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Despite Denials, Map Proves Deliberate Illegal Gun Trafficking by ATF to Mexico
Townhall.com ^ | October 1, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 10/01/2011 1:48:02 PM PDT by Kaslin

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This map, revealed in the White House document dump I reported about earlier today,shows the path of guns sent by ATF into Mexico from Arizona. Former Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Office has said over and over again under oath, that at no point didn't ATF allow guns to be trafficked into Mexico.

July 26, 2011:

At no time in our strategy was it to allow guns to be taken to Mexico,” Newell said, adding that at no time did his agency allow guns to walk.

This map, proves otherwise and shows the deliberate trafficking of high powered weapons, including AK-47s and .50 caliber sniper rifles, into the hands of the most violent criminals in North America.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; california; dncrico; dojrico; fastandfurious; gunrunner; holder4armedillegals; holder4criminals; holder4murderers; holder4terrorists; mexico; newmexico; noaccountability; nohonor; nointegrity; nojustice; notransparency; notruth; texas

1 posted on 10/01/2011 1:48:10 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Anyone have Any confidence in the BATF?
Anyone have any confidence in Obammys gub mint?


2 posted on 10/01/2011 1:51:01 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: Kaslin
"Report: Woman survives live grenade in face"


"Sources: Five grenades thrown in Rio Bravo[Mexico]"


"California Iraqi-Mexican crime ring busted
“Police in southern California have arrested 60 people and broken up
an Iraqi criminal ring accused of selling drugs, machine guns and improvised bombs
out of an immigrant social club”


"Child Finds (Live) Grenade Near Local Creek]"


"News Troops kill 3 gunmen in northern Mexico, seize weapons, vehicles
“Three suspected organized crime gummen were killed and another three
were wounded in a clash near the northeastern Mexican city of Matamoros with army troops,
who seized more than 100 weapons and nearly a score of vehicles after the gun battle, military sources said.
The Defense Secretariat’s 4th Military Region said in a statement that 83 automatic rifles,
18 handguns, five grenade launchers, a rocket launcher,
11 fragmentation grenades, 28 40 mm grenades, 315 ammunition clips,
more than 18,000 rounds of ammunition, 17 vehicles and eight kilos of marijuana
were confiscated in Wednesday’s operation. “'


Mexican federal police discover arsenal of heavy weapons in Ciudad Juarez home
“Mexican federal police said Saturday they discovered a basement arsenal
hidden behind the mirrors of a home gym that included three anti-aircraft guns,
dozens of grenades, a grenade launcher, AK-47s and other high-powered weapons. “


[Mexico:]Grenade attacks throughout Tamaulipas; shootouts reported'


"[South Texas]Border Patrol finds rocket launcher, grenade launcher,
explosives near Rio Grande “


Fast & Furious: Congress expanding probe to include grenades



“Despite Denials, Map Proves Deliberate Illegal Gun Trafficking by ATF to Mexico”

3 posted on 10/01/2011 1:54:32 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Joe Boucher

Anyone have any confidence in Obammys gub mint?


Yep, I have confidence they’re doing all they can to damage and destroy the USA.

As long as the United States is strong and soverign, they can’t implement the New World Order/One World Government.


4 posted on 10/01/2011 1:56:16 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kaslin
Shouldn't William Newell be in handcuffs right now?


5 posted on 10/01/2011 2:00:25 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Kaslin
So much of this doesn't make sense, what was the end game. This gets bigger every day.

Here is an interesting article, with some theories

A Fast-and-Furious Smoking Gun: Were Obama and Holder Trying to Touch Off a Civil War in Mexico?

possible explanations.

..#1 the anti-gun Obama administration deliberately wanted American guns planted in Mexico in order to demonize American firearms dealers and gun owners...

...#2 is that the CIA ... feared the los Zetas drug cartel was becoming too powerful and might even mount a coup against the Mexican government. So some 2,000 weapons costing more than $1.25 million were deliberately channeled to the rival Sinaloa cartel, which operates along the American border, to keep the Zetas in check.

Scenario #3: • The ATF arms the Sinaloa cartel

• The State Department arms the Zetas (The U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program is run from the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls)

• The combination helps fuel a full-blown civil war in Mexico

• Civilians start streaming north to safety

The resulting humanitarian crisis is used as a lever for a mass immigration event with hundreds of thousands of undocumented Democrats entering the U.S. seeking asylum.

It's as good an explanation as any I've heard -- and certainly consistent with the mindset of the Holder and Obama duo: the ends always justify the means.


6 posted on 10/01/2011 2:06:57 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Joe Boucher

“Anyone have any confidence in Obammys gub mint?”

Or in the “journalists” in the “media”, whose excuse for its existence is to expose said gub mint’s wrongdoings to the citizens of these United States?


7 posted on 10/01/2011 2:07:38 PM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Lying bastage might as well be picking his nose in that picture with his hand up.


8 posted on 10/01/2011 2:16:58 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: Kaslin

Now all we need is maps of programs in other states. TX, FL, IN, CA, NM come readily to mind, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if GA, SC, VA, PA, and other “gun-friendly” states would also show hits.

Its always easy to know when the current administration is lying - they’re talking ! The Obama Administration is still sticking to its “limited hangout” meme ! Its Friday “document dump” on OFF (of which this map is a part), is akin to a polluter dumping into the stream in the wee weekend hours hoping no one will notice until the real stench is diluted and most of the sh** washes away !

Great thing about the “new media” of the internet is it runs 24/7 - and perhaps even picks up on the weekends - meaning someone’s always watching these “late nite dumps” !

And - completely irrelevant to this thread - (or is it ?) former White House staffer/OA member Van Jones announced an “October Offensive Against Capitalism” Thursday .

http://www.breitbart.tv/van-jones-promises-october-offensive-against-capitalism

Everytime I think we’ve hit the nadir....... >PS


9 posted on 10/01/2011 2:18:58 PM PDT by PiperShade
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Thanks Kaslin. Apropo of nothing...
10 posted on 10/01/2011 2:28:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Kaslin
Newell is a boldfaced liar and he knows it. How many examples do you need? 2:20 into this video from Sharyl Atkisson, the agents speak the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDfl6HTfTEk

It's still shocking to me that she doesn't get stifled for this reporting. If she keeps on, I hope she wins a Pulitzer.

11 posted on 10/01/2011 3:22:17 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Kaslin

Bk.


12 posted on 10/01/2011 3:29:14 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Kaslin

Looks like a whole lot of Mexicans and American citizens are gonna get their eyes opened very wide by this scandal. Mexicans have all been played for fools, while Americans were being stomped on by the jackbooted thugs in DC.


13 posted on 10/01/2011 3:30:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Kaslin

This map was probably intended as supporting documentation for ratification of the UN Small Arms Treaty scheduled for a vote next year.


14 posted on 10/01/2011 3:36:48 PM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Joe Boucher

BUTT


15 posted on 10/01/2011 3:49:22 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Joe Boucher

BTTT


16 posted on 10/01/2011 3:50:40 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: opentalk

Yes that is an interesting article.

“The resulting humanitarian crisis is used as a lever for a mass immigration event with hundreds of thousands of undocumented Democrats entering the U.S. seeking asylum.”

And don’t forget the Sinaloa cartel is worth billions of dollars.

Are we to believe none of that money is used to influence politicians on both the Democrat and Republican sides to favor open borders and no fence? Especially when there are already forces in the US to team up with in favor of cheap Mexican labor on the one side and manufacturing Democrat votes on the other?


17 posted on 10/01/2011 4:02:02 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (The pain from Cain falls mainly on Hussein)
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To: Nachum; MestaMachine

Ping


18 posted on 10/01/2011 4:02:36 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Kaslin

seems like a fine time to “get guns off the streets of America,” doesn’t it?


19 posted on 10/01/2011 4:03:35 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: paddles
bingo...
20 posted on 10/01/2011 5:34:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: paddles


21 posted on 10/01/2011 5:43:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

A little before my time!


22 posted on 10/01/2011 5:58:21 PM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: paddles
i shoulda known...

23 posted on 10/01/2011 6:17:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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24 posted on 10/01/2011 6:23:04 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thank you for the ping!


25 posted on 10/01/2011 6:24:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: LucyT

FYI
We have a map.


26 posted on 10/01/2011 6:26:34 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Could THIS be the reason the obama administration came down so hard on AZ’s immigration law?


27 posted on 10/01/2011 6:32:36 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not proof. Interesting correlation which must be investigated with Great suspicion, but not proof.

A given gun may have been straw purchased, sent south, then the perp apprehended later for some other reason. When the gun was found in Mexico and reported as having USA markings, a search of records reveals the buyer, and the connection is made and marked on the map accordingly.

I don’t believe that was the case in many instances (methinks the Obama had to have given his approval), but it is a viable alternative and shows the map does not constitute legal proof.


28 posted on 10/01/2011 6:44:12 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: MestaMachine; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
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Despite Denials, Map Proves Deliberate Illegal Gun Trafficking by ATF to Mexico

. . . . See Map.

Thanks, MM.

29 posted on 10/01/2011 6:51:39 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: opentalk

“A Fast-and-Furious Smoking Gun: Were Obama and Holder Trying to Touch Off a Civil War in Mexico?”

IMO, YES,...among several other “lesser” motives.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 7:07:01 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks Kaslin...excellent info


31 posted on 10/01/2011 9:13:57 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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32 posted on 10/01/2011 9:17:02 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Diogenesis

Blood red is the perfect color for that deluge from Arizona into Mexico. The cartoon showing the bloody footprints from a murder scene to Eric Holder’s office is so appropriate also.

Obama’s hopes for the Hispanic vote should go down the tubes when (if) this ever breaks into the national consciousness. Innocent Mexicans being killed by the drug cartels who have been armed by dems selling their souls for power.... sounds a lot like dems (Obama) using the promise of born-alive abortion survivors/infants being able to be smothered to death in linen closets, all for the sake of political power from the voting bloc that wants that kind of death to continue.

It’s not so fun for the victims though, and sadly, the Mexicans may begin to learn that for themselves as they watch what is going on in their country.


33 posted on 10/01/2011 9:56:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: opentalk

Another scenario but first the warmup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv-_8lLke6g&feature=player_embedded#!

“He (Soros) became a staunch advocate of the policy of “shock therapy,”

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild06.htm

Then there is http://www.sorosonsoros.com/the-money.html and his world without borders theme

Throw in a Hillary
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6709

and a timely expansionist move by the resident
http://www.activistpost.com/2010/12/north-american-integration-back-on.html

and this from http://www.aim.org/aim-column/mccain-soros-and-the-new-global-order/

“...It is certainly relevant and significant that Talbott’s book The Great Experiment identifies Soros, one of the “visitors to my office” when he was in the Clinton State Department, as one of his advisers on issues like NATO. Talbott also thanks Soros in the acknowledgements section of his book...”

Here’s another angle to support another possibility
http://www.fsmarchives.org/article.php?id=1384954

Many Multiple scenarios, I daresay


34 posted on 10/02/2011 1:21:30 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: Meet the New Boss
Are we to believe none of that money is used to influence politicians on both the Democrat and Republican sides to favor open borders and no fence?

There you are. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the white hut were helping drugs get across as well. Drugs, guns, crime, illegal votes. They all play in this together.

35 posted on 10/02/2011 3:15:03 AM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: Kaslin; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!

From Post 6:

The resulting humanitarian crisis is used as a lever for a mass immigration event with hundreds of thousands of undocumented Democrats entering the U.S. seeking asylum.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 9:23:14 PM PDT by HiJinx ("Good government is the concern of all men." ~ Louis L'Amour)
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To: HiJinx

Bttt


37 posted on 10/03/2011 4:19:50 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Kaslin
into Mexico from Arizona

Anyone wonder AT ALL why Arizona was the state used as the sales base? Interesting map.
38 posted on 10/03/2011 6:41:25 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: opentalk
Perhaps all three scenarios at once, but I still think that scenario #1 was one of the main goals:

ATF Recovers 1,300 Firearms in Arizona, Plans to Expand Teams to Curb Guns to Mexico - Sept 2010

Mexican authorities have asked U.S. officials to increase enforcement on gun crimes in the United States and have urged the Obama administration to reinstitute the assault weapons ban.

Attorney General Eric Holder broached the idea of renewing the ban in February 2009, saying, "I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

More recently, there has been less talk of reinstituting the ban, which is opposed by many.

39 posted on 10/03/2011 7:00:32 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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40 posted on 10/03/2011 8:26:26 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: opentalk

Scenario #4: All of the above?


41 posted on 10/03/2011 11:15:07 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kaslin
Full Update in The Boston Globe
42 posted on 10/03/2011 1:03:30 PM PDT by pabianice (")
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