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Bachmann says all Americans should pay taxes
pioneer press ^ | 11-3-11 | Philip Elliott

Posted on 11/03/2011 6:39:14 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

DES MOINES, Iowa - Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann is telling college students in politically important Iowa that all Americans should pay taxes since they all benefit from services such as roads and bridges, national defense and the courts. Her position, which she was outlining today at Iowa State University in Ames, is a direct challenge to rivals Rick Perry and Herman Cain, who are advocating plans that would allow low-wage earners to continue paying no taxes while implementing a form of a flat tax on all other workers. The Tax Policy Center estimates that some 46 percent of households this year will not pay federal income taxes.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 46; antimitt; antimittens; bachmann; fair; freecheese; freeride; income; incometax; inthewagon; moocherclass; moretaxes; parasites; tax; taxes; taxhike; taxincrease
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if you don't have skin in the game, do not pass go, do not collect 'Earned Income Tax Credit'.
1 posted on 11/03/2011 6:39:22 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

2 posted on 11/03/2011 6:41:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

She’s absolutely right. God required everyone pay 10%-both rich and poor. And He’s a lot smarter than our politicians.


3 posted on 11/03/2011 6:42:43 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

thanks. I was wondering how long before he appeared.


4 posted on 11/03/2011 6:43:04 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Michele who?

I know I should recognize the name...


5 posted on 11/03/2011 6:43:10 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2801863/posts)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

For once she opens her mouth and does NOT sound like a friggin’ moron.


6 posted on 11/03/2011 6:44:17 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And I agree with her.

So does Herman Cain. This is why he has a 9% sales tax in his plan. And many FReepers can’t stop whining about that.


7 posted on 11/03/2011 6:45:41 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

and even if those taxes are used to buy obama’s books and pass around


8 posted on 11/03/2011 6:46:41 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Marie

Yeah, silly whiners complaining about giving the feds the ability to tax everything we buy. What a bunch of simps! TAX TEA NOW! And everything else! Yay!


9 posted on 11/03/2011 6:47:02 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“Vote for me so I can raise your taxes.” Well that should send her poll numbers soaring.


10 posted on 11/03/2011 6:47:59 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Huck

Yeah, I hear you. But, at least the sales tax forces the freeloaders to ante up to some extent.


11 posted on 11/03/2011 6:49:40 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I agree with her. However, if Cain and Perry get their way and the 46% of the population who don't pay federal taxes and get federal subsidies, I can live with that, too, provided that any person who does not pay federal income taxes does not get to vote in federal elections. After all, if you've got nothing in the game, why should you have any voice in how the game is played?
12 posted on 11/03/2011 6:50:10 AM PDT by econjack
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To: mtrott

“But, at least the sales tax forces the freeloaders to ante up to some extent.”

Exactly. Why should my family have to pay more to offset the money not paid by a drug dealer? Or a fisherman who cooks the books so he can work under the table? Or a stripper who takes in $1000 a night, but claims $40?

Everybody pays a truly fair tax.

The only reason I’m cool with 999 being 909 for the lower income households is that it’s the only thing that’ll pass.


13 posted on 11/03/2011 6:53:38 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: mtrott
But, at least the sales tax forces the freeloaders to ante up to some extent.

Ridiculous. There would be "prebates", credits, exemptions, etc. It's totally insane to think it is a panacea. It's just a new mode of taxation.

It is funny, though. The Tea Party wants to tax tea. I mean, you can't make this stuff up. 9-9-9 is worse than the Townsend Acts for crying out loud. But it's funny.

Tax Everything Already--Herman Cain's version of the Tea Party platform. And people buy in! Surreal.

14 posted on 11/03/2011 6:54:54 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: econjack

“... provided that any person who does not pay federal income taxes does not get to vote in federal elections. After all, if you’ve got nothing in the game, why should you have any voice in how the game is played?”

Agreed.

It used to be that only land owners should vote. It was that way for a reason.


15 posted on 11/03/2011 6:55:10 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: SoJoCo

Sooner or later the issue of millions not paying any federal income taxes MUST be addressed. Better do it now, while we at least have 50% paying taxes. If it gets to 40% paying taxes, the country is doomed. Should we let poll numbers cause us to accede a to socialist, collectivist nation?


16 posted on 11/03/2011 6:55:51 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Bachmann is absolutely right.

EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN SHOULD PAY TAXES!

When my wife and I were in college (we came out with NO debt!) I earned $200 a month. I paid $5 a month federal income tax. We lived on $195 a month--and paid tuition out of that!

It was starvation wages. We slept on naked springs supported by concrete blocks--cooked on a hot plate.

This was hard for me. I was from a dirt-poor family and was mighty tired of poverty! My wife was from a very rich family--accustomed to luxury, and certainly not to poverty--and we received no help from her family (who didn't like me and resented our circumstances) (frankly I didn't blame them).

We managed.

I was a millionaire at age 40--

A multimillionaire at age 43!

The reason: SELF-RELIANCE!

When Leftist Jackasses start talking to me about the need for government handouts--THEY ARE TALKING TO THE WRONG PERSON!

17 posted on 11/03/2011 6:55:56 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A backwoods southern lawyer is a safer trustee for your soul than a Washington politician.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Everyone should pay taxes.

In a fair America, if you take government handouts you should lose the right to vote while doing so.


18 posted on 11/03/2011 6:56:39 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
NO TAXES PAID = NO VOTE!

Simple as that.

19 posted on 11/03/2011 6:57:44 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: mtrott

The good news is 9-9-9 has no shot at all. It’s absolutely toxic to normal people. The bad news is that if Cain wins the nomination, and sticks with this plan, Obama has a GOOD chance of reelection.


20 posted on 11/03/2011 6:58:03 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

At the very least, if you dont pay taxes you shouldn’t get to vote on issues involving taxes & how they’re spent.


21 posted on 11/03/2011 6:59:41 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: WOBBLY BOB

AMEN!! EVERYONE needs to have skin in the game!!! And I don’t mean just SS and Medicare!!


22 posted on 11/03/2011 7:00:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SoJoCo

Hello Newbie.....do you not pay federal income taxes?? EVERYONE needs to pay the SAME PERCENTAGE!!!!


23 posted on 11/03/2011 7:01:53 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Marie
And I agree with her. So does Herman Cain. This is why he has a 9% sales tax in his plan. And many FReepers can’t stop whining about that.

Plus people who don't earn income benefit by using roads and stuff, Cain plain takes it a step above and taxes those who do not pay income tax, illegals, tourist, drug dealers, etc.... How does Cain's 999 plan not tax the wealthy, not sure where they got that from.
24 posted on 11/03/2011 7:03:26 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: Huck

Well, I agree that if it is going to be watered down with such exceptions, then there is no point. They have to pay something. I would go for a graduated plan that ran from say, 4%, up to 9% on the sales tax. But they have to pay at least the 4%. It is the principle that is important. We need everybody to have skin in the game. That way, they will think twice about more grand, nanny state programs coming down the pike.


25 posted on 11/03/2011 7:03:36 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The leftard reply to that would be the poor do pay taxes...
and cite the tax on the bottle of OE they bought with their EBT card.


26 posted on 11/03/2011 7:03:50 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I agree with Bachmann. She’s one gutsy lady.


27 posted on 11/03/2011 7:05:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mtrott
Should we let poll numbers cause us to accede a to socialist, collectivist nation?

If you don't get elected then you can't make any changes.

28 posted on 11/03/2011 7:06:15 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Ann Archy
Hello Newbie.....do you not pay federal income taxes?? EVERYONE needs to pay the SAME PERCENTAGE!!!!

If a candidate ran on a platform promising to double or triple the amount of taxes that you yourself pay then would you vote for them?

29 posted on 11/03/2011 7:08:34 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: mtrott
Yeah, I hear you. But, at least the sales tax forces the freeloaders Democrat voters to ante up to some extent. FIXED
30 posted on 11/03/2011 7:29:36 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: SoJoCo

So...then should we lie or obfuscate the truth to try to win votes? Sounds a bit familiar, doesn’t it?


31 posted on 11/03/2011 7:34:22 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Bachmann nails another common sense approach. Every able-bodied citizen pays something. It is time the parasites were weaned before they kill the host.


32 posted on 11/03/2011 7:37:23 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Grunthor

Your snide remarks are misdirected. You should be focusing on the enemy in the white house, not this fine candidate—she is not the enemy, but a friend of freedom.


33 posted on 11/03/2011 7:39:08 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: mtrott
I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The Congress can find ways to create exceptions to any tax program. And skin in the game isn't going to change that.

Say you are a progressive. You are now faced with an odious national sales tax. Is that going to make you suddenly realize that government spends too much and taxes too much, and that self-reliance is the way to go? I doubt it.

All it will do is inflame the same old ideas---tax the rich. And at some point a Congress and president will be able to do it. And in the meantime, they'll STILL have the new sales tax. But now, it'll come with various exemptions or rebates or whatever scheme is needed to make the system "progressive." There's no ifs about it.

Mode of taxation is not the issue. Spending is the issue, and the ideology of those who want to spend--socialism. No tax gimmick is going to fix that, and some--like 9-9-9, will make it worse.

The best argument for changing the mode of taxation is growth. But why not tax imports? We barely tax them at all now. We used to derive 80-90% of our needed revenue that way. What changed?

In recent times, import taxes have been derided as a tax on consumption! The argument was you would be raising prices on consumer goods! Well? Why is it suddently OK to tax ALL consumption, but not OK to tax imports?

Talk about fairness? Take a look at what our imports are taxed in other countries! I'm not talking about protectionism. I am not advocating "protecting" ineffeciency at home by taxing efficiency overseas. I'm talking about raising the necessary revenue to run our government.

If you want to tax consumption, start with imports. That's a consumption tax that is avoidable, that favors (but does not protect) domestic growth and jobs, and was a system good enough for the founding generation of Americans.

And CUT SPENDING!

34 posted on 11/03/2011 7:42:25 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

everyone should pay and income tax day should be the day before election day.
there should be no withholding- everyone should have to write a check.
this way everyone has a short memory, hand cramps and bad attitude ready to toss the rat bastards out.


35 posted on 11/03/2011 7:44:04 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: SoJoCo; Norm Lenhart; little jeremiah; Jim Robinson

“Vote for me so I can raise your taxes.” Well that should send her poll numbers soaring.”

You seemed to have missed the point: she has rightfully suggested that all able-bodied citizens must pay something. She was not referring to those who already pay taxes. The fact that almost 50% pay no federal income taxes is the issue—get it. This is not sustainable. Which category are you in?


37 posted on 11/03/2011 7:47:20 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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Wake Up And Donate!


Click The Pic

Let's Make The Bar Yellow!

38 posted on 11/03/2011 7:49:51 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Problem is 50% are not paying federal income taxes and this same demographic get most of the federal handouts—they will continue to vote for the demrats that give them the most in gov’t checks.


39 posted on 11/03/2011 7:51:48 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Huck
Bull, under 999 there is no IRS, so the unearned income tax credit goes away. And they will be paying taxes on the dope and hoe money instead of it being tax free income..
40 posted on 11/03/2011 8:41:20 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
You seemed to have missed the point: she has rightfully suggested that all able-bodied citizens must pay something. She was not referring to those who already pay taxes. The fact that almost 50% pay no federal income taxes is the issue—get it. This is not sustainable. Which category are you in?

I understand what she's saying. And I assure you I already pay a goodly amount in income taxes. And while I would be highly likely to support a candidate who promised to lower my taxes I'd be very unlikely to vote for someone who promised to raise them. Why should I expect anyone else to be any different?

I don't disagree that the current system is broken and needs to be replaced. But I thought the point was to win the election so we could actually do that. So how will promising to raise most people's taxes accomplish that?

41 posted on 11/03/2011 10:17:49 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

spread the base and lower the rates...nobody rides for free.


42 posted on 11/03/2011 11:25:25 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: SoJoCo

If you want to win the election stop belittling all of Obuttface’s opponents. Keep in mind some common tactics used by the demrats—bo, his allies, soros, and the old media will smear-job every one of his opponents to split the opposition. The old media (his mouthpiece), hollywood, the parasites, unions, homos, anti-americans, and the muzzies will all vote bo no matter what. A minor split in the opposition hands bo the election. It’s pretty simple.

Good comment about spreading the base. Again, Bachmann said nothing about raising taxes on taxpayers—initiating taxes on the parasites is what she said. Bachmann is light years brighter than the organizer of community illiterates.


43 posted on 11/03/2011 1:29:20 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

“Your snide remarks are misdirected.”

My remarks were accurate and truthful. Two things that Mrs. Bachmann has problems with.


44 posted on 11/03/2011 1:50:04 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: merryandrew

Calling for EVERYONE to pay something does not make her a liberal, it makes her (for once) right.


45 posted on 11/03/2011 1:51:08 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

A point-of-sale tax means the feds now have reason to observe, monitor, AND ADJUST _every_ purchase. You swipe your credit card, and already-available Orwellian technology kicks in. Cash aside (and it’s illegal where, Missouri? how long ‘til cash is eliminated by status quo and/or law?), any identifying factor can be used by the gov’t to do all kinds of outrages.
Sure, buy a $1.25 bottle of Coke. Within seconds, the federal computers get busy:
- a non-WIC food item is taxed more
- an “unhealthy” item is taxed even more
- your tax bracket is identified and the sales tax increased accordingly
- your ObamaCare file is checked to find you’re a borderline diabetic, so a discouraging surcharge is added, and a red flag added to your file
- product purchase history indicates you over-consume the product, further flagging your medical file and increasing tax to discourage you
- various “wanted” lists are consulted (hey, why not) to check if you’re presumed guilty of something
- purchase patterns are recorded and evaluated; deviations are investigated, perhaps notifying nearby police for immediate in-person review.

Careful what you wish for.
You might get it.


46 posted on 11/03/2011 2:05:08 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Again, Bachmann said nothing about raising taxes on taxpayers—initiating taxes on the parasites is what she said.

Well next to telling people that your going to raise their taxes, telling some guy trying to support a wife and a couple of kids on the median family income that he's a parasite has got to be nearly as bad a slogan to run on. I hope for her sake that you're not on her campaign strategy team.

47 posted on 11/03/2011 3:12:17 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

She’s not saying anything about doubling or tripling anyone’s taxes.....she’s saying to the FREELOADERS to pay SOMETHING! Just guessing that you don’t pay any now.....but you SHOULD.....EVERYONE SHOULD.


48 posted on 11/03/2011 3:46:57 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SoJoCo

Well next to telling people that your going to raise their taxes, telling some guy trying to support a wife and a couple of kids on the median family income that he’s a parasite has got to be nearly as bad a slogan to run on. I hope for her sake that you’re not on her campaign strategy team.”

If you are sucking on the system that makes one a parasite. Sometimes truthful statements absent the sugar coating are painful, particularly when it gets personal. The parties are largely widely divided because we now have 50% not making a contribution and receiving the bennies (ie parasites) and the taxpayer paying his share and theirs.


49 posted on 11/03/2011 3:52:10 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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