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Liberal Courts Still Gunning Against Second Amendment Rights
Forbes ^ | 10/18/2011 | Larry Bell

Posted on 10/19/2011 2:05:40 PM PDT by neverdem

Does the Second Amendment right to bear arms for self-defense extend outside the doorway of our homes? Well, no — at least not according to rulings of judges in California, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York and Virginia. Although 40 states currently mandate that permits shall be granted to allow all competent, law-abiding adults who seek them...

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On the other hand, it is certainly true that gun-rights advocates do assert a constitutionally sanctioned privilege for responsible, law-abiding citizens to protect themselves outside their homes, and that the vast majority of state governments agree.

To resolve any lingering doubt, the National Rifle Association is asking our nation’s highest court to take this issue up in the fall and “correct the widespread misapprehension that the 2nd Amendment’s scope does not extend beyond the home.” Stephen Halbrook, a NRA attorney, observes that this is necessary because “some judges have buried their heads in the sand and have refused to go one step further.” Even some conservative judges have admitted wariness about second-guessing such constitutional interpretations. As Judge J. Wilkinson who sits on the 4th Circuit Court wrote in March, “This is serious business. We do not wish to be even minutely responsible for some unspeakably tragic act of mayhem because in the peace of our judicial chambers we miscalculated as to Second Amendment rights.”

Given an abundance of other contentious public poll problems on its plate, the Obama Administration isn’t expected to encourage the Supreme Court to hear the question before 2012 election. In fact the Administration isn’t likely to do so until or unless it’s able to appoint another liberal justice to the bench in order to seal the deal.

Does this give you any ideas of how you might personally help influence whether or not this happens in the voting booth?

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bloodoftyrants; carryconcealed; donttreadonme; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 10/19/2011 2:05:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 10/19/2011 2:29:06 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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3 posted on 10/19/2011 2:52:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: neverdem
As Judge J. Wilkinson who sits on the 4th Circuit Court wrote in March, “This is serious business. We do not wish to be even minutely responsible for some unspeakably tragic act of mayhem because in the peace of our judicial chambers we miscalculated as to Second Amendment rights.”

Oh gee whiz... the vast majority of those who would want to be able to exercise armed self defense on their property but beyond their physical doors, are not crooks and probably even seldom get traffic or parking tickets. There's far more tragic mayhem from criminals because people are restricted from doing this, than would likely result from accidents because it was allowed.

4 posted on 10/19/2011 2:53:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: neverdem
Although 40 states currently mandate that permits shall be granted to allow all competent, law-abiding adults who seek them...

"We don't gotta show you no stinking permits!"

5 posted on 10/19/2011 2:54:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Judges do not like “self help” outside the courtroom.

Self help means judges and the courts can be bypassed by a citizen.


6 posted on 10/19/2011 3:15:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: neverdem

“On the other hand, it is certainly true that gun-rights advocates do assert a constitutionally sanctioned privilege for responsible, law-abiding citizens to protect themselves outside their homes, and that the vast majority of state governments agree.” Let me fix that.

On the other hand, it is certainly true that gun-rights advocates do assert a constitutionally sanctioned RIGHT for responsible, law-abiding citizens to protect themselves outside their homes, and that the vast majority of state governments agree.


7 posted on 10/19/2011 3:35:51 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: neverdem

Once Leftists target something, they never stop until their objectives are accomplished. They are relentless.

They will not stop until all private gun ownership in the United States is illegal. It may take 25, 50, or even 100 years, but they will not quit until they see it done. When it happens, they will refer to it as “progress”....


8 posted on 10/19/2011 4:30:28 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: neverdem
Which is why the Gunwalker scandal never got traction. The fedgov is just pretending it never happened, and continuing with the script.
9 posted on 10/19/2011 5:05:44 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 10/19/2011 9:08:01 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: redgolum
Which is why the Gunwalker scandal never got traction. The fedgov is just pretending it never happened, and continuing with the script.

Issa has subpoenaed Holder. Grassley said the investigation will go into next year. Let's see what happens.

11 posted on 10/19/2011 10:15:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: KoRn

“...Once Leftists target something, they never stop until their objectives are accomplished. They are relentless.

They will not stop until all private gun ownership in the United States is illegal. It may take 25, 50, or even 100 years, but they will not quit until they see it done. When it happens, they will refer to it as “progress”....”

I agree with ya. At some point I suspect that those with em will have no choice but to dispose of those that don’t....now that would be referred to as real “progress”.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 5:14:11 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: neverdem
As a life long resident of Illinois (yes, I'm ashamed) there's a 'few' things outright wrong just in the first paragraph. And others follow regarding Courts and Chicago Public Housing.
  1. Per the current IL Criminal Statutes on Firearms, our 'right' to defense of our Life and Property extends to every place ON our property. As in a Detached Garage, separated from the house by a yard. And the bigger your property like a Farm the farther your 'right' extends (Home Rule Cities vary on this matter like Chicago).

  2. Illinois does NOT issue a 'permit' to carry a handgun for anyone. Regardless of 'need' - period. And it never has.

  3. In Chicago Public Housing the 'Court' (7th Circuit Court of Appeals) ruled that if you live in a Government owned building, like the CHA, you must live by all their rules and regulations. By accepting their house you have ceded your 2nd Amendment right. This SUCKS, but just don't live in a Gubmint Building, problem solved. [Daley instituted this new Reg after Gang-bangers started using Public Housing Hi-Rises as Sniper's Nests. The last straw was when a little girl got shot and killed by a rifle from a couple blocks away]
Note - In Illinois all 'gun owners' must 1st have a 'FOID Card', issued by the IL State Police after a background check. 'FOID' stands for 'Firearms Owners ID'. It's a picture ID and one cannot 'legally' touch a gun or 'bullet' without having the STOO-PID card, even in your home. However just because you have the FOID Card does not mean you own any firearms. To use a friends gun at a range you need a FOID Card. It is not a 'License to carry', and not really a 'license' in the real sense of the word.

Yes we (our Pols) are BACKWARD and we're trying to change it (them). Even the Dems (not the Chi commieRATS) know IL is a laughing stock on firearms. We cam 'close' a year ago to passing CCW. So all hope is not lost.

Not admitting ANYTHING but if I had to go into 'da hood' you could bet I'd 'prolly' be carrying (again). They attack white folks for almost no reason now. And I'm too old now to take a beating. And I'm too mean to allow it ;-)

13 posted on 10/20/2011 6:16:20 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: longtermmemmory

Excellent & true. Our judicial demi-gods hate to be reminded that they’re only human.


14 posted on 10/20/2011 7:14:59 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Condor51

28 states trust me to conceal carry, but my home state, IL, doesn’t. That’s stupid.

Despite that, gun control is over in IL. Just his year 8 liberal and I mean liberal ladies went shotgunning on a lark. They loved it and can’t wait to go again, although they don’t own guns themselves.

I was just talking to a black SS alderman who stated emphatically that he’s for CCW in IL. He said, “There are good guns.”

I think we’ll see CCW in months.


15 posted on 10/20/2011 7:19:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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