Posted on 09/20/2011 6:46:45 AM PDT by Clairity
Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a slim lead on former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in the latest Winthrop Poll of South Carolina voters.
The poll, taken last week, shows Perry with 29.8 percent support from Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, to Romney's 26.6 percent. No other candidate is in the double digits.
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Where to start, Fluffdaddy - Here goes.
1 - 80% of the raw energy, power and passion in the Republican primary rests with “Tea Party” conservatism - a profound conservatism that represents fiscal sanity, anti-beltway, constitutional originalism. The Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio & Rand Paul types are what is now “in vogue” with real conservatives and the American people at large. 2010 was the year of the Tea Party and 2012 will generate an even larger victory for the Tea Party.
2 - The “80% profile” of the ideal Tea Party candidate would be represented by some blend of a Palin-Cain-Bachman-Paul profile. A strong, clear, principled, proven conservative that is POPULAR with Tea party activists.
3 - The “20% profile” of the ideal crony-insider, RINO party candidate is represented by Romney, Huntsman, Gingrich — and Perry. Even though the media devotes 80% of their coverage and focus to the 20% RINO group, the heart and sole of the Tea Party conservative movement does NOT lie with these four candidates.
4 - Perry is NOT a Tea Party darling, regardless of what the lame stream media is trying to tell Americans. Romney is NOT a Tea Party darling, and no one is even trying to convince you of this fact. So, how is it that two candidates with little to ZERO “Tea Party credibility” are the front runners for 2012, when their actual profiles don’t match the desires of the Tea Party movement?
5 - Among the Tea Party candidates - Palin (16%)-Bachman (7%)-Cain (5%)-Paul (12%) group of voters, this represents approx. 40% of Republican primary voters. For fun, let’s call Romney a “Tea Party reject” and divide his 26% supposed support in half, allocating 13% of his fan base to Perry and 13% to Palin. When Palin emerges as the last Tea Party candidate standing after Bachman-Cain-Paul drop out, let’s add 40% & 13% and Palin now stands at 53%.
7 - In a head to head contest - Perry vs. Palin - look at her actual record of government leadership, job creation, fiscal sanity, ethics reform, debt reduction, earmark vetoes, bi-partisan accomplishments, taking on Exxon & Big Oil in our own state, ACES and beating Crony-Capitalsim everywhere within her party and her entire state (Rick Perry is grossly checkered with dozens of examples of “pay to play” contributions leading to policy scandals).
8 - Funny that Jim DeMint and Donald Trump can’t seem to find an actual candidate to endorse at this point in time, huh? What will be your argument when Jim DeMint endorses Palin? Will he be called a “dreamland” Palinista nut job, too?
9 - There is one, only one, “Tea Party” candidate with proven credentials, executive leadership skills, authenticity - one that has been totally vetted and hugely popular among the 80% driving force within the Tea Party.
10 - Want to know which person the Dems, Libs, Media & RINOs truly fear the most? Watch who they attack the most. The anti-Tea Party establishment has picked our candidate for us - they always do. Governor Palin is the candidate the ruling class in Washington & New York & Hollywood fear the absolute most.
Sleep it off, sporto. You have overdosed on lib-media, RINO groupthink & a PDS cocktail. Hope you feel better, soon. Cuddle safely under your RINO-Perry blankie & “Hope for Change” in 2013 with Merck’s Texas Cheerleader. Was Perry against amnesty before he was “really” against amnesty?
A- She will Run, and she will Win.
Your analytical skills of the obvious facts before us makes me think you might not be able to do a better job than Obama - -:)
Mozilla, I couldn’t have summed up your sentiments and better!
“..it’s the lesser of two evils thing again. Which only angers me. Sorry.”
We deserve better and can do better. Palin is the candidate that offers us an escape from the “lesser of two evils” option.
She will start the 2102 campaign with a FLOOR of 47% (the group that voted for her in 2008) and will be aided by the “disgust factor” that Obama has generated among liberals, democrats, Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, Indies, etc. Obama’s turnout will be in the toilet in 2012. If Palin simply gains 3 Million new voters, in addition to the 47% she received in 2008, she wins. America wins. just like NY-9 fell after 92 years of democrat rule, Palin will crash the glass ceiling and become our next President as the only Tea Party candidate in the race.
Enthusiasm is great to have. It's necessary to a successful candidate, but not even close to sufficient. Palin can call on some enthusiastic supporters (you might be one — I can't tell for sure). That and five bucks will pay for a nice break at Starbucks.
Palin has many fewer enthusiasts now than she did a few months ago. She's been bleeding support steadily as the parade passes her by. I very much doubt she could roll out a serious campaign now if she wanted to, and I very much doubt she wants to.
She has no big-time financial support network. Small donations from enthusiasts only take you so far and the whole “crony capitalism” schtick will be a serious impediment to conventional fund raising. It will also be an embarrassment waiting to happen. If she hits the big leagues she'll have to scramble for the big bucks along with everyone else, opening her up to a stinging charge of hypocrisy.
Perry has the big-time operation it takes to win. Oddly, you seem to think that's disqualifying. Perry is a mainstream politician who currently holds an important executive position. He is as conservative and sympathetic to the Tea Party as mainstream politicians get in the U.S. He isn't easily caricatured as a kook and there are precious few Republicans who will see him as unelectable.
By contrast, a clear majority wouldn't dare choose Palin. If her only competition were Romney, she might pull it off. Against Rick Perry — no way. Which is why she almost certainly won't try.
Those are the political realities. Rage all you want against the cruel universe — it won't change facts. Perry is what we've got to work with and so, we'll have to work with him.
What obvious facts? The fact that Palin has no organization, trails Obama by 15 - 20 pts, and barely places third in primary polls she is included in?
I believe she’ll announce this week, perhaps this Friday? Pure speculation, but she will most likely announce before the end of September. My guess is this Friday.
She will start the 2102 campaign with a FLOOR of 47% (the group that voted for her in 2008) and will be aided by the “disgust factor” that Obama has generated among liberals, democrats, Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, Indies, etc. Obama’s turnout will be in the toilet in 2012. If Palin simply gains 3 Million new voters, in addition to the 47% she received in 2008, she wins. America wins. Just like NY-9 fell after 92 years of democrat rule, Palin will crash the glass ceiling and become our next President as the only authentic Tea Party candidate in the race.
This isn’t a pipe dream or fantasy, this is reality. Why would ANY conservative with an open mind, one that has spent any time to examine Gov. Palin’s actual record of leadership and accomplishment, believe she wouldn’t start the 2012 campaign with a minimum support base of 47% - the very same 47% that voted for her (not McCain) in 2008? The Media, Libs, RINOs & Dems all know this to be true. They use reverse psychology when they claim “We hope Palin runs.”
He's history. All washed up. Jumped the shark. Unelectable!
She will be the game-changer (either by running, or not) that's for sure.
There's something a tad disturbing about monomania.
The Winthrop Poll indicates that 42.2% of ALL SC Republican primary voters - a PLURALITY - do NOT support either Romney or Perry. When Palin enters the race, please don’t tell me she won’t take votes away from Perry, Romney, Bachman, Cain, Gingrich, Paul, Huntsman & Santorum. The minute that Palin announces, more than 50% of Republican primary voters will NOT be supporting Romney or Perry. Strong front runners, hardly.
Palin will start the 2102 Presidential campaign with a FLOOR of 47% support (the group that voted for her in 2008) and will be aided by the “disgust factor” that Obama has generated among the unemployed, liberals, democrats, Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, Indies, etc. Obama’s turnout will be in the TOILET in 2012. If Palin simply adds 3 Million new voters to her 2008 base, in addition to the 47% she received in 2008, she wins. America wins. Just like NY-9 fell after 92 years of democrat rule, Palin will crash the glass ceiling and become our next President as the only authentic Tea Party candidate in the race.
This isn’t a pipe dream or fantasy, this is reality. Why would ANY conservative with an open mind, one that has spent any time to examine Gov. Palin’s actual record of leadership and accomplishment, believe she wouldn’t start the 2012 campaign with a minimum support base of 47% - the very same 47% that voted for her (not McCain) in 2008? The Media, Libs, RINOs & Dems all know this to be true. They use reverse psychology when they claim “We hope Palin runs.”
Yep moose hunting season ends today up in the land of the midnight sun so maybe once the hunting gear is cleaned and stowed, the meat processed and set to curing then maybe some interest will be shown in the upcoming political campaign. We’ll see shortly as the drop dead dates are approaching to get on the ballot in some of the states.
A 6% starting point for SC isn’t that bad? Hell it could be wiped out in just a day or two with a tour de Palmetto.
Got it - Romney can go on TV in 2010, swear before God and promise every Texan he will serve his entire third term in office, then turn his back on God and all Texans to run for President in 2012. OK, Perry Lie = “OK” - Palin being blackmailed by lawsuit and bankrupted by 14 bogus lawsuits as a sitting duck in office, force to defend every frivolous lawsuit out her family’s savings, means she’s a “quitter.” She put her family, state and now, in 20/20 hindsight, the best interest of America first. She is the most powerful and influential movement Conservative since Reagan. Perry is a liar, but he doesn’t even qualify to wash Governor Palin’s sweaty socks after she completes a marathon.
“Where your logic goes far afield is here - you believe Perry is a conservative”
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Buzz. Wrong answer. Perry is a populist not a conservative. So is Palin. They both happen to come from conservative/libertarian-leaning states.
But whether Perry or Palin is conservative or communist is irrelevant to what I said.
The agenda items you listed would be signed into law by every GOP candidate except Romney and Huntsman. Regardless of the motive behind such, each would support the items you listed.
I did not analyze Congress so your rant about the RINO congressional critters is irrelevant. If there are enough votes in Congress to pass the legislation, it becomes an issue for the President...unless you’re suggesting that a President Palin would rule by executive order to implement the agenda items you identified. If so, she’d be acting as unconstitutionally as B. Hussein Obama and his czars.
Steal? You’re beyond clueless. These Crony Oil hacks simply purchased these leases with a promise to drill, then lied and dragged their feet for 30 years - they left these oil wells untapped and un-drilled, depriving all AK citizens of their state’s constitutionally endowed natural resources. Palin challenged them to live up to the terms and conditions of their lease agreements, as well as the AK Constitution, and they said “Sue us - we aren’t going to drill.” She beat the Crony Oil crooks - in court - from depriving AK citizens of their state’s natural resources - resources owned by all AK citizens. She reversed a $1B state deficit and created a $1B state surplus in 2 years. She reduced overall state liabilities by 39.6% (#1 in nation), she vetoed more earmarks than any Governor in the nation (86%) and she accomplished all this while pregnant and delivering a baby. Her 2 year long, statewide popularity exceeded 80% throughout 2007 & 2008 - levels never accomplished by any Gov. in US history. Perry’s record is a joke compared to Gov. Palin’s accomplishments.
Do your homework, sporto. This is too easy.
I am thinking Perry, myself, but it is so nice to find a Palin supporter who has thought hard and responds well. And yes, I like Palin a lot. Give her VP or a serious cabinet position for four or 8 years to get rid of the whole "quitter" and "inexperience" thing and she'd make a truly awesome POTUS.
Good luck!
Seriously, you are comparing an unknown O’Donnell in a CT primary against an unknown Coons as your justification that a mischaracterized Palin can’t beat a failed, unpopular, anti-American Obama?
You believe that if Palin wins our primary, she’ll lose to Obama? You planning to sit this out if she does, chief?
Sounds like you can’t face the fact that her absolute general election floor is 47% and she would win the general if she wins the primary.
It’s voters like you that lack the courage to escape the “lesser of two evils” option that is offered by our ruling class of idiots in the media and both political parties.
Reagan was the last “outside” candidate that “couldn’t win” and look at what they said about him.
Be brave. Or be a coward and take your safe route. It’s only our nation’s future that is at stake. You seem to want to return power into the hands of a candidate and a party that have done absolutely everything to display their own malpractice, incompetence and corruption. If you are cool with this scenario, that’s on you, pal. Our country stands at 2 minutes before midnight and we need radical reform, real leadership and an outsider with the courage to take on the establishment. Otherwise, it’s over.
Hey Fluffy - how about a gentleman’s bet of $5? You confuse facts with rage, I assume?
You stated this excellent fact - “Perry is a mainstream politician who currently holds an important executive position.”
Problem #1 - he IS a mainstream politician.
Problem #2 - his Governorship seat is the weakest of all 50 states - with little power.
Problem #3 - He’s an intellectual lightweight that’s not ready for primetime. He could barely keep us with friendly fire, from his own party, in Tampa. He’ll be crushed against the Obama machine and liberal media. No one knows how he’ll handle the onslaught of attacks and non-stop vilification.
Fact #1 - Palin has been throughout the media gauntlet, they tried to destroy her and she only game out stronger and better.
Fact #2 - Perry is the HIGH RISK candidate that has NOT been vetted. We simply can’t risk the chance that we nominate a lightweight that get destroyed by the media, one that exposes his gross hypocrisy and liberalism - then we’ll be left with no time to recover. Plain is a much deafer choice than Perry.
Where you miss the major mark is here - Palin will not rule by executive order, but she will gore any Ox, from any party, wherever the axe might fall. She’s not a “party first” leader, she’s a proven “principle” leader.
No other candidate in the race can make this claim.
She’s a quitter. She quit to write insipid books and make really bad reality TV. A Q-U-I-T-T-E-R!!!! Last I checked GOVERNOR Perry was still Governor.
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