Posted on 10/05/2011 1:32:48 AM PDT by neverdem
While I certainly understand the frustration of those who complain of RINO primary rise, it's important to accept the reality of how it happens. It is not, as some would say, a matter of the "Republican Party giving us another John McCain." Nominees aren't appointed; they're elected. It is not the result of a New World Order conspiracy bent on keeping the Ron Pauls of the world from power. Voters may sometimes have chips on their shoulders; there are no controlling chips in their brains. Of course, the media can and do shape public opinion, but they only truly sing in unison when their candidate (read: any Democrat) has his hide on the line during the general election.
To truly understand why a RINO (Republican in Name Only) will likely win the nomination, we only have to consider the following poll numbers: Mitt Romney, 25 percent; Rick Perry, 16; Herman Cain, 16; Ron Paul, 11; Newt Gingrich, 7; and Michele Bachmann, 7. What is notable about this list? Romney, widely viewed as the most liberal of the major contenders, leads the pack. Is this because the Republican base now reflects the Massachusetts GOP?
Or is it because too many are dividing up the traditionalist-vote pie?
Note that every listed candidate but Romney is seen, generally speaking, as being of the right. Of course, many will point out that Perry and Gingrich are RINOs as well. But the critical factor is perception. The Texas governor is largely viewed as a conservative who has had dalliances with the Democrat devil; Gingrich is considered a conservative with too much personal and Beltway baggage; Paul is seen as a rightist libertarian with some outside-the-box views. But it's one thing to be a conservative who occasionally attends a liberal masquerade party.
It's quite another to...
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It is not my fault that we have Obama....I held my nose and voted for McCain. However, McCain is not nearly as bad as Ricardo Perry and Romney.....I won’t make that mistake again. As for purity, you damn right I want purity especially since we have four extremely great conservative candidates to chose from.....Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and soon Palin. So you are the pathetic Republican who throws a RINO at us and expect us to vote for them.....no thank you. And your stupid “illegal aliens are not the problem” is so stupid that I am stunned that you would even type something like that. You can have your alien lover Perry and vote for him....go ahead obviously you are an alien lover too. You disgust me!!!!!!!
Nicely said. Why not buy your Hope and Change bumper sticker now.
Perry is merely a different face of the same GOP Establishment coin. He is Bush's "compassionate conservative" moderate vrs the liberal wing of the GOP in Romney. It's the 2000 McCain vrs Bush fight all over again.
Perry is Romney lite. Like Bush he is another social conservative/political moderate talking tough to win the GOP primary. He will then go to DC and be a good little Establishment water-boy just like Bush.
The difference between Perry and Romney is which issues they will choose to focus on. Perry will be a staunch social conservative big spending, crony capitalist, Romney will be a social liberal, big spending, big government crony capitalist.
When give the choice of either Romney or Perry, Conservatives should say "neither".
Perry is merely a different face of the same GOP Establishment coin. He is Bush's "compassionate conservative" moderate vrs the liberal wing of the GOP in Romney. It's the 2000 McCain vrs Bush fight all over again.
Perry is Romney lite. Like Bush he is another social conservative/political moderate talking tough to win the GOP primary. He will then go to DC and be a good little Establishment water-boy just like Bush.
The difference between Perry and Romney is which issues they will choose to focus on. Perry will be a staunch social conservative big spending, crony capitalist, Romney will be a social liberal, big spending, big government crony capitalist.
When give the choice of either Romney or Perry, Conservatives should say "neither".
Neither Perry nor Romney should be the nominee.
Perry is merely a different face of the same GOP Establishment coin. He is Bush’s “compassionate conservative” moderate vrs the liberal wing of the GOP in Romney. It’s the 2000 McCain vrs Bush fight all over again.
Perry is Romney lite. Like Bush he is another social conservative/political moderate talking tough to win the GOP primary. He will then go to DC and be a good little Establishment water-boy just like Bush.
The difference between Perry and Romney is which issues they will choose to focus on. Perry will be a staunch social conservative big spending, crony capitalist, Romney will be a social liberal, big spending, big government crony capitalist.
When give the choice of either Romney or Perry, Conservatives should say “neither”
Very well said!!!!! Just say no to Perry and Romney!!!! I truly believe that Palin will announce soon and that will make all these other candidates mute anyway.
Cain, Perry and Sarah agree to meet to decide which of the three will challenge Romney for the nomination. To tell the truth, I think that most FReepers have their preference among the three — but I also think that most FReepers could support one of those three with considerable enthusiasm.
Wrong!!!! I will not support illegal alien lover Perry under any circumstances. However, Cain and Palin discussing your scenario, I can support.
Oh you “held your nose” and voted for McCain. Why not simply state: “I am completely insignicant and confuse posting on Free Republic with doing something to help our country.” Did you contribute $? Did you walk a precinct? Did you try to change the minds of your friends, co-workers, etc. What did you do other than vote (relatively meaningless) and post (absolutely meaningless) to try and change the election’s outcome. Where we agree is that in the primaries we should choose an extremely great conservative candidate (since Bachman hasn’t a chance of winning the general election and Santorum couldn’t even hold his seat in Penn., it’s kind of nutty to tag either as “extremely great”). But whether or not I love immigrants (e.g., Marco Rubio’s parents), the prize is removing the immigrant in the Whitr House. My friend, I ask you to keep your eye on that prize and if it means compromising once the Republicans select a candidate, please, please, please pour your heart into ridding this nation of the most poisonous man to ever hold the presidency.
It’s moot not mute.
Thanks.
One thing we agree on is that this is the primaries and this is where we discuss our differences. Sure I could have done more for McCain....I will admit that. And once we have our nomination than of course I will support the nominee, but that does not mean that at least on this site I won’t give my opinion on a particular candidate. That is 100 percent something I will do regardless of who I piss off for a particular moment.
The reason for Bachman’s rise and fall, Perry’s meteoric rise and fall and now Cain’s rise is because the conservatives are searching for a standard bearer. As each candidate gains support by being “the most conservative” and then loses it by exposing something previously unknown about themselves... the conservatives shift. Cain is currently the man, despite his lack of political leadership, because he is the strongest conservative still standing. This portends very well for Palin... and I can’t wait.
I have a question regarding delegates that maybe somebody here can answer.
Let’s say at the end of the primary season there are 2 contenders, A and B, with close to equal amount of delegates, but neither having the winning number.
Let’s also say there’s a third candidate C still in the race but obviously out of the running with a chunk of delegates that could put either of the 2 front-runners over the top.
If candidate C says to his own delegates: “I direct all of you to vote for candidate B”, what happens next?
Are the delegates of candidate C required to vote for candidate B? Are they very likely to vote for candidate B?
How much influence does candidate C have over what his own delegates will do if he clearly can’t win at the convention?
Thanks.
Sorry for being so harsh. I was pissed off. I’m 50. Parents immigrated (legally) when I was 2. Love America and so despise Obama and everything for which he stands (sophistry, mediocrity, Euro-fawning, racial politics) that I go beserk when we target Republicans with whom we differ rather than focus on removing from the White House the single greatest “home grown” threat to our republic since Benedict Arnold.
We CONSERVATIVES will not give you jack sh!t. Conservatives vote CONSERVATIVE... IF the elite force a rino on us... we walk to a third party... then it is YOUR FAULT LIBERAL (to the elite party leaders and money bag-men).
LLS
I like the idea of Cain, Perry and Palin getting together for some kind strategy session.
I don’t know about the poker.
However, I have to admit, it would be one heck of an interesting game and I’d definitely watch it.
Right on man. If R’s nominate Romney, another moderate like McCain, we lose in 2012. We need a supermajority in the house and senate and a constitutionalist president who has the guts, conviction, fiscal know-how, and leadership qualities to clean house and restore our republic. So far I like what I’m seeing with Herman Cain.
In reality, a lot of people are pragmatists, and quite impure in their conservatism. Superficiality also plays a factor in voting decisions.
Hence, if the Tea Party wants to win, they need an experienced candidate who people will believe can win, and can govern. This person should have the ability to gain the trust of enough voters, and be reasonably well-liked. And ideally, this candidate is as conservative as can be found with all the above traits and abilities.
If you look at the GOP field, you'll notice there is no such candidate running. And the weakest candidates are the Tea Party candidates--Bachmann and Cain.
Totally understand and agree we have to rid ourselves of that creep in the White House. Have a great day!!!!!!
In my humble opinion, a Romney nomination will guarantee a strong 3rd party and a Dem win. (and the death of the Republican Party)
Very very bad choice.
I would rather Rick Perry stay Governor of Texas. But, I am not anti-Rick. He is NOT a LIB. He never has been.
The best outcome could be a strong non-DC candidate selected at the Convention. It could happen.
I cannot and will not vote for Romney.....For anything, ever.
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