Posted on 10/12/2011 7:31:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell.You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
C.S. Lewis's famous "trilemma" confronts those who affirm the moral teachings of Christianity while distancing themselves from Christ's more difficult declarations about His deity, man's sinfulness, and the narrowness of the path to salvation. Jesus' famous "Golden Rule," is enthusiastically embraced in postmodern society while his other teachings are widely rejected. Accustomed to defining their own reality, postmodernists pick and choose from Jesus' teachings as if He offered them some kind of spiritual smorgasbord. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is selected as a delicacy, while "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me" is rejected as distasteful.
The tension between benign Christian morality and the exclusivity of the claims of Christ recently came into play when Baptist Preacher Robert Jeffress - by way of expressing his support for Rick Perry's presidential candidacy - asserted that Mitt Romney is not a Christian and that Mormonism is a cult. In an interview with Anderson Cooper, Jeffress clarified his point, explaining that from a theological perspective, Mormonism is considered a cult because it is outside the historical tradition of Christianity, it recognizes a human being (Joseph Smith) and not God as it's founder, and it regards extra-Biblical texts (The Book of Mormon; The Pearl of Great Price) as being on equal footing with Holy Scripture.
For his part, Cooper seemed offended that Jeffress would presume to judge the claims of another when it comes to religious identity. If someone says they are a "Christian," then who is to say otherwise? If the Mormon Church says it is Christian, then that is their truth and no one has a right to refute it.
This gets back to Lewis's "trilemma," and the dissonance that occurs when society affirms Christ's moral teachings, but rejects his other claims. As Lewis points out, Christ did not leave this way open to us. He made very specific assertions about His nature and that of humanity which we either believe or not. Therefore, we cannot all call ourselves "Christian" unless we empty the word of its meaning.
The Nicene Creed is one of the oldest and most widely accepted distillations of what Christians believe:
We believe in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is - seen and unseen. We believe in One Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten from the Father. God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one Being with the Father, through Him all things were made. For us and for our salvation, He came down from Heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit, He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered death and was buried. On the third day He rose again in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. We believe in one holy and catholic apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
This creed incorporates the historic tenets of the Christian faith.
Therefore, when an individual or group holds itself out as "Christian," it is a fair exercise to evaluate how their beliefs align with this historic affirmation. That's true whether Anderson Cooper likes it or not. Does Mormonism fit within the historic definition of Christianity or not? Do Mitt Romney's beliefs conform to what Christians over the centuries have affirmed or not? Does the word "Christian" have objective, propositional meaning or not? If it does, then isn't it fair to test the claims of those who call themselves "Christian" against those beliefs that have historically been associated with that religion?
Of course, we live in a free society and people can identify themselves however they choose, but merely saying something doesn't make it so. I can say I'm the Queen of England if it makes me feel good about myself, but this self-delusion won't carry any weight with those guarding the gates of Buckingham Palace.
Pastor Jeffress real sin in the eyes of Anderson Cooper may be that the Reverend deigned to mix religion with politics in an apparent attempt to create a political advantage. If that was the case, then Mr. Cooper's indignation may have been justified. Article VI of the United States Constitution provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." And long before our Constitution came into being, none other than Martin Luther declared, "I would rather be governed by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian."
That said, the question remains, "Are Mormons Christian?" Since Mormons assert that they are, isn't this a fair subject of public debate? Since religious truth claims have eternal consequences, isn't it in the public interest to examine the merits of those claims? The election of a Mormon president will likely do more than any other single event to mainstream Mormonism into American life, with all of the consequences attendant thereto. That being the case, why should the claims of that religion be any more immune from scrutiny than those of any other religion?
America will be a poorer country when we reach the point where discussions about religion and our eternal destiny can no longer be part of the public dialogue.
I agree with that, if he says he is a Mormon then his actions should prove that and follow the tenets of Mormonism. It looks to me like his religion is himself and the power he gets through politics. He has created and supported too many policies which are contrary to Mormon belief.
What bothers me is that Mormons support him even though he acts like a MINO so many times. It is just like blacks supporting blacks because he is black, not on his politics.
After WHICH election. The Primary? Because you can be sure that the Liberals will make it a focus of discussion if Mitt in our nominee in the General Election.
It is better that we are aware of every possible tool that will be used against our candidate NOW. Hopefully conservatives are smart enough to avoid the trap and nominate a true conservative - and not Mittwitt or Huntsman.
BTW, why are Mormon politicians so liberal if Mormons are such good conservatives?
I have found the following helpful in answering this question:
DEFINITIONS OF A CULT
The two most obvious example of cults are the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons believe many things that are in agreement with and/or similar to what the Bible teaches. However, they also believe numerous doctrines that are in clear contradiction to the Bible and the Biblical Gospel of salvation.
From a purely Biblical perspective, 2 Corinthians 11:4 gives us the clearest and most concise description of how cults may be discerned. False teachings, the apostle Paul warned here, will introduce three major errors to the unsuspecting in the name of Christianity:
- First they will preach their own determination of who Jesus Christ is, denying his Biblically revealed identity as God the Son and exchanging it with another. They'll point to "another Jesus."
- Second, cult teachers will proclaim a "gospel message" that is ultimately is a message of works-centered salvation, in sharpest contrast to the Good News of saving grace through faith in Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9). They'll preach "another gospel."
- Third, the revealed spiritual nature of the work of the cult claims to be, but actually is not, inspired by God the Spirit. Instead, a chilling reference is made to spiritual entities who lend tremendous spiritual power to their natural human puppets to preach deceptive gospels. They'll be empowered by "another spirit." This is the work of demonic agents in allegiance with Satan, the opposer of God throughout history.
In short, a cult will energetically claim to follow the Bible and be the only group to be found anywhere who really are interpreting it correctly (hence the rationale for some countercult workers calling some groups "Bible based"). Ultimately, once examined, a questionable group's doctrines will always deny orthodox Biblical truth in some manner.
CATEGORIES OF CULTS
TEN COMMON CHARACTERISTICS OF ABERRANT CHRISTIAN CULTS
Note: Any of the below is indicative of cults. The more attributes that apply, the more serious the problem.
OTHER SATANIC PRACTICES
Note: Sometimes, it helps to offer a contrast. As noted above, cults are organized "groups" of persons. The below are not formally structured, therefore are cannot be classified as a true cult but are similar in that they are evil, anti-Christian and have fanatic adherents.
Can bitter AND sweet water flow simultaneously from a spring? The Bible and Book of Mormon are in conflict and cannot co-exist without contradictions. Joe Smith was a Latter Day Mohammed and his revelation, like Mohammed’s, was false. Both doctrines of Islam and Mormon were progressively revealed to suit the Profit’s needs.
NO.
—Conservative should postpone this discussion until after the election.—
I disagree. I think it needs to be discussed right up to the selection of the Republican nominee. Then, when Romney is out of this thing, it can be dropped. It matters. A lot.
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859
Answer: Nope.
Duh..........Mormons believe in God, Christ and the Here After. They like other religions/dogma believe in Polygamy. Islam for starters...soooooo who is complaining about Islamic Polygamy?
Same thing with Masons....the low degrees of Masonry are just do-gooders, but the Lodge Leaders KNOW it;s a RELIGION...and it's NOT CHRISTIAN!!!
MOSt Mormons (not Harry Reid)even the leaders are good and decent people, as are most Masons.....they are just NOT Christians....PERIOD.
As Dennis Prager pointed out, the fact that an evangelical minister would regard Mormonism as a cult is not news. What nobody bothers to mention is that the Pastor would prefer Romney to Obama:
“The New York Times makes a big deal (or tries to) about Evangelicals distrust of Mitt Romney. At least, that’s what the article leads you to believe til the final paragraphs when the Evangelical pastor in question says that he would endorse Mitt Romney over the President in the next election. But who reads the news articles to the very end? People read the headline and the first few paragraphs. Do you think this tips you off to the NY Times’ agenda? They would love to stir up dissension between Republicans.”
I’ll second that!
Maybe we should not call them a Cult....they are a different religion like Buddha, Shinto, etc.
You will only vote for a Christian?
What I find disturbing is this. 30 years ago a Mormmon would not stand a chance of becoming president because Americans Christians would never go for it. Now they will. Further evidence of a serious downward decline of the church in America. (And I am not Christian)
I think you must be confused. Can you prove this assertion?
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Tell that to Utah, where in 2008 90+% of the primary vote went to Romney.
Coincidence?
Identity politics is a dangerous gambit.
I reject Romney as a pro-abort socialist pos and I’m sure as hell NOT going to vote for him either just because he’s the last man standing.
I suspect that is the “plan” being put in place by attempting to make Romney the front runner. Force everyone to get behind the R nominee, whoever it is, because we don’t want another 4 years of the current socialist douche bag.
You can compromise your principles and accept that which is being crammed down our throat, but don’t expect me to.
It is better that we are aware of every possible tool that will be used against our candidate NOW.
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#22 is a great post. NOW is the time for “vetting”.
What is disturbing is that we voted for a man who had to be corrected when he said, “... my Muslim faith ...”
I guess people prefer their cults online these days. ;-)
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