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Pakistan: Christian Girl Accused Of Blasphemy Over Spelling Error
The Express Tribune ^ | 9/25/2011 | Muhammad Sadaqat

Posted on 09/25/2011 7:13:32 PM PDT by Just4Him

ABBOTTABAD: It may have been a mere misplaced dot that led to accusations of blasphemy against a Christian eighth-grader, whose miniscule error led to her expulsion from school and uproar amongst local religious leaders.

Faryal Bhatti, a student at the Sir Syed Girls High School in Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) colony Havelian, erroneously misspelt a word in an Urdu exam while answering a question on a poem written in praise of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). The word in question was ‘laanat’ instead of ‘naat’ – an easy error for a child to make, as the written versions of the words are similar.

According to the school administration and religious leaders who took great exception to the hapless student’s mistake, the error is ‘serious’ enough to fall within the realm of blasphemy, Saturday.

Spelling out her punishment

On Thursday, Faryal’s Urdu teacher was collecting the answer sheets from her students when she noticed the apparently offensive word on her pupil’s sheet. The teacher, Fareeda Bibi, reportedly summoned the Christian girl, scolded her and beat her. Her punishment, however, did not end here. When Faryal’s class fellows learnt of the alleged blasphemy, the teacher brought the principal’s notice to the matter, who further informed the school management.

(Excerpt) Read more at tribune.com.pk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: christian; christiangirl; grammarnazi; mohammedan; mohammedans; moslem; moslems; pakistan; pakitrash; religiouspersecution; spellingerror
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1 posted on 09/25/2011 7:13:36 PM PDT by Just4Him
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To: Just4Him

This reminds me of the agnostic, dyslexic insomniac who stayed awake all night wondering if there really IS a dog.


2 posted on 09/25/2011 7:16:00 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Just4Him

3 posted on 09/25/2011 7:18:00 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Cain all the way)
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To: gorush

I remember that one.


4 posted on 09/25/2011 7:18:05 PM PDT by Just4Him
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To: gorush
Just a bunch of Pakis trying to make us believe you can be literate in that made-up fake language of theirs they call URDU.

Won't work. These guys all live out of their one dhoti and beyond that they're hopeless.

5 posted on 09/25/2011 7:18:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Just4Him
it doesn't sound too much more paranoid and crazy than the shiite that goes on here.

You gotta unnerstann, it's a whirl gone mad.

6 posted on 09/25/2011 7:19:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Just4Him

Oh please, it’s not like she wrote “Mahomet was a sadistic, murdering anti-Semitic pedophile false prophet” or anything like that/s;) What is the alleged “blasphemy” of the misspelled word, if anybody out there knows Urdu?


7 posted on 09/25/2011 7:19:31 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: ari-freedom

The Nazis are back, Ari, look out! (You can hide in my basement.)


8 posted on 09/25/2011 7:19:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Frank_2001

It’s not as if she said:
“If asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a Jew — a janitor — makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that as a badge of honor.”


9 posted on 09/25/2011 7:22:54 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Cain all the way)
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To: Just4Him
The teacher, Fareeda Bibi, reportedly summoned the Christian girl, scolded her and beat her.

Can it get any more charming?

10 posted on 09/25/2011 7:25:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: Just4Him

I honestly don’t think the Communists under Stalin or the Germans under Hitler were that bad. They simply would have corrected the error.

Now Chairman Mao or whoever named Kim is in charge in N. Korea might be another maatter.


11 posted on 09/25/2011 7:28:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
"I honestly don’t think the Communists under Stalin or the Germans under Hitler were that bad. They simply would have corrected the error."

Yes, by shooting in the back of the head.

12 posted on 09/25/2011 7:33:20 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Cain all the way)
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To: Revolting cat!

“The Nazis are back, Ari, look out! (You can hide in my basement.)”

Don’t worry. No cats were harmed in this story.


13 posted on 09/25/2011 7:35:11 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Cain all the way)
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To: Just4Him; All

OK, I googled.

A “naat” is an encomium to Mad Mo, like that poem was apparently intended to be.

“Laanat” means “damn.”

A little round dot seems to be the only difference in the Urdu text.

Of course these freaks, with not just a chip, but an entire Frito-Lay factory on their shoulders, act as though the girl was guilty of far worse than poor penmanship. Actually I’d say damn the poem too, but I’m safe outside of Pakistan.


14 posted on 09/25/2011 7:37:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: yarddog

Dear leader would have (possibly still will) sent her and her entire family to the camps!


15 posted on 09/25/2011 7:38:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Just4Him

I hate to say it, but Ann Coulter was right. We should have formed a Pax Americana and taken over the planet.


16 posted on 09/25/2011 7:50:12 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: muawiyah

What makes you think Urdu is a fake language?

It’s basically the same language as Hindi, with the only real difference being the alphabet used to write it, much as Serbian and Croatian are the same language except for the script. (As with Serbo-Croatian, extremists of both groups insist loudly they are two different languages. Unbiased linguists disagree.)

The combined language, sometimes known as Hindustani, is probably the third most commonly spoken language on the planet after Mandarin and English, with Urdu alone accounting for something like 75M speakers.

What’s fake about that?


17 posted on 09/25/2011 7:54:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Clock King
We should have formed a Pax Americana and taken over the planet.

We'd have to call it something else, as we wouldn't really be America anymore.

18 posted on 09/25/2011 7:55:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: GOPJ
"The teacher, Fareeda Bibi, reportedly summoned the Christian girl, scolded her and beat her."

Wait, what is this? The teacher's name is BiBi. That is obviously a Jewish name "(Bibi Netanyhu)". Drag her out of the classroom, scold her and beat her

19 posted on 09/25/2011 8:03:03 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: gorush

In the Mrs Robinson’s 4th grade class, I left the R out of “shirt” on a spelling test but I don’t remember getting in trouble. Jesus loves you more than you will know, Wo-wo-wo.


20 posted on 09/25/2011 8:11:23 PM PDT by dmcnash (y)
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To: Sherman Logan

Pax Planetaria?

Most of us here are bible believing, and accept an eschatological view that such a thing won’t be possible.


21 posted on 09/25/2011 8:21:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My point is that for America to conquer and rule the rest of the world, we would essentially have to convert ourselves into the Fourth Reich. No other way to do it.

In which case we wouldn’t be America anymore.


22 posted on 09/25/2011 8:29:09 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

With its ties to Sanskrit it would be one of the more literary-capable languages of the world as well, just as most things German could be brought into Yiddish.


23 posted on 09/25/2011 8:37:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Sherman Logan

What is fake is the direction the language has been taking. Hindustani, as you correctly state, is the lingua franca of non Panjabi north India.

This includes the modern day states of UP, Bihar and Madhya Pradesh.

ALL Urdu speakers in Pakistan (bar none!) came as refugees from these states. The original provinces of West Pakistan spoke Pashto, Panjabi, Sindhi and Baluch as their NATIVE languages.

So, in comes this Urdu speaking minority (under 10% by most estimates) and imposes Urdu on the entire Pakistani nation (including erstwhile Bangladesh or East Pakistan)

Not only that, but because they are afraid, people will recognize Urdu for what it is (Hindustani or even Hindi with a Persian script) they start Arabizing it inserting made up Arabic or Persian words

So, now you have Pakistanis speaking this dumb Arabized language that bears no relationship to the Urdu of old.

Another way that Pakistan continues to have excrement in every part of its culture and society


24 posted on 09/25/2011 9:19:58 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer
people will recognize Urdu for what it is (Hindustani or even Hindi with a Persian script) they start Arabizing it inserting made up Arabic or Persian words

Urdu is every bit as old as Hindi. They evolved together and neither is more "real" than the other.

The two languages exist on a continuum, with extreme Urdu having more Arabic (from the Koran, primarily) and Persian vocabulary, and extreme Hindi having more Sanskrit and Prakrit vocabulary.

Extremists in both camps artificially import words from their respective religious source languages.

Linguists, scientists who study language, just don't use terms like "real" languages. That is the province of nationalists or ethnocentrists (linguocentrists?) out to make a political or ideological point.

If any modern language spoken by a large group of people is "fake," it's the Hebrew spoken in Israel, which was artificially revived for political reasons. They tried the same thing in Ireland, and probably in other countries, but I'm not aware of it having worked anywhere but Israel.

25 posted on 09/25/2011 9:31:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SoftwareEngineer
So, in comes this Urdu speaking minority (under 10% by most estimates) and imposes Urdu on the entire Pakistani nation (including erstwhile Bangladesh or East Pakistan)

Very simple reason for this. Urdu and English are the two official languages of Pakistan for the logical reason that neither is a "native" language.

If any of the native languages had been chosen as the official language, the others would have objected violently. Urdu and English, being equally foreign to all native Pakistanis, didn't offend anybody by favoring one native language over the others. My understanding is that just about everybody in Pakistan speaks or understands at least some Urdu today, even though it's probably not their birth language.

26 posted on 09/25/2011 9:37:35 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Sherman,

Urdu was imposed because the populace (most the East Bangladesh) would not tolerate Persian or even Arabic as the official language.

It has NOTHING to do with not choosing a local language and everything to do with the raison d’etre of Pakistan

Pakistan is a fake state with nothing holding it together. Not culture, not language, not values.. nothing.

Their only “bind” was Islam but the problem was that there were 50 other islamic states so the people of West Panjab, East Bengal, Baluchistan, NWFP and Sindh said, why shouldn’t all of us be independent too.

Pakistan will surely collapse into its constituent four “countries” within the next decade. The Baluchi movement has picked up and the Sindhis and Pashtos as burbling again.

The long suppresed West Panjabi identity (suppressed by way of giving them all the leadership roles in Pakistan) will bubble up again too.

Incidentally the biggest target of the Urdu campaign was to kill Panjabi in West Panjab. Sindhi is STILL the official language of the Sindh province, Pashto is an official langauge of NWFP, Baluchi is the official language of Baluchistan but West Panjab with over 100 million native Panjabi speakers only has Urdu

Read about the Bangladesh war and how Urdu was imposed on Bangladesh. It was effectively a dying language that was revived riding the horse of Pakistani nationalism

Once pakistan dies, Urdu will die with it. Sindhi will flourish in Sindh and West Panjab will return to Panjabi/Saraiki/Hindko

Urdu is pretty much already dead in India. Despite Muslims making up 15% of India and despite Urdu being a NATIONAL language of India, less than 2% of India now considers it their native language..

...and this is despite goverment support including an asinine Doordarshan Urdu... a goverment channel


27 posted on 09/25/2011 9:49:55 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: holyscroller

Bibi is an Urdu word which might mean “lady” or “wife” - is a common name in that part of the world.

Having said that, isn’t it ironic... Adherents of Islam vigorously assert their rights whenever they are a minority in a country - example, in the US, in Europe etc.

But when the majority of people in a country or region are Islamic, they deny even basic rights to religious minorities. When will our American left wake up and realize that Islam is incompatible with democracy or Western values?


28 posted on 09/25/2011 9:54:55 PM PDT by srajan
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To: srajan

Isn’t “Bibi” similar to the word that set off the crazy Nazi playwright in “The Producers” when he heard Dick Shawn sing “Bebe, Bebe” about Hitler?

“Nobody called Hitler Bebe”.

Now we know, the Paks are just cousins to the Nazis.


29 posted on 09/25/2011 11:18:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Sherman Logan; muawiyah

Urdu is basically the prakrit language that is written in Arabic script, correct. However, the Pakistanis have been trying to “Islamisize” it further by bringing in more Farsi and Arab words and replacing Hindi words. Of course, Hindi is doing the same by pulling in more Sanskrit words


30 posted on 09/26/2011 12:52:54 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: SoftwareEngineer; Sherman Logan; muawiyah
Great analysis S/w Engg. What you have described also describes what has been happening in other areas of Pakistan -- the Pakistanis have, since the 80s, been trying to convince the world that they are racially and ethnically not descended from South Asians but from the "Arab and Persian and Turkish" invaders. No amount of genetic proof (that shows them essentially of the same stock that is in north-central India) will convince them

Of course Iranis and Arabs laugh at this

Pakistan is a schizophrenic society -- it has trashed its past and now has no idea who it is or what it stands for -- all it knows is to fight and kill, forever looking for the "other".

31 posted on 09/26/2011 12:56:38 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: srajan; SoftwareEngineer; Sherman Logan; muawiyah
Adherents of Islam vigorously assert their rights whenever they are a minority in a country - example, in the US, in Europe etc.

But when the majority of people in a country or region are Islamic, they deny even basic rights to religious minorities

well said.

32 posted on 09/26/2011 12:59:14 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Sherman Logan; Eleutheria5
s the Hebrew spoken in Israel, which was artificially revived for political reasons. They tried the same thing in Ireland, and probably in other countries, but I'm not aware of it having worked anywhere but Israel.

I think perhaps Welsh might be one where it is working to some extent, but I doubt they have as many with Welsh as their first-language.

w.r.t. Hebrew, to my knowledge, Hebrew was always still spoken by educated Jews: rabbis AND traders and it was a Jewish lingua franca just as Latin was for Western priests

Yes it was revived in the 1800s and early 1900s. That was quite an achievement to basically recreate a bunch of native-speakers

33 posted on 09/26/2011 1:03:29 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Just4Him
It is a very small difference The word laanat means damn and the second word naat is from Arabic and means a type poetry praising the Prophet. I've cut and pasted the two words below in Urdu which looks like Arabic script to me. The difference is in the 3rd character in the first word. it's slightly more than a dot. You can easily see why those adherents of the Religion of Peace whose religion treats women fairly and is truly just as well as advocates learning for all are so upset with this little girl. What's the punishment for blasphemy in their country? لعنت vs. نعت‎
34 posted on 09/26/2011 1:30:38 AM PDT by airedale
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To: Cronos

It was absolutely necessary, though, quite apart from “politics”. Ashkenazic Jews spoke Yiddish, Russian or High German. Sephardic Jews spoke Ladino. Eastern Jews spoke Arabic, Farsi, Buchara or Russofarsi. The only single language they all, without exception, knew and identified with was Hebrew, the language of Jewish liturgy and scholarship, similar to Latin and Ancient Greek for most branches of Christianity, Arabic for Muslims, and Coptic for Coptic Christians. So to communicate, they adopted their common literary and liturgical language as the collquial tongue. Ben Yehuda perhaps saw it coming, but neither he nor the Zionist movement were the inspiration for the Hebrew revival, merely the mid-wife at most.


35 posted on 09/26/2011 1:35:36 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Hmm, what isn’t fake about that. It’s just Hindi with a different orthography!


36 posted on 09/26/2011 3:26:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cronos

Cronos my friend,

Thank you for the kind words.

Yes, since President Zia Ul Haq, Pakistan has followed a very aggressive form of “Arabization”. Over 10% of Pakistan has now had some formal Arabic training whether in a Madrassa or a school.

Pakistan had long wanted to become an Arab speaking country and kill any historical ethnic identity. The only place out of their five constituent countries they have succeeded is West Panjab.

West Panjabis are now not allowed to speak Panjabi in ANY official level. It is not officially recognized and the West Panjabi script (called Shahmukhi, which is related to the Persian script) is dying.

The biggest “benefactors” of this are the Sikhs. The Panjabis used to be divided equally between the Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus.

The Muslims have “De-Panjabized” West Panjab. The hindus have “de-Panjabized” the parts of East Panjab that they control (Haryana, Himachal, Uttarkhand). So the net result is that 5000 years of Panjabi heritage now rests on the shoulders of the brave Sikhs, who proudly embrace their Panjabi heritage (witness the worldwide popularity of Bhangra, Panjabi cuisine (mistakenly called Indian cuisine), Panjabi salwar kameez etc)

The irony of the Pakistani racial argument is that invaders made up less than 2% of the muslim population of India. Various genetic tests have proven that. They in fact instituted a caste system in the Muslim community to separate the fact that they were Turks etc.

98% of the Muslims in the Indian subcontinent are Hindu converts and forcible converts under the sword of Islam at that.

Just like anyone else with an inferiority complex, the Muslims most vocal about their ethnic “Turk/Persian” identity are the ones that are the most “Indian” aka the refugees that came from India.

Ironically the Baluchis and the Pashtos have historical intermingling ethnic links with the Persians and Turks.

However the muhajirs (the refugees who came from India, and the idiots who have foisted Urdu) are almost pure Hindu converts. They still carry a lot of Hindu customes with them (like birth charts, lingering caste system, superstitions etc)


37 posted on 09/26/2011 5:33:14 AM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Just4Him

Feel sorry for any child living in an uncivilized place...


38 posted on 09/26/2011 5:39:43 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Just4Him
Somebody ping Rick Perry.

THIS is what heartlessness looks like.

39 posted on 09/26/2011 5:41:54 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: muawiyah

The “two” languages and their orthography evolved simultaneously. Urdu is no more “fake” than Hindi, and no less.

In fact, for most of its existence it was dominant over Hindi, as it was the version used in government and by the (Muslim) ruling classes.


40 posted on 09/26/2011 6:13:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SoftwareEngineer

You gave accurate facts — THAT is worth praising.


41 posted on 09/26/2011 7:01:28 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: airedale
the punishment for blasphemy in Pakiland is death.

but since this is a Christian little girl they'll just rap e her and then sell her as a slave -- the tolerant Izlamic scum

42 posted on 09/26/2011 7:03:06 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Eleutheria5
thanks for that EleutheriA! What is Russofarsi? And by Buchara do you mean the Jews from Uzbekistan?

Those are ancient Israelites -- descended from Naphtali, right?

43 posted on 09/26/2011 7:06:31 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Pakistan had long wanted to become an Arab speaking country and kill any historical ethnic identity.

I find it funny that they are clubbed with the Middle East, and of course the Arabs laugh at them

The only place out of their five constituent countries they have succeeded is West Panjab. -- really? the Punjabis have given up their culture -- what sad folk Mozlems are...

44 posted on 09/26/2011 7:11:16 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Sherman Logan
well, not quite -- Urdu was not the language of the ruling classes until quite late.

under the Tughlaks etc. the language of government was Persian or Turkic (Chagatai)

The Mughals too used Farsi like Akbar

Urdu/Hindi only came into being around 1800 and was the official language of British Indian only from the 1830s as Hindustani

45 posted on 09/26/2011 7:15:58 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
Urdu/Hindi only came into being around 1800

Most of what you say is accurate but not this part.

Farsi was indeed the official language of government for most of Mogul rule. But Hindustani (Urdu/Hindi) was the vernacular language of most of North India for this whole period.

The British simply "officialized" the vernacular, much as when Europe switched from Latin to the various vernacular languages during the Renaissance and Reformation. Or when the English dropped French as the language of government for English.

46 posted on 09/26/2011 8:08:22 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cronos

that was kind of my point. She’ll be lucky to even survive.


47 posted on 09/26/2011 8:39:50 AM PDT by airedale
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To: Cronos

I don’t know if they’re from Naftali, but they generally come from around Uzbekistan. My chavruta in yeshiva was a Buchara born in Uzbekistan, and he never mentioned any claim of descent from a lost tribe.


48 posted on 09/26/2011 12:00:49 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

From what I had read, the Bukharan jews date back over 2000+ years and some traditional accounts are that they are descended from Naphtali


49 posted on 09/27/2011 12:49:46 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

Well, live and learn. I never knew. So that makes three known lost tribes. The Bnei Menashe are now in Israel from Northeastern India. The Bnei Dan are here from Ethiopia, and now we have Bnei Naftali from Uzbekistan and Samarkand.


50 posted on 09/27/2011 1:13:34 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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