Posted on 10/14/2011 7:01:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz
Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
I met Bishop Bob Finn when he was a young seminarian studying at the American College in Rome back in 1978. He’s done all right for himself, advancing up the hierarchical ladder in Holy Mother Church. It’s a shame that he’s going to be catching flak over this.
I’m not quite sure what we’re fighting about, but apparently we both like to fight.
I’m advocating persons in authority- secular, religious or governmental- who, becoming aware of a felonious child abuser/pornographer in their jurisdiction report it prompty to the legal authorities.
You’ve been fighting me about what? My religious beliefs that bring me to the above conclusion?
I am human, alive and granted free will by virtue of that.
I am one LIVID Roman Catholic.
Witch Hunt? Tiny percentage??
Guess what, I don’t want ONE sick, pervert calling themselves a priest in the Church. NOT ONE. NO percentage is acceptable. And a witch hunt, in this case is FINDING WITCHES!
If any other religious group wants to excuse and tolerate such filth-I don’t care.I don’t want priests like this!
These sick EVIL men, and Anyone who protects them, should be dragged out of their rectories, shot and thrown in the nearest landfill.
I’d rather have ONE, hear me, ONE decent priest who lived their vows, on this planet, than put up with thousands who are diseased and evil.
Mata’s case will not help - until it gets to court and the court discovers her contact was not renewed, she was not let go for being a whistle blower, and she apparently had ulterior motives.
I know nothing about the KC Archdiocese, never met any of them.My wife’s family is Catholic in the area and my MIL has been almost physically sick about the crap that has been going on for 15-20 years now.
It’s been a problem way beyond here- maybe the celibate priest requirement fomented these issues.
Now I respect that- fellow Patriot!
Just who granted you that Free Will?
I then replied (off the cuff) that you misunderstood, but I have to take that back. You couldn't possibly have misunderstood. I think fundamentalism is, in its most benign form, naive.
Now, I don't know (other than what your remark indicated) or care anything about your religious beliefs. However, I do strongly support your right to be offended.
I find your dialectic, however circular, to be amusing.
You can never be sure of where someone stands when they are constantly circling around you.
I can plant on a Rock; can you?
I think you need to moderate your dosage, champ.
All this “what has our country become” on literally every single issue is a little tiring. There is no doubt the country has down a bad road on many issues.
This is not one of them. I mean we cannot live in complete lawlessness.
I feel the same as you. One priest, one bishop would be bad enough. But we have thousands worldwide, guilty of these crimes against children.
The problem is ancient, endemic, and ongoing:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/
Most states have had laws for a couple decades now requiring people in official type positions such as doctors, teachers, etc. to promptly report any evidence they run across of any child abuse, not just the sexual variety.
I believe the rationale behind this, which is not totally unreasonable, is that an adult is capable of and responsible for reporting any abuse committed against him. A child often does not know how to report, or even that he has the right to do so. Certainly children deserve and should be given extra protection beyond that given to adults.
I haven’t been to a physician for 30 years, except for required physicals.
I don’t believe in modern medicine, and don’t take any.
Not sure what you think I should back off of. The Truth of Jesus Christ?
Maybe I’m not the one with issues..
Exactly.
How does anyone think Christ would have reacted to someone raping one of the little children he suffered to sit at his feet?
I fail to understand how some find this issue difficult.
WWCP? (Who would Christ protect?) The adult male (I refuse to use the term man) who defiles His service by claiming to be His priest? Or the innocent child he victimizes?
Time to take off the tin foil hat. From John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter (a very liberal Catholic paper which most often is at odds with the Vatican):
In the public’s imagination, the Vatican is awash in priceless art, hidden Nazi gold, plundered treasures from around the world, and vast assets tucked away from prying eyes in the Vatican Bank. Reality is far more prosaic. To put it bluntly, the Vatican is not rich. It has an annual operating budget of $260 million, which would not place it on any Top 500 list of major social institutions. To draw a comparison in the non-profit sector, Harvard University has an annual operating budget of a little over $1.3 billion, which means it could run the equivalent of five Vaticans every year and still have pocket change left over. The Holy See’s budget would qualify it as a mid-sized American Catholic college. It’s bigger than Loyola-Marymount in Los Angeles (annual budget of $150 million) or Saint Louis University ($174 million), but substantially less than the University of Notre Dame ($500 million).The total patrimony of the Holy See, meaning its property holdings (including some 30 buildings and 1,700 apartments in Rome), its investments, its stock portfolios and capital funds, and whatever it has storied up in a piggy bank for a rainy day, comes to roughly $770 million. This is substantial, but once again one has to apply a sense of scale. What the Holy See calls “patrimony” is roughly what American universities mean by an “endowment” – in other words, funds and other assets designed to support the institution if operating funds fall short. The University of Notre Dame has an endowment of $3.5 billion, meaning a total 4.5 times as great as the Vatican’s.
But what of the some 18,000 artistic treasures in the Holy See, such as the Pietà, that don’t show up on these ledgers? From the Holy See’s point of view, these artworks are part of the artistic heritage of the world, and may never be sold or borrowed against. Michelangeo’s famous Pieta statue, the Sistine Chapel, or Raphael’s famous frescoes in the Apostolic Palace are thus listed at a value of 1 Euro each. In fact, those treasures amount to a net drain on the Holy See’s budget, because millions of Euros have to be allocated every year for maintenance and restoration.
The moral of the story is that the image of the Vatican as a playground for “masters of the universe” just isn’t reality. This is, for the most part, not an island of exaggerated privilege, but a normal bureaucratic environment in which the church’s civil servants are ordinary men and women trying to do their jobs as best they can.
The Scriptures must direct our lives; we hope they do not place us in conflict with the government; but if they do there is only one choice!
God Bless!
For someone only here 12 days, you sure got tired quick.
Mabe they keep two sets of books.
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