. Thanks for asking!


20 posted on 09/20/2011 7:22:38 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: rokkitapps

Governor Sarah Palin - She will electrify the race, she will get in and she will become our next President. She is a providential leader, skilled, vetted and proven to have the executive smarts and common sense that our nations craves. Thanks for asking!


21 posted on 09/20/2011 7:22:50 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: RobaWho
"with half her brain tied behind her back - Governor Sarah Palin.

Oh, I suspected as much but didn't want to jump the gun. Well, it is true that nobody knows more about limiting the use of their brains than Palin Worshipers.

22 posted on 09/20/2011 7:24:53 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: Clairity

Very close call. That makes sense to me. It IS a close call between these two clowns.


23 posted on 09/20/2011 7:25:57 AM PDT by Huck (If you are in a union, then bow to your COMMIE masters.)
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To: Artemis Webb

If you define “extreme” as the only Governor in the history of the Gallup polling company’s 75 year history to earn back to back statewide popularity above 80% - the highest rated Governor in US history, then yeah - I do support an extremist.

One, only one leader, proven, vetted, wildly popular and courageous as hell could beat Mr. ObamneyCare & Merck’s top Texas salesman with half her brain tied behind her back - Governor Sarah Palin.


24 posted on 09/20/2011 7:27:55 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: shield

Wow - throw me in the shallow water before it gets too deep. With intellect like this and such brilliant commentary, it’s virtually impossible to hold a candle to your debating skills.


25 posted on 09/20/2011 7:30:40 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: RobaWho

Okay, just out of curiosity, please give some examples of “extreme” things you expect a “President Palin” would do.


26 posted on 09/20/2011 7:36:11 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: Artemis Webb

Could you please post a photo of Perry in his Texas A&M cheerleader outfit for us - he’s a real man’s man - perfect hair, zero private sector business experience, Al Gore’s 200 campaign manager, chasing little girls around with government needles, “securing our border” from radicals & illegals free entry, subsidizing college tuition for illegals that can’t be legally hired after receiving their tax payer subsidized college education and increasing Texas state debt by $4 Billion during his terms in office. The guy that only won re election because Governor Plain saved his bacon from the fire? The same Texas Governor that swore before God & every Texan he would fully serve his entire term as Governor, then turned his back on his pledge before God? Go get ‘em, sport!


27 posted on 09/20/2011 7:38:32 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: RobaWho

Well, there are going to be two choices which is Mittens OR Perry....you said I’ll stay home...by that statement you’ve helped to re-elect obama.


28 posted on 09/20/2011 7:38:51 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Clairity

This will all change once SARAH! gets in the race. When she gets in, she’ll grab up 97% of the vote, and if this doesn’t happen, then South Carolina is full of RINOs who have Palin Derangement Syndrome.


29 posted on 09/20/2011 7:45:52 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Diogenesis
Perry 29.8%
Romney 26.6%

It’s scary as heck that Romney is even remotely close to Perry in South Carolina.

Unfortunately, the ultra secret plan of Dio, in reality I fear a "Trojan horse" for Romney, is working.

30 posted on 09/20/2011 7:45:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: RobaWho

You have a teensy, weensy, wittle problem—Palin isn’t running. Now it’s time to deal in reality.


31 posted on 09/20/2011 7:46:40 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Artemis Webb; RobaWho
Okay, just out of curiosity, please give some examples of “extreme” things you expect a “President Palin” would do.

Shoot them all from a helicopter, like they were so many moose?

32 posted on 09/20/2011 7:48:33 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: RobaWho
Governor Sarah Palin - She will electrify the race, she will get in and she will become our next President. She is a providential leader, skilled, vetted and proven to have the executive smarts and common sense that our nations craves. Thanks for asking!

/yawn

She's not a candidate and she's not running. And if she did surprise everyone and run, her negatives are so high that I doubt she'd even do well in the GOP primaries. Most polls show Republicans don't even want her to run anymore.

33 posted on 09/20/2011 7:49:00 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: RobaWho

YOU said on post #3 that Sarah Palin would do “extreme things”. Maybe you can get me to see your way here. I’d just like an example or two of what “extreme things” you expect. Or are you simply blowing hot air?


34 posted on 09/20/2011 7:49:35 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: pgkdan

I’m starting to think you’re right.


35 posted on 09/20/2011 7:50:54 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Artemis Webb

1 - Ethics reform with teeth - tough prosecution of crony capitalism felons (AK)
2 - 35% cut in federal spending across the board in most agencies
3 - Elimination of NEA, Dept. of Energy, EPA, Dept. of Commerce, others
4 - Authorize all forms of domestic energy exploration & production
5 - Reduce corporate taxes & capital gains to Zero
6 - Elimination of 100% of all corporate tax breaks
7 - Flat or Fair tax that radically lowers all rates & simplifies the Tax Code
8 - Adopt a great deal of the Ryan Plan
9 - Repeal ObamaCare
10 - Repeal Dodd-Frank
11 - Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley
12 - Secure our entire national border with troops, walls & technology
13 - Enforce all immigration laws currently on the books.
14 - Adopt Jim DeMint’s Cut, Cap & Balance amendment
15 - Give our nation’s military top priority & funding.

All this would happen in year one, and then she’d get serious.


36 posted on 09/20/2011 7:55:36 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If I were to modify your list, I’d add Palin to your list including Perry and Romney along with the Republican losers of the past to the list, this is what it would look like.

Obama
Carter
Ford
Clinton
Romney
McCain
Nixon
Dole
George HW Bush
George W Bush
Perry
*
*
*
Reagan
Palin (She will have been served up more opportunity for greatness from Obama than Reagan actually received from Carter.)


37 posted on 09/20/2011 7:58:58 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: RobaWho

Well, I think your expectations are insanely unrealistic but you took a good deal of your time to answer the question and I do appreciate that.


38 posted on 09/20/2011 7:59:05 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: pgkdan
M. Bachmann has always been a sold conservative. There is no perfect candidate, and one may disagree with some of her views. But many of the attacks on her on FR, of all places, have been false and unfair. She made good points on Leno and more than held her own.

R. Perry scares me. His views on immigration and amnesty are far too left-wing. Him accepting money from Merck and then pushing for the vaccination can become a huge issue because of the media bias in favor of B. Obama.

39 posted on 09/20/2011 8:00:15 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: RobaWho
You looking for national salvation from these faux-conservatives is like Obama looking for honor within his administration. If you are so clueless to think an establishment hack, one being “far less bad” than the Marxist in our White House is an adequate selection for restoring constitutional honor in America, after 30 years of anti-Reagan progressive-light policies from the republican ruling-class - you need to have your head examined.

Keep repeating the following: Reagan never granted amnesty to illegals.....Reagan never signed budgets with deficits.....Reagan never raised taxes.

Then tell yourself that constitutional order can be restored in one term.

If you keep repeating the above, you can stay in your Neverland Dream

40 posted on 09/20/2011 8:00:35 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: RobaWho
All this would happen in year one, and then she’d get serious.

Considering that most Presidents get 1 to 3 items on their agenda enacted, your ideas should be a book......call it Dreams of My Candidate

41 posted on 09/20/2011 8:04:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: RobaWho

Your list depends on actions by Congress.

Other than RINOs Romney and Huntsman, name one GOP presidential candidate who would veto any of the items you listed if Congress passed such legislation.

That’s the problem with Palinphilia. The Tea Party message no longer needs her as the messenger because most of the GOP candidates would have the same agenda if elected and backed by a Republican-controlled Congress.


42 posted on 09/20/2011 8:04:17 AM PDT by peyton randolph (B. Hussein Obama solved Bush's "problem" of a AAA credit rating)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I agree with your list--for the most part--but Ford was never close to being as liberal as Clinton.
A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...."
- Gerald R. Ford
Ford was a right-of-center moderate and made no pretensions otherwise, but he was never a liberal and he was probable more conservative than Nixon.

Bill Clinton is, was and always has been a liberal. The only difference between him and Obama is that he was smart enough to see when he had been out maneuvered and to co-opt the Republican agenda when it was politically advantageous.
43 posted on 09/20/2011 8:06:33 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: shield

You must have misread something, because I never said I’d stay home, and luckily I won’t need to as I’ve been working tirelessly on behalf of Gov. Palin. When she get’s in, my prayer and belief is your only option will be Obama or Palin. Palin was responsible for McCain’s 47% vote share. If not for her, McCain would have maybe received 40%. So, in 2012, Our voter “floor” is 47% - now begin to ADD all the Dems, liberals, youth, Jews, independents, women that have flocked away from Obama (See NY-9), and subtract all the youth, blacks, Dems, Women, Indies, illegals, hispanics and Linerals that simply will not show up to vote for Obama - 2012 is “Game over” for Obama - IF Conservatives will act like Conservatives, be Actual Conservatives and Nominate an Actual Conservative (see NY-9), America will have a chance to be saved.


44 posted on 09/20/2011 8:09:31 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: Artemis Webb

If one receives a massive “mandate” from the voters, and your party controls 60 or more Senate seats, picks up 30 or 40 additional house seats and you win the Presidency in 2012 with a 65% to 35%, or 60% to 40% margin, I’d call that a HUGE MANDATE, wouldn’t you? Howe many people would have said Reagan could cut federal taxes from 78% to 28%?


45 posted on 09/20/2011 8:14:41 AM PDT by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: Clairity
It is indeed going to be Perry or Romney, and it isn't going to be Romney. I have a better chance of winning SC than Romney does and if he can't compete in SC, he can't win the nomination. Every election cycle it's the same. Polls with ridiculous results claim an absurd amount of attention. People believe that McCain or Romney or some other progressive can win in SC. The media pumps a horse race where none exists. In the end, everyone who relies on the legacy media for information is taken aback when something utterly predictable happens.

Perry will win Iowa and SC comfortably. NH will be close. Perry will be the presumptive nominee before FL votes. Romney's toast and, for better or for worse, we're stuck with Perry.

Palin entering the race wouldn't change anything substantial. She would probably accelerate Romney's inevitable collapse. He would quickly be running third in a three person race and his moderate support would gravitate to Perry as the only realistic alternative to Palin.

Fair or not, most Republicans of all stripes see Palin as a high risk nominee who doesn't offer enough rewards to justify the risks. Perry would beat her handily in IA and SC. With Palin in the race Mitt probably couldn't even win NH. If Perry wins IA and NH, he'll be the de facto nominee before any other votes are counted.

Any way I game this out, barring some dramatic event like a sexting scandal a la Weiner, Perry wins. That's disappointing for those of us who had our hearts set on someone better qualified to nullify Obama and set our ailing nation right. But sensible people don't ignore reality just because it's disappointing. “Fed Up!” offers us some hope that Perry will be equal to the task that's waiting for him at the far end of the campaign. Conservatives should read it and keep hope alive.

The alternative is waiting for a Palin announcement like cultists on a rooftop watching for the end of the world. Palin probably isn't running and even if she is it won't change the outcome. The cards are dealt. There's not much percentage in pining for a better hand. We've got to play the hand we've got. Folding isn't an option.

46 posted on 09/20/2011 8:14:54 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Who died and made the Supreme Court God?)
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To: RobaWho
You have NO clue what the YELL LEADERS of Texas A & M especially when Perry was there are like. They are real men...not some pansy arse men who came out of other colleges in his day.

The Al Gore bs was just that bs...it has been proven that he never was chair for him in Texas NEVER. IF there is anything negative you can find even lies you go for it. This came right straight out of the libtards agenda...a big fat lie...

The other garbage is nothing but more bias bs...left wing bias bs...you bit hook, line, and sinker....poor ole' misguided being.

47 posted on 09/20/2011 8:16:32 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Tulane

Romney would have a bit more trouble motivating the base, but would fare better in the upper Midwest, Northeast, and states like PA and NV.

Perry, however, would be stronger in VA, NC, and probably CO, and NM, as well as Iowa.

Both would do equally well in Ohio and Florida, IMHO.


48 posted on 09/20/2011 8:17:52 AM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: RobaWho

Perry or Romney or “Sit Home” are not the only three options. Being better than Obama is your standard? Wow, my english bulldog is more qualified than Obama. One, only one leader, proven, vetted, wildly popular and courageous as hell could beat Mr. ObamneyCare & Merck’s top Texas salesman with half her brain tied behind her back - Governor Sarah Palin.
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Yes, I would vote for your Bulldog over Obama.

When Palin gets in, she will be an instant contender. I honestly don’t think she is running, though — I could be wrong, but I just don’t see it.


49 posted on 09/20/2011 8:18:17 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Agree with 99%...though if we are only talking domestic issues, I’d move Nixon below Clinton...


50 posted on 09/20/2011 8:20:12 AM PDT by Tulane
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