Skip to comments.Wolves continue as a problem and threat in Idaho
Posted on 09/29/2011 12:04:28 PM PDT by Jeff Head
By: Jeff Head
September 28, 2011
This just in regarding the wolves here in Idaho. As many may know, the wolves were forced upon Idaho by the Federal government several years ago. They were not native, Rocky Mountian wolves. They brought in large timber wolves from Canada, starting in Yellowstone and then spreading into Idaho and surrounding states.
Well, over the years their numbers, and their negative impact have grown so much that the state sued to take them off the endangered species list and allow them to be hunted. It took a while, but the facts were inescapable and the courts ultimately ruled to allow it.
Elk and deer populations have been significantly negatively impacted, cattle and sheep herds have been attacked, hunting dogs have been killed, and people have even been attacked. Many people, including many environmentalists will try and tell you that wolves will not attack people...that it is very rare. Well, here's a quote from a local outfitter, and a bow hunter that say differently which I received today, September 28, 2011.
From the outfitter:
"Took a group of out-of-state elk archery hunters from the Great Lakes region last week. They ended up calling in a pack of 17 wolves by elk cow calling. None of the hunters had a sidearm or wolf tag and it was a very traumatic experience. The wolves surrounded us. All of those hunters went home early, very disturbed claiming that these wolves are very different from the Great Lakes wolves. These Idaho wolves actually hunt you, and were not afraid! "Now from an Idaho bow hunter:
"This wolf came running toward Rene last night to attack her. She had to drop her bow & pull her pistol. She shot it in the head about 10 feet from her. She had to shoot it a couple more times to actually kill it. Crazy! This not even a week after Shanes dogs were killed by wolves."Here's the picture of the wolf in question and the woman who shot it with her handgun.
Click on the pic for a higher res version.
Bow hunters (or anyone else) out there, make sure you carry a good handgun (preferably a .44 mag or .357 mag) when you are out in the foothills or backcountry and be careful!
Whatever happened to “shoot, shovel and shut-up?”
That still occurs...but for the wolves, we now have an official hunting season for them too. If one attacks you, or your life stock, you are free to shoot it dead. They are not on the endanged list in Idaho any longer.
My God, that thing is huge. Your advice on carrying when afield is solid advice but I’d question whether the game wardens would agree during archery season. Here in OK, having a firearm with you during archery hunting is not allowed. Of course, we don’t have the predators on the food chain above us that you do in ID.
Ping to you...,
Evidently, there are BIG wolves in Idaho. Be sure to tell hubby that. ;)
I live in Idaho County. Wolves have eaten pets in the next town. I saw one a couple of years ago. Made the hair stand on the back of my head. It was huge, had no fear.
In June one was in front of our place chasing a deer. I saw it. I still wonder it seemed small for a wolf. Yet others were with me on the neighbors porch when in ran down the hillside.
That looks to be a .44 she has. For some reason it looks bigger than a .44 (460 or 500) but I don’t think either of those has a barrel like that where it is not a full lug (is that correct terminology)?
But that wolf looks huge.
If not, then the other old addage comes into play:
"I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."
If I’m surrounded by a pack of wolves the lack of a tag is not going to stop me from protecting myself.
That thing is huge!
I'll try and find that pic and post it.
Heck I’d rather be given lethal injection than eaten alive by a wolf.
Agreed...but that group had no firearms...just their bows. A good bow will help, but 17 wolves are going to get to some of those folks if it got serious. As it was for that group, the wolves did not attack...unlike the story with the woman.
My first quick glance at the dead wolf was, “Damn, that was a big wild/feral boar!”
Then, I realized that it was a wolf.
I told you about a younger relative who was harrassed by a large California Black Bear a couple of years ago. He was Bow Hunting for deer and due to California’s screwed up laws re no hand guns while bow hunting, he and his unstrung bow could have been a disaster.
We had a discussion about how I had rather be tried by 12 of my peers versus buried by 6 friendsserving as pall bearers in situations like this.
What kind of pistol did she use to take it down with?
"I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."
I think we should feed the enviro-whacko’s to the wolves.
The Democrats specifically reintroduced wolves into the NW to kill off the deer and elk and moose so they could say, “What do you need rifles for? There are no deer left. Let’s just outlaw rifles.” Oh, and about shooting wolves.....I believe they are a pack animal. I recommend that people with wolf tags gather together to eliminate entire packs. You shoot one wolf in a pack, and you haven’t done much. Even if you kill the Alpha female, another one just takes her place. Democrats could care less about looking at wolves....what they really want is all private firearms gone so they can force their will on everyone. Yes.....they really are that cruel and stupid.
That wolf looks like it has a future as the lining of a nice parka.
[I believe they are a pack animal.]
The wolves or the democrats?
A side benefit of the wolves is it makes people less likely to go where the wolves are. All part of the plan to ban humans from large tracts of the US.
Idahoans would help themselves by getting Anatolian Shepherds, Kangals, or Caucasian Ovcharchas. Each of these breeds loves to kill wolves. The Kangal/Anatolians will track wolves for miles to kill them.
Could be a .44 mag but it kind of looks like a .357 mag because of how the cylinder is held at the front of the barrel. Hard to tell for sure. If she was shooting .357 158grain semi jacketed P+P’s it would have been a lot of knock down power as the .357 is very quick.
Sounds like all of those expert archers did not know how to shoot in the air for help. Stupid is as stupid does,
Especially since, as often as not, they are hunting for sport rather than food. They will take down their prey, do serious damage, and then leave it to die.
“I don’t know what kind of dog he is, but before I cut off his tail and painted him yellow he was a crocodile.”
You need several of them because the packs are large. But a number of livestock owners I know have Anatolian Shepherds. They are very, very good.
Amen to that...thanks for sharing that story. They are all too common.
Bump on this thread.
I am not certain how I feel about wolves. Seems there is more mis-information than true information. I did thoroughly investigate the human risk from wolves. There has never been a wolf kill of a human in the United States. Mountain lions, brown and grizzly bear yes but never by a wolf.
Coyotes and wild dogs have killed humans, toddlers in particular. Thus, it is only a matter of time before a wolf kills a human.
In the meantime, wolves readily make a meal of livestock -- lambs, calves, etc. Are you ambiguous as well about the interests of farmers and ranchers?
“There has never been a wolf kill of a human in the United States.”
Horsepucky! A couple of years ago, wolves killed and partially ate a female school teacher jogging outside a native village on the Alaskan peninsula. The pack had been harrassing the villagers for weeks. AFTERWARD, state troopers brought in a helo and hunted them down. There were other scattered close calls around the state.
Nothing. We apply it daily here in Wyoming. We’re thinking about changing the state seal to incorporate the phrase, “Shoot, Shovle, and Shut Up”. The engraving will include a crossed rifle and shovel looming over closed lips coverd by a verticle index finger.
I can tell you that the info above is true and not misinformation.
I know up in the high country here earlier in the year several wolves were stalking two children waiting at a rural bus stop. A resident noticed it and came down in their vehicle and picked those children up. The woman in the above story was in the process of being attacked when she klilled the wolf.
Wolves are a problem and a danger. They have been reintroduced...and not even the wolves native to this part of the country...and once again we are finding why our forefathers eradicated them from close proximity to their dwelling places.
“I think we should feed the enviro-whackos to the wolves.”
One of my mother’s favorite sayings was, “You don’t have to out run a wolf, bear, or cougar. You just have to outrun the slowest person with you.”
We could bring these vile anti human enviro-whackos with us on hunting/fishing/hiking/camping trips and strap slabs of bacon or raw meat on them.
I am reading a book “Yellowstone Wolves In the Wild”. It appears to me that the study taking place in Yellowstone may be the best ever done on wild wolves. This study does claim that the wolf reintroduction revitalized a struggling Yellowstone ecosystem.
“I had contacted a couple that does wolf research. They and one other source told me that there has been no verifiable cases of wolf kills of human in the U.S.”
Of course not. Their damn funding depends on a healthy wolf population and wolves killing folks means a reduction in pack numbers and money.
Here’s the dirt on your fluffy puppies:
And yet they still felt compelled to "re-introduce" them into Idaho as well...which has proven to be disasterous to the point that they are no longer endangered but must be hunted to control. And they have damaged cattle, sheep, and other stock animals...and clearly hurt the deer and elk populations. I cannot tell you exactly how much...and I do not trust US Wildlife claims or any organization with any attachement to, or members of the "environmental" groups in them. Why? Because I have seen them blatantly "create" science to meet their preconcieved notions and agendas.
As to wolf attacks and fatalities on humans in the US and Canada. Here are eight instances I found in about 10 minutes of research (took me longer to format the html here on FR than to find them):
NEW ROCKFORD, DAK, March 7 - The news has just reached here that a father and son, living several miles northeast of this city, were destroyed by wolves yesterday. The two unfortunate men started to a haystack some ten rods from the house to shovel a path around the stack when they were surrounded by wolves and literally eaten alive. The horror-stricken mother was standing at the window with a babe in her arms, a spectator to the terrible death of her husband and son, but was unable to aid them. After they had devoured every flesh from the bones of the men, the denizens of the forest attacked the house, but retired to the hills in a short time. Investigation found nothing but the bones of the husband and son. The family name was Olson. Wolves are more numerous and dangerous now than ever before known in North Dakota." (Saint Paul Daily Globe, March 8, 1888}Like I said, I was able to find these documented attacks in a few minutes on the web. There are a LOT more that do not have associated reference material for their documentation.
John James Audubon, of whom the Audubon Society is named, reported an attack involving 2 Negroes. He records that the men were traveling through a part of Kentucky near the Ohio border in winter. Due to the wild animals in the area the men carried axes on their shoulders as a precaution. While traveling through a heavily forested area, they were attacked by a pack of wolves. Using their axes, they attempted to fight off the wolves. Both men were knocked to the ground and severely wounded. One man was killed. The other dropped his axe and escaped up a tree. There he spent the night. The next morning the man climbed down from the tree. The bones of his friend lay scattered on the snow. Three wolves lay dead. He gathered up the axes and returned home with the news of the event. This incident occurred about 1830. (Audubon, J.J., and Bachman, J.; The Quadrupeds of North America, 3 volumes. New York, 1851 - 1854)
George Bird Grinnell investigated several reported wolf attacks on humans. He verified this attack.
This occurrence was in northwestern Colorado. An eighteen-year-old girl went out at dusk to bring in some milk cows. She saw a gray wolf on a hill as she went out for the cows. She shouted at the wolf to scare it away and it did not move. She then threw a stone at it to frighten it away. The animal snarled at her shouting and attacked her when she threw the stone at it. The wolf grabbed the girl by the shoulder, threw her to the ground and bit her severely on the arms and legs. She screamed and her brother, who was nearby and armed with a gun, responded to the scene of the attack and killed the wolf. The wolf was a healthy young animal, barely full grown. Grinnell met this girl and examined her. She carried several scars from the attack. This attack occurred in summer about 1881. (Grinnell, G.B.; Trail and Campfire - Wolves and Wolf Nature, New York, 1897)
In 1942, Michael Dusiak, section foreman for the Canadian Pacific Railway, was attacked by a wolf while patrolling a section of track on a speeder (small 4-wheeled open railroad car). Dusiak relates, "It happened so fast and as it was still very dark, I thought an engine had hit me first. After getting up from out of the snow very quickly, I saw the wolf which was about fifty feet away from me and it was coming towards me, I grabbed the two axes (tools on the speeder), one in each hand and hit the wolf as he jumped at me right in the belly and in doing so lost one axe. Then the wolf started to circle me and got so close to me at times that I hit him with the head of the axe and it was only the wielding of the axe that kept him from me. All this time he was growling and gnashing his teeth. Then he would stop circling me and jump at me and I would hit him with the head of the axe. This happened five times and he kept edging me closer to the woods which was about 70 feet away. We fought this way for about fifteen minutes and I fought to stay out in the open close to the track. I hit him quite often as he came at me very fast and quick and I was trying to hit him a solid blow in the head for I knew if once he got me down it would be my finish. Then in the course of the fight he got me over onto the north side of the track and we fought there for about another ten minutes. Then a west bound train came along travelling about thirty miles an hour and stopped about half a train length west of us and backed up to where we were fighting. The engineer, fireman and brakeman came off the engine armed with picks and other tools, and killed the wolf."
It should be noted that this wolf was skinned and inspected by an Investigator Crichton, a Conservation Officer. His assessment was that the animal was a young healthy wolf in good condition although it appeared lean. ("A Record of Timber Wolf Attacking a Man," JOURNAL OF MAMMOLOGY, Vol. 28, No. 3, August 1947)
In August, 1996, the Delventhal family of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, were spending a nine-day family vacation in the Canadian, Algonquin Park and joined a group of Scouts in "howling" at the wolves. They were answered by the howl of a solitary wolf.
That night the Delventhals decided to sleep out under the stars. Young Zachariah was dreaming when he suddenly felt excruciating pain in his face. A lone wolf had bit him in the face and was dragging him from his sleeping bag. Zach screamed and Tracy, Zach's Mother, raced to his side and picked him up, saturating her thermal shirt with blood from Zach's wounds.
The wolf stood menacingly less than a yard away. Tracy yelled at her husband, Thom, who leapt from his sleeping bag and charged the wolf. The wolf retreated and then charged at Tracy and Zach. The charges were repeated. Finally the wolf left. Thom turned a flashlight on 11-year-old Zach and gasped "Oh, my God!" "The boy's face had been ripped open. His nose was crushed. Parts of his mouth and right cheek were torn and dangling. Blood gushed from puncture wounds below his eyes, and the lower part of his right ear was missing." Zach was taken to a hospital in Toronto where a plastic surgeon performed four hours of reconstructive surgery. Zach received more than 80 stitches in his face.
Canadian officials baited the Delventhals' campsite and captured and destroyed a 60-lb wild male wolf. No further attacks have occurred since. (Cook, Kathy; "Night of the Wolf" READER'S DIGEST, July 1997, pp. 114-119.)
The late David Tobuk carried scars on his face from a wolf attack on him as a small child in Alaska. The incident occurred around the turn of the century in interior Alaska. David was playing in his village near a river. An old wolf came into the village and bit David in the face and started to carry him off. Other Eskimos saw the wolf dragging the child off and started yelling and screaming. The wolf dropped the child and was shot by an old Eskimo trapper who had a gun. (Interview with Frank Tobuk, brother, Bettles, Alaska, December 1988.)
Paul Tritt, an Athabascan Indian, was attacked by a lone wolf while working a trap line. Paul was setting a snare, looked up and saw a wolf lunging at him. He threw his arm up in front of his face and it was bitten severely by the wolf. A struggle ensued. Tritt was able to get to his sled, grab a gun and kill the wolf. Nathaniel Frank, a companion, helped Tritt wash the wound with warm water. Frank took Tritt, via dog sled, to Fort Yukon to see a doctor. The arm healed, but Tritt never regained full use of it. Several years later, the arm developed problems and had to be amputated. (Interview with Paul Tritt, Venetie, Alaska, November, 1988)
Reported by the Hamilton Spectator in September of 2007: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada - A lone wolf that attacked six people, including several young children, in a provincial park over the long weekend has tested negative for rabies, the Algoma Health Unit said yesterday. The wolf, which has been blamed for several separate attacks Monday at the popular Katherine's Cove beach on Lake Superior was shot by park staff.
Chignik Lake, Alaska as reported by MSNBC in March 2010: In a small southwest Alaska village where natives have forever lived side-by-side with wild animals, the fatal mauling of a schoolteacher by wolves has shattered an uneasy co-existence.
Now, villagers in Chignik Lake say, parents are keeping an extra-close eye on their children and residents make sure to take their rifles and guns when they venture outdoors.
Its scary. People are afraid, said Virginia Aleck, 66, a village elder. Its just something were just going to have to adjust to, but the sense of trust with a wild animal is totally going to be different.
The death of 32-year-old Candice Berner stunned not only the village of a few dozen residents but also wildlife officials, who say wolf attacks are very, very rare and fatal attacks, even more so.
Officials say Berner, a special education teacher who moved to Alaska last summer, was set on by at least two wolves while out for a late-afternoon jog on a road outside Chignik Lake, a fishing village on the Alaska Peninsula, about 475 miles southwest of Anchorage.
On Monday, state biologists tracked and shot two of the wolves that they believe were responsible.
Based on statements of eyewitness observers, observations made at the location of Candice Berner's death, physical characteristics of the two wolves killed, and the proximity of the two wolves to the location of Candice Berner's death, I conclude that it is highly likely that these wolves killed Candice Berner, state Fish and Game biologist Lem Butler said.
It is preposterous for the continuing myth to be perpetrated that there are no documented deaths or attacks by wolves. Except the evnronmentalists and ESA advocates will continue to perpetrate the myth because they have an agenda.
The attacks documented also sound very much like what I have explained to you here in Idaho on this thread...the woman above who was attacked, but, thank God was armed and able to kill the wolf before it injured or killed her. The hunters who were surrounded. And the children who were stalked but saved from possible attack because adults came along.
“(Saint Paul Daily Globe, March 8, 1888}”
Oh, come on now, that was over 100 years ago. These modern wolves have evolved to be human friendly. Just cuddly little fluff balls living a lonely existence on the fringes of civilization.
At least that’s what the wolf experts would have us believe.
Good post. But in case you didn’t notice rickk doesn’t belong on this site - he’s a troll. He joined yesterday to progressively support wolves.
Here’s’ the link to the story.
BTTT. Thanks for the post.
That is some story. A .44 magnum will not let you down.
We have wolves in Georgia because wolves are back in NC and they don’t where the state line is. But in NC you mostly have the Red Wolf which is about 85 Lbs. There are gray wolves though because one walked through my sister’s yard one day. They lived outside Waynesville, NC in a very rural area. She got a pic of it and it was larger than their Great Pyranees. It showed no fear and just ambled on through and up across a ridge and gone.