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Why are Ace of Spades and HotAir Helping the Left Smear Cain Over his "China Nukes" Comment?
HotAir.com/AceOfSpades ^ | 11-02-2011 | Montag813

Posted on 11/02/2011 8:01:42 PM PDT by montag813

Herman Cain said this on PBS NewsHour last night, regarding his assertion of a growing military threat from China (VIDEO):

And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.

Immediately, the Left-wing blogosphere surged into action, ridiculing Cain for "not knowing that China has nukes". DailyKos, TPM, DU, HuffPost, the usual suspects.

I watched the interview live and immediately understood that Cain was referring to China developing nuclear aircraft carriers, and misspoke slightly. Perhaps I knew what most do not because I have read Stratfor's research since college. China does not have nuclear carriers now, and is feverishly working to build one, with the first expected off the blocks in 2020. I also knew about Cain's history with the Navy as a mathematician, during which time he calculated ballistic projections of nuclear weapons and the like, according to what he detailed in his book.

So I was stunned to see the so-called Conservative blogs Ace of Spades and HotAir.com (they've since edited the post) joining the left-wing ridicule of Cain, suggesting he didn't know China had nukes.

Ace of Spades: "I'm sure this is charming, or something....Personable guy. Great smile. Let's nominate him....I understand that part of this is just a show. Most presidential candidates don't "know" all the stuff they pretend they know. They cram, they get briefed....But again there's some very basic, very elementary stuff here that Cain seems to have missed....I don't think you should need to get briefed to know that China is in the Nuclear Club. The list of known members is small enough to... I was going to say memorize, but you don't have to memorize them, do you? You should just know it from day-to-day reading."

HotAir.com: "If you don’t like him and/or don’t trust him on policy, you’ll think he’s referring here to China developing a general nuclear capability, i.e. nuclear weapons. Which, as pretty much everyone in the world except maybe him knows, they’ve already had for decades. The way the sentence is phrased, with the two parts separated by “and,” it sounds like he’s distinguishing the nuclear component conceptually from the carriers. Could a guy who didn’t know what the “right of return” was and who whiffed on the biggest softball question ever about Gitmo really not know that China has a nuclear deterrent? I’m thinking … maybe. Although it won’t be spun that way tomorrow, needless to say."

Commenters on both sites were filled with descriptions of Cain as an "idiot", as "senile", as "stupid and ignorant", and "pathetic". Lovely.

Finally, it took a HotAir commenter who, like me, has also read Cain's book to set the record straight, as follows:

Herman Cain spent the Vietnam war evaluating the capabilities of the Chinese to deliver a nuclear weapon onto the heads of our forces in South Vietnam.
He examined the test launches of the Dongfeng 1 (SS-1) and plotted out the trajectories for a 500kg warheads.

When China started testing the Dongfeng 2 (CSS-1) Cain plotted out the trajectories and capabilities of it’s delivery of 15 kiloton nuclear weapons.

Both of these missiles were provided to the PRC by the Soviets, Cain analysed data from the Russian test launches and determined the risk to U.S. troops in SE Asia.
Cain also observed the development of China’s first domestically produced missile, Dongfeng 3 (CSS-2) and plotted out it’s use with China’s 15-20KT fissile devices as well as China’s new thermonuclear devices.

Finally, Cain was involved in the determination that China’s Dongfeng 4 (CSS-3) was capable of delivering both fissile and thermonuclear devices to both Moscow and Guam as well as cover the entire deployment of U.S. forces in SE Asia.

Cain is clearly well aware of China’s nuclear missile capability, the only reasonable conclusion is that Cain was indeed referring to China’s attempts to develop and sail their first nuclear aircraft carrier and their attempts to develop more dangerous nuclear cruisers.

Only a blithering idiot would think, given Cain's extensive experience, that he would not KNOW China possessed nuclear weapons. We expect such idiocy from our enemies at left-wing blogs. We expect a lot more from those who presume to be our friends.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aceofspades; cain; china; herbcain; hermancain; hotair; hotaircom; mittromney; nukes; rino; rinos; romneybots; smear

1 posted on 11/02/2011 8:01:52 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

I quit HA ages ago when MM sold the site and realized AllahPundit seemed to be such a squish GOP Establishment drone.


2 posted on 11/02/2011 8:04:19 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: montag813

I loathe Hot Air. I smelled RINO dung every time I used to go there. Now I have unfavored it from my Bookmarks. It’s just an airless vacuum to me now of prissy establishment writers and commenters.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 8:09:16 PM PDT by JohnBrownUSA (Don't Tread On America!)
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To: montag813

That’s not a fair criticism of Ace of Spades, he vindicated Cain with two different citations in this post:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/323293.php


4 posted on 11/02/2011 8:10:10 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: montag813

So Cain should be granted a pass for every ignorant thing he utters? Now that’s an intelligent way to select a candidate for POTUS.


5 posted on 11/02/2011 8:10:30 PM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin, Palin, Blackwell & Sowell do.)
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To: montag813

They all must be rommibots.


6 posted on 11/02/2011 8:10:44 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: montag813

Not surprised about Hot Air. They have gone downhill since Malkin sold it.

Ace, however, is disappointing. They usually are top notch at seeing through these things. I know Viv isn’t crazy about Cain but that isn’t reason to get into the BS.


7 posted on 11/02/2011 8:12:06 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: montag813

An atheist like Allah Pundit, and a homosexual pro-abortion progressive feminist like Tammy Bruce, should never be considered “conservatives”.


8 posted on 11/02/2011 8:14:14 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: montag813

I hope you realize this is Cain’s fault. He has allowed himself to be defined as “former CEO of Godfather’s pizza” and little else.


9 posted on 11/02/2011 8:15:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: montag813

How dare they have different opinions and criticize candidates for verbal gaffes!

Cain is a novice and gives pretty bad answers quite frequently - only to come back and correct himself later. He has done this with Right of Return, Abortion, Prisoner Swaps, the Chinese nuke issue, etc. He should be criticized for poor responses. What is the problem with that? Conservatives should be vetting these candidates and that means we don’t treat anyone with kid gloves.


10 posted on 11/02/2011 8:16:21 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Mount Athos
That’s not a fair criticism of Ace of Spades, he vindicated Cain with two different citations in this post:

Nonsense! He went off half-cocked, ridiculing Cain - an EXPERT in nukes and nuclear trajectories, which he wrote in his book, and has discussed in more than a dozen TV interviews. I don't care that he LATER walked it back. They gave fuel to the Left-wing fraud. Fake "conservative" WaPo columnist Jennifer Rubin was on Anderson Cooper tonight asserting that Cain did NOT know that China had nukes. NEVER help the enemy. Do your damn homework. FReepers do proper research, I expect the ad-supported flashy blogs to do the same.

11 posted on 11/02/2011 8:16:24 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

Why? Because the Rich and Powerful of both parties do not wish to lose their status ... and they’re doing everything they can to insure that Obama wins a second term.

They all know that the only person who can confront Obama on a visceral level is another black man ... in this case, a successful American businessman who happens to be black.

Cain vs UnAble-Obama ... an American black versus a half-white, half-Kenyan.

We The People must insist that the GOP hierarchy support the only true black American candidate ... Herman Cain.


12 posted on 11/02/2011 8:16:50 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I am Roman Catholic, US Citizen, Patriot, TEA Party Alumni, Oath Keeper, Voter, Auburn Fan!)
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To: montag813

Respect for your fellow man I see has pretty much been destroyed in favor of inuendo.

Why don’t these people just come out and tell the truth. I am still hot about Mark Levin (who I like) and people who question Obama’s eligibility.

Damn it, quit blaming the decent voter and tell us the damn truth instead of threatening us or making up or putting s spin on stories. I am sick of it. They are just making things worse and making themselves look very small.


13 posted on 11/02/2011 8:17:46 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: montag813

Because they are too imprecise to point out that in being precise, Cain should have used the word Delivery.


14 posted on 11/02/2011 8:18:39 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "St.Sarah, the1Tru Conservative that REFUSES to unite us and Save America")
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His statement wasn’t a gaffe China is working on a 93k ton Nuclear powered aircraft carrier and a new generations of nuclear subs that will give them nuclear capabilities they haven’t had before.

Capabilities and weapons are not the same thing.


15 posted on 11/02/2011 8:18:44 PM PDT by Leto
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Just when you think politics can’t get any dirtier.
Where was the media on Clinton with Flowers, Paula, Willy, Broderick?
Where was the media with JFK
Where was the media with John Edwards.

Where was the MSM with Weiner?

Where was the media on Obama and every single piece of history to his past?
Now they found an OVER decade old story on Cain making a GESTURE that made a woman UNCONFORTABLE!!!!


16 posted on 11/02/2011 8:19:08 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Longbow1969
He has done this with Right of Return, Abortion, Prisoner Swaps, the Chinese nuke issue, etc.

He admitted he didn't know what the right of return was. He then said he leaned about it. Would a businessman know such diplomatic details? Does it matter? Did Rick Perry knew either (we'll never know)?

17 posted on 11/02/2011 8:19:50 PM PDT by montag813
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To: JohnBrownUSA
HotAir is %100 for Romney.

They use weasel language like National Review and apologize for Obama... they are also 2-3 days late with news.

The problem is HotAir receives more traffic than any other conservative site. So, they can do whatever they want.
18 posted on 11/02/2011 8:21:02 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: montag813

Of course Cain knows of China’s nukes... but still... the way he said it. It seems part of a pattern. It’s not that he talks without thinking. It’s more like his mouth outruns his thoughts. Not unsolvable.... but definitely needs work. It’s early. He’s smart. I just hope his advisors are better than his FR hardcores and are telling him more than “it’s all the media out to get you”.


19 posted on 11/02/2011 8:21:19 PM PDT by samtheman (Newt, can you refute... global warming? You really have to do that.)
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To: montag813

I don’t get the big deal people are trying to make over this.

Among the members of the nuclear club, is anyone but China currently developing new nuclear weapons? We sure as hell aren’t.

The idea that a former Navy missile ballistics employee wouldn’t know about China’s nukes is absurd.


20 posted on 11/02/2011 8:25:08 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: montag813

I understood the comment Herman made, too. I was mad when I heard Laura Ingrahm dissing Cain this morning on her radio show. She was making a big deal about the China thing, too.


21 posted on 11/02/2011 8:36:16 PM PDT by vickixxxx
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To: montag813

Ace was on the edge for a while but I realized a month or so back he went the way of LGF and I haven’t visited his site since. He just fell in love with sticking his pinky out while sipping pink cocktails with the beltway bunch a little too much.


22 posted on 11/02/2011 8:37:59 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: montag813

Hot Air lives up to it’s name. Might as well call itself “Hot Little Green Air Balls”


23 posted on 11/02/2011 8:47:58 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: montag813
Be thankful this is happening NOW before Republican White Guilt elevated Cain into the nomination.

Herman Cain is a bullsh!t artist who has Republicans believing in rainbows and fairy dust the same exact way Obama had Democrats believing in 2008.

Cain would be a DISASTER for the GOP.

24 posted on 11/02/2011 9:19:01 PM PDT by sklar
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To: montag813

Ace rocks. Very fair criticism of a monumental and telling blunder by Cain. All of the GOP candidates are flawed. Are we at the point we can’t criticize a GOP blunder?


25 posted on 11/02/2011 9:27:54 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: jla
So Cain should be granted a pass for every ignorant thing he utters?

Cain used to model nuclear missile capabilities.

To suggest he doesn't know of China's nukes makes you look as stupid as...well, as stupid as a certain famous Texan who used to be (briefly) in contention for the GOP nomination.

Now that’s an intelligent way to select a candidate for POTUS.

It's a helluva lot better than voting for someone because, um, well, cause, "Gig 'Em Aggies!"

And save a Pretzel for the Gas Jets!

Cheers!

26 posted on 11/02/2011 9:31:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
HotAir is %100 for Romney.

Same thing with Michael Medved. He was all over Cain on Friday, knocking him from every angle he could think of. Nothing personal or partisan, of course ......

.....just Michael's urgent need to help primary voters find the Best Candidate, the Most Prepared, the Most Eligible Candidate Whose Turn It Is ...... which (no favoritism here) just happens to be Mitt Romney.

<barf!>

27 posted on 11/02/2011 9:38:39 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: MattinNJ
All of the GOP candidates are flawed. Are we at the point we can’t criticize a GOP blunder?

Gee, I guess you're right. Guess we need to look more closely at the GOP candidates the MSM have given a pass ..... who know how to hold their fire, who don't make criticizable statements, who are the best-qualified by background and education (Ivy League, of course) ..... and who can reasonably say "I've put in the time, I've done the work, I've helped my Party and other Republicans; it's my turn."

You've sold me, I guess I'll have to vote for Mittens.

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28 posted on 11/02/2011 9:44:21 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Romney? Surely you jest. We are in deep trouble. Cain misspeaks all the time-I am sure he meant something else when talking about China. Perry has a track record but sounds like a dunce. Newt is brilliant but his baggage is overwhelming. Romney make Kerry look consistent. SCOTUS picks are on the line and our candidate needs coattails so we capture the Senate. Someone else needs to get in, IMHO. How about drafting the Va. Governor?


29 posted on 11/02/2011 10:05:39 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: vickixxxx

“I was mad when I heard Laura Ingrahm dissing Cain this morning on her radio show. She was making a big deal about the China thing, too.”

Maybe you could call her show or email her?


30 posted on 11/02/2011 10:11:47 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: MattinNJ
Romney? Surely you jest.

I take it you saw the "sarc" tag ......

For these guys to go off on Cain, who has a track record in the area of nuclear weaponry and delivery systems, they have to have deliberately misconstrued what he meant about "nuclear development" which hasn't stopped from Day One until now over in China.

The other posters make a pretty good case that this was Romneybots crawling on Cain ..... just, as I pointed out somewhere, as Michael Medved was doing last Friday on his show. Gee, sorry, no offense, but anybody but Mitt the Man sux!!

Et cetera.

31 posted on 11/02/2011 10:33:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: vickixxxx
I was mad when I heard Laura Ingrahm dissing Cain this morning on her radio show.

Laura, too? That's too bad -- I really like her.

Something else must be going on here. Mittens must be sending his Mephistopheles around to all the talk-show hosts, telling them that the view from 40,000 feet is that only he can beat Obama, only he has this, that, and the other (like, mostly money), and that they owe it to the Party and the country to help drown all the GOP puppies, just scoop 'em up, put 'em in the sack with a brick, and put them out of their misplaced misery; they have no place in GOP primary politics and will just screw us up in the general next year.

Puppy-drowning time at the old RNC Ranch, Karl Rove, Head Wrangler.

"Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind."

Especially with the unlettered hoi polloi who aren't members of the New York Yacht Club.

32 posted on 11/02/2011 10:42:48 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: MattinNJ
"Someone else needs to get in, IMHO. How about drafting the Va. Governor?"

I'll second that. (But is it too late?)

33 posted on 11/02/2011 11:18:07 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: montag813
Wheres Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson? Can't they come to this mans defense?
34 posted on 11/02/2011 11:24:00 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: samtheman
I think the problem is that he is talking with people in the media as if they know what he knows. He has to remember the average talking head is dumb as a post, and the pundits are often little better off.

I'll prempt comments for insulting posts by saying many are smarter than the talking heads.

35 posted on 11/02/2011 11:55:01 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Something else must be going on here.

Sure there is. Imagine blogging away with flashy site and ad revenue when Clinton was POTUS, or even in the Bush years when the MSM gave lots of handy stuff to slash and burn on your website.

Now imagine a capable and Conservative POTUS.

The column inches come harder if that happens, the hits fade away, and the ad revenue drops.

After all, there's money to be made trashing the liberals out there...including RINOs.

36 posted on 11/02/2011 11:59:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: jla

“So Cain should be granted a pass for every ignorant thing he utters? Now that’s an intelligent way to select a candidate for POTUS.”

Aristotle taught that the most important element of political speech is the character of the speaker.

I learned from the Carter years that detailed knowledge on a myriad of subjects is no indication that a person will make correct decisions or display integrity.

Ignorance may not be wonderful, but neither is it corruption, malice, stupidity, cowardice, or a number of other traits often detected in “knowledgeable, experienced” politicians.

I don’t care if he has to take an hour to get up to speed on right of return. Chairman Maobama purportedly knows all about it, but the odds of him doing anything right are virtually nil.

We don’t need another establishment politician. We need someone who will say, “What political career?” and do the right thing whatever the cost.

That derives from character, not from being a champion at world history trivial pursuit.


37 posted on 11/03/2011 2:10:02 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: montag813

Without Michelle Malkin at the helm that ship as run a ground on some serious rocks and sinking quickly.


38 posted on 11/03/2011 2:15:07 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Look, Smokin’ Joe, you’re trying to sugar-coat it. The talking heads and pundits aren’t any smarter when they are talking to walking dunces like Obama and Biden, are they? And yet Obama and Biden never get called on any of the stupid stuff they spew all day long, do they?

No, Joe, it’s not that the talking heads and pundits are stupid — though of course you’re right, they are — it’s that they are in a WAR AGAINST CONSERVATIVES. It’s a war that’s in progress 24 hours 7 days a week 52 weeks a year.

And it’s Cain’s inexperience in that war that leads him to fall into such easy traps set for him by the every-watchful Enemy.

I wonder how well served Cain is by his current staff in this war. I wonder how much Cain has learned in recent weeks from his own bruising battles in this war.

Whatever the answers are, no true Cain supporter can do anything but worry about what those answers actually are.


39 posted on 11/03/2011 4:05:31 AM PDT by samtheman (Newt, can you refute... global warming? You really have to do that.)
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To: montag813
I missed this whole 'China-Nuke' thing. But from what I see here it appears he was talking about delivery systems but forgot to clarify it.

That being said, if this was Obama talking we all know we could bet the rent that on PBS or anywhere in the MSM, Obama would have been stopped and 'corrected', like Barry had the chance with his 'My Muslim Religion' Freudian slip.

And, where were all the leftist pundits & MSM on Barry and his 'I don't speak Austrian' blunder? (granted the 'accent' (dialect) spoken in southern Germany and Austria IS different(1) but it's still German). That was just one of a hundred 'flubs' by our 'genius' (moron) POTUS.

Anywho, Herman knew this junk would be coming. He can handle it. Unlike Barry who would sic the Big Sis's DHS on anyone who dared challenge his 'intelligence'.

(1) My German born wife can't understand a few of their words and she can sprechen Deutsch fluently

40 posted on 11/03/2011 5:36:07 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: MattinNJ
Ace rocks. Very fair criticism of a monumental and telling blunder by Cain. All of the GOP candidates are flawed. Are we at the point we can’t criticize a GOP blunder?

A "monumental blunder"? Can't you read? The man in an EXPERT on nuclear missiles and ballistic capabilities. There was no blunder. Grow up. Ace was an idiot to blast him like that, and later backed down.

41 posted on 11/03/2011 5:38:51 AM PDT by montag813
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To: samtheman
Well, they said Cain's campaign would be unconventional. Most Conservatives already realize the abuse of 'abuse' out there,and the use of thin-skinned sensitivities to garner funds through lawsuits.

They also know what a minefield being an employer--or even employee has become with people out there just looking for an opportunity to play lawsuit roulette and see if they can cash in, and that includes their attorneys.

So who are these elusive allegations going to affect? Is this going to resonate more with the people who have been walking on eggshells in their workplace, hoping and praying they won't make some comment which will be misunderstood, ill heard, or otherwise used to burn them at the stake just a year or two before they can retire? Or will it convince liberals not to vote for Mr. Cain? (as if they needed convincing).

While there are those who keep the pitchfork in the corner, ready for a witch-hunt, those who have seen the results of this crap just get peeved--especially in the absence of facts and accusers.

It has also exposed some in the media who were allegedly 'conservative' as being ready to hang anyone for a headline, without waiting for facts.

42 posted on 11/03/2011 7:30:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

One good thing you can say about Rick Perry (who I formerly supported but now no longer consider viable) he pushed and got tort reform in Texas.

And that’s what we need everywhere.


43 posted on 11/03/2011 7:40:58 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2801863/posts)
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