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55-year-old man responsive after nearly being starved to death at hospital
Alliance Defense Fund ^ | 10/21/11 | Matt Bowman

Posted on 10/22/2011 1:35:56 PM PDT by wagglebee

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Although Sanger told his doctor and his mother “I want to live” before he went unconscious, Frederick Memorial Hospital removed the public-assistance patient from life-giving food, water, and nutrients on Friday with the permission of his wife.

The culture of death goes out of their way to find someone to agree to their murderous agenda.

1 posted on 10/22/2011 1:35:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/22/2011 1:36:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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A victim of forced dehydration/starvation has been saved!

3 posted on 10/22/2011 1:37:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 10/22/2011 1:38:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Ah so... Like Teri Schiavo, if the spouse wants you dead, you’re dead. Good thing for him his mom was still alive and kicking.


5 posted on 10/22/2011 1:41:05 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: wagglebee

Someone needs to go to prison....


6 posted on 10/22/2011 1:41:35 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: wagglebee

If the spouse is pushing for his quick death, there must be INSURANCE awaiting.


7 posted on 10/22/2011 1:42:22 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: wagglebee

This is a Schiavo like situation, except in this case there isn’t any controversy about whether the patient made his wishes clear (and those wishes were to remain alive). Seems to me that even from a purely secular point of view there are severe ethics problems with getting his wife to trump his wishes, especially this quickly. This is the leading edge of Obamacare’s death panels.


8 posted on 10/22/2011 1:43:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: wagglebee

Well...that marriage is finished. He should get as far away from that woman as possible.


9 posted on 10/22/2011 1:43:43 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: wagglebee
A victim of forced dehydration/starvation has been saved!

Temporarily as in the case of Terri Schindler. Ultimately, the spouse will kill him if she can. Remember how Jebbie Bush was first strong in adversity and then caved to allow Terri to be killed.

10 posted on 10/22/2011 1:43:59 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

Could be pecuniary, could be she hates his guts.


11 posted on 10/22/2011 1:44:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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12 posted on 10/22/2011 1:50:02 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Theodore R.

Bush did everything he could except turn up at the hospital with a gun in his hand. It was the GOP controlled State legislature that voted down the special bill he had had written just to save her, and the state and federal judges who turned down every appeal.

And Lynch, the corrupt, gay, evil bishop of the diocese, who should have been removed immediately, did not support Bush (a Catholic) and in fact forbade the priests in the diocese to visit Terri or bring her Communion. This was because they were afraid that it would be apparent that she could indeed take nourishment. A priest from outside (possibly Fr Pavone?) brought her Communion but I’m not sure he was allowed to give it to her.

Maybe Bush should have just charged in there and dragged her out, but I can tell you one disgraceful fact: there was no public support for saving her. I was there the day before she died, keeping vigil. It was thought that a huge group of people would show up, but sadly, the press outnumbered us. They had tents and cameras set up, and there we were, probably only about 50 people, mostly from out of state Evangelical and Catholic groups, trudging back and forth and praying under the amused eyes of the press.

Did you manage to make it to the vigil?


13 posted on 10/22/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: wagglebee

This is truly incredible. I hope he makes it out of the hospital.


14 posted on 10/22/2011 1:54:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: HiTech RedNeck

my exact thoughts. Would like to introduce this man’s wife to that monster, michael schiavo...they could start an organization supporting cruel folks who want to get rid of their spouses regardless of the spouses wishes.


15 posted on 10/22/2011 1:59:40 PM PDT by Republic (SO-uhbama sought help from romney MA healthcare authors? DUMP ROMNEY, no way will he kill obamacare.)
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To: livius
A priest from outside (possibly Fr Pavone?) brought her Communion but I’m not sure he was allowed to give it to her.

IIRC Father Pavone was allowed to give Terri the Eucharist (a crumb-sized amount) and administer Last Rites.

16 posted on 10/22/2011 2:02:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: livius

God bless you, livius. What you did then for Terri somehow may have been an assist, in the heavenlies even in this instance. God is outside time and space and perhaps your prayers were also, and fell in this case to someone else.
Very nice story of yours, I must say.


17 posted on 10/22/2011 2:03:46 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: wagglebee

Nothing new I nearly stave to death every time I was EVER in the hospital!


18 posted on 10/22/2011 2:11:14 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: wagglebee

It sounds like Leta only married Daniel so she could have the name Sanger. She should be locked in a room with Michael Schiavo, with a partition between them. Their hands should be drawn through holes in the partition, and chained, so that they can reach each other’s mouths, but not their own. They can each feed the other, but not themselves. Let them each depend on their doppelgänger for sustenance, and see how fast they starve to death.


19 posted on 10/22/2011 2:17:19 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

I’d rather go off and die in the woods someplace than be around that situation.


20 posted on 10/22/2011 2:18:33 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Kartographer

Is that supposed to be funny? Do you think it funny to label people “useless” and kill them?


21 posted on 10/22/2011 2:21:24 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

They wouldn’t allow people to do this to a dog.


22 posted on 10/22/2011 2:28:51 PM PDT by fanfan (The Province of Ontario shall be known as the Liberal version of Walkerton.)
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To: Theodore R.

Regarding Jeb bush...
I was there in person protesting at Terry schuavos nursing home. Jeb bush got dcf involved. They were enroute to physically get Terry when the powers to be were tipped off. It was literally going to be at gun point that they would have to take her. Jeb blinked. Terry died.

Something smelled of good old boy quid pro quo down here. Terry’s husbands attorney is a sick bastard. It was always about the husband getting the life insurance. Thanks to Terry’s parents it all got sucked up by his attorney. He got little if nothing.


23 posted on 10/22/2011 3:02:12 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: livius

Wow. We must have been virtually standing next to each other. I went there every day after work. Was there when j. Jackson showed up. First and last time we were on the same side. I got to meet Terry’s brother.

They arrested people every hour or so as they peacefully tried to walk in with a bottle of water.

I will never forget the tragedy.

I also attended the memorial. Glen Beck, before he was famous, spoke at the memorial. The tears. The heartbreak.

The husband would not even let the family have her body for the memorial.


24 posted on 10/22/2011 3:11:40 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: wagglebee

He’s younger than I am.

I wonder why his wife wanted to kill him?


25 posted on 10/22/2011 3:14:17 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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If ever there was justification for divorce.

I think he has a legitimate reason to press charges.

Thank God he was saved and not murdered.


26 posted on 10/22/2011 3:15:59 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wagglebee

“removed the public-assistance patient from life-giving food, water, and nutrients on Friday with the ****permission of his wife***.”

After he told her “ i want to live”. He needs to get rid of that one fast.


27 posted on 10/22/2011 3:20:44 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Dallas59
You rarely find doctors and nurses as patients in hospitals...we stay away from such places. It was amazing to me when I worked in the hospital how many people loved being there....Its a great concentration of unhealthy and deadly germs. But back then food and water were not considered extraordinary...I could not stand by and do nothing in a case like that. I'd have to leave the place first...don't understand how people that work in hospitals can do that...Nutrition is not extra-ordinary procedures...No patient would ever consider that if given the choice. Its no wear near the do not resuscitate order..and eventhose have to be witnessed by someone outside of the staff...

When my dad was in the hospital he desired a NO CODE and my son and daughter in law was visiting at the time and had to sign as witness to his desire...(he was in his 80's).

28 posted on 10/22/2011 3:34:24 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: wagglebee

This forcible starvation is becoming epidemic. When he recovers he needs to deal the wife who wanted him to be killed. I feel very sorry for him - thank God that others intervened to save his life. I hope no bad damage was caused to his body or brain from the lack of water, especially.


29 posted on 10/22/2011 3:34:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: BykrBayb

No, but I can’t decide if your over reaction is hilarious or very sad.


30 posted on 10/22/2011 3:56:57 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: livius

There was NO public support for saving her, on that you are obviously right. In fact most of the American people seemed to want her dead. In retrospect, I think if Jebbie had found a way to save her, he would be the 2012 nominee in waiting. Most of the people never understood the case because of faulty media coverage.


31 posted on 10/22/2011 3:59:15 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Republic

Actually, I think Schiavo already has such an organization or some of his cohorts do. Was it ever known how much Schiavo made off Terri’s killing?


32 posted on 10/22/2011 4:01:05 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: livius

No, I certainly was not at the vigil, but Senator Santorum was, wasn’t he?


33 posted on 10/22/2011 4:05:18 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Jeb could have saved Terri - but chose not to save her. This was a horrific murder. If Terri had been a convicted killer, there would have been a nationwide outcry.
34 posted on 10/22/2011 4:15:25 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Theodore R.

I think you’re very right. The media coverage was slanted against her from the start.

God only knows why the media wanted her dead, but then, I’ve never understood why it is always the well-off, comfortable, supposedly educated class who are so in favor of killing off people - including themselves. I think you’d find that most of Kevorkian’s clients came from this group.

Perhaps it’s because they don’t believe in anything, particularly in the future. They think that once they can’t go out and be masters of the universe, life isn’t worth living. And therefore they don’t care about other people’s lives, either, and in fact it sort of annoys them that “lesser beings” (meaning the elderly, the sick, the poor) want to live.


35 posted on 10/22/2011 4:30:17 PM PDT by livius
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To: Theodore R.

I believe Santorum had been there, but not at the time when I was there.

BTW, if you’re not from Florida, you may not know that Tampa-St Pete’s is a big Scientology area, and most of the people in power, in everything from the courts to law enforcement to local government, are either Scientologists or bought and paid for Scientologists - or are terrified of them. I think that also had a lot to do with the events in the Schiavo case.


36 posted on 10/22/2011 4:34:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: RitaOK

I think prayers never go to waste! As you say, prayers are prayed in eternity, and you never know to whom they may fall and who they may help. God uses everything, I think. And I have to believe that somehow we accompanied Terri during this suffering.


37 posted on 10/22/2011 4:39:50 PM PDT by livius
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38 posted on 10/22/2011 4:40:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: wagglebee

This is exactly the kind of story that makes me think twice about signing an advance directive to be an organ donor. Too much temptation for somebody to say, “well, he’s almost 60 and led a good life. Just think how many people he could help save with his organs”.


39 posted on 10/22/2011 4:42:53 PM PDT by mtrott
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To: sinanju

That was Florida, and that particularly despicable county in Florida.


40 posted on 10/22/2011 4:43:15 PM PDT by bvw
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To: livius
I think you’re very right. The media coverage was slanted against her from the start.

I think that Terri was actually a "test run" for future death panels. The media was constantly taking polls to see which line of BS the public seemed to be swallowing.

41 posted on 10/22/2011 4:43:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Donnafrflorida
Jeb bush got dcf involved. They were enroute to physically get Terry when the powers to be were tipped off.

The sheriff's dept there was fully lined up against Terri and her supporters, and I remember a deputy actually came and said something to us about staying back from the hospital and not trying to help anybody who arrived to bring her out. They were deadly serious about this.

The sheriff there at that time was a real crony of the Scientologists and also of the judge (Greene?) who was absolutely dedicated to killing Terri, and there had been a lot of corruption in his office.

42 posted on 10/22/2011 4:48:56 PM PDT by livius
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Last time I was in the hospital, I didn’t eat for ten days. Of course, I was conscious, and they fed me intravenously, but man, when they finally let me eat, I discoverd how GOOD Jell-o actually is.


43 posted on 10/22/2011 5:07:45 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: livius

Why would scientologists want her dead? I know they’re a messed up group, but what was their interest in Terri dying?


44 posted on 10/22/2011 5:10:18 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: mockingbyrd; livius
Google Lisa McPherson.
45 posted on 10/22/2011 5:32:49 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
More information here:

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=127430

Quotes from that article:

...Rohrersville resident Daniel Sanger has been hospitalized since suffering brain damage after a heart attack in July.

...On Sunday, hospital staff members removed his feeding tube with the permission of Sanger's wife, Leta Sanger, who said doctors told her the end result would be the same either way.

..."They said the result would be the same even with the feeding tube," Leta Sanger told The Frederick News-Post on Friday.

..."He can barely put two words together," she said. "He can't carry on a conversation."


46 posted on 10/22/2011 6:07:32 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Republic

I thought Mikey Shyster was going to spearhead a movement to do something very similar. But we never hear about him any more, while Terri themed support groups keep popping up from time to time. Did Mikey just slink off into the dark hole he deserved?


47 posted on 10/22/2011 6:35:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: TChad

Starve and thirst somebody for six days and “the result would be the same” as though they hadn’t? Say what? Maybe it wouldn’t be much more either but the poor schmoe never had a chance to show it.


48 posted on 10/22/2011 6:37:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: mtrott

One might at least want to accompany it with a more complete advance medical directive.


49 posted on 10/22/2011 6:39:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: mockingbyrd

Aren’t they ardent reincarnationists? Mikey wasn’t a Scientologist, and at least nominally Greer was a Baptist, but it would seem that they’d get no static from a religious group eager to see Terri pass on to a future incarnation in which she might eventually be clear of whatever celestial gunk was allegedly oppressing her.


50 posted on 10/22/2011 6:43:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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