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14,000 abandoned wind turbines
The Daily Mail ^ | 11-19-11 | Don Surber

Posted on 11/19/2011 12:59:33 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic

As Jimi Hendrix may have put it: “And the wind cries bankrupt…”

Minnesotans for Global Warming report that in the last 30 years, the United States has had 14,000 wind turbines abandoned. Apparently, once the subsidies and the wind run out, these 20-story high Cuisinarts are de-bladed and retired. This means more bats and migratory birds will live.

From Minnesotans for Global Warming: “The symbol of Green renewable energy, our savior from the non existent problem of Global Warming, abandoned wind farms are starting to litter the planet as globally governments cut the subsidies taxes that consumers pay for the privilege of having a very expensive power source that does not work every day for various reasons like it’s too cold or the wind speed is too high.”

Andrew Walden of American Thinker explored nearly 2 years ago the demise of the 37-turbine wind farm at Kamaoa Wind Farm in Hawaii: “Built in 1985, at the end of the boom, Kamaoa soon suffered from lack of maintenance. In 1994, the site lease was purchased by Redwood City, CA-based Apollo Energy. Cannibalizing parts from the original 37 turbines, Apollo personnel kept the declining facility going with outdated equipment. But even in a place where wind-shaped trees grow sideways, maintenance issues were overwhelming. By 2004 Kamaoa accounts began to show up on a Hawaii State Department of Finance list of unclaimed properties. In 2006, transmission was finally cut off by Hawaii Electric Company.California’s wind farms — then comprising about 80% of the world’s wind generation capacity — ceased to generate much more quickly than Kamaoa. In the best wind spots on earth, over 14,000 turbines were simply abandoned. Spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills.”

When an honest history of this period in the United States is written, it will no be kind to the corporate cronyism that preyed upon public ignorance of earth science to create a crisis — global warming — to exploit and loot the Treasury.


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KEYWORDS: boondoggle; energy; fail; globalwarming; green; greenenergy; wind; windmills
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1 posted on 11/19/2011 12:59:37 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
14,000 abandoned wind turbines

Just nuke 'em! ; )

2 posted on 11/19/2011 1:02:16 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

They’ll try to blame business instead of friends of bureaucrats and politics helping to loot the nation.

These things make no economic sense and are totally unsustainable.


3 posted on 11/19/2011 1:02:29 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Could I get one of those cheap to replace my KitchenAid mixer?


4 posted on 11/19/2011 1:05:08 PM PST by animal172 (All aboard the Cain Train.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Apparently, once the subsidies and the wind run out, these 20-story high Cuisinarts are de-bladed and retired.

Perfect cell phone tower! And they are usually not too near population centers, so the "rural" areas will get additional cell phone coverage .. it's just wonderful ...

5 posted on 11/19/2011 1:06:31 PM PST by Ken522
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Those were the old tiny ones, never were effecent.


6 posted on 11/19/2011 1:07:03 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Tell the mexicans they’re full of copper.

They’ll be gone by sunrise.


7 posted on 11/19/2011 1:08:06 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

LMAO !

Brilliant solution !


8 posted on 11/19/2011 1:11:17 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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Now That You Do, Donate And Keep FR Running


9 posted on 11/19/2011 1:12:42 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A blight on the Earth - and by supposed Greenies.

That’s the result of suspect science and stupid - who are the birdbrains now?


10 posted on 11/19/2011 1:15:40 PM PST by sodpoodle (Loving America is not a fashion statement.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This is why the U.S. government did not spend millions of dollars on the development of internal-combustion gasoline engines in the year 1815.

This is why the space program goal of landing on the moon before 1970 was not financially wise.

Ambitious government technological goals during peacetime are great for politicians but never financially worthwhile.

The only successes that are had is because the actual work was performed by private-sector companies. And in cases where “the fix is in”, like green energy (meaning the private sector company has assurances that wasting the money would be fine as in the case of Solyndra), the private sector simply takes the money they are given by their political crony.

The Hoover Dam is a classic example of a project being completed only because of private sector efforts - in spite of government attempts to mess it up for political reasons.


11 posted on 11/19/2011 1:21:13 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: EGPWS; flaglady47; oswegodeee
I saw my first wind farm driving south through southern Illinois on Route 57.

The windmills I estimated to be several hundreds in number. They stretched as far as the eye could see east and southeast. The land there is all flat farmland, and farmhouse dotted the landscape here and there around the huge mills.

Sleek and silver, blades turning slowly despite forceful winds that buffeted my heavy car, the scene dominated by these silent giants was both fascinating. and rather scary. I could only think of one word to describe the visual effect of a wind farm.....Dali-esque.

Leni

12 posted on 11/19/2011 1:25:01 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The author missed another key reason for the AGW scam.

With the alleged fall of communism (which didn’t go anywhere except to the White House), the global elite needed another control device to scare the crap out of an uninformed and gullible population so they would willingly and gratefully surrender more of their God given rights to the state for “saving them.”

Orwell wrote a book about it called “1984.” He just had the date wrong. And it damn near worked.


13 posted on 11/19/2011 1:25:12 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Obozo deserves another term: IN LEAVENWORTH. 25 to life sounds about right!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

But.. but.. the green boosters claim that this will save us ALLL! /sarc.

And this illustrates why green initiatives, whether it is the Chevy Dolt or a windfarm, are bad investments.


14 posted on 11/19/2011 1:25:53 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Dick Bachert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzITqBcRnY


15 posted on 11/19/2011 1:33:35 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Wind energy is a complete disaster

Denmark, the world's most wind-intensive nation, with more than 6,000 turbines generating 19% of its electricity, has yet to close a single fossil-fuel plant. It requires 50% more coal-generated electricity to cover wind power's unpredictability, and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone).

The original National Post link has been taken down. I am sure it is because they were hounded into it.

Google search showing original link

16 posted on 11/19/2011 1:40:11 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
When an honest history of this period in the United States is written, it will no be kind to the corporate cronyism that preyed upon public ignorance of earth science to create a crisis — global warming — to exploit and loot the Treasury.

One can hope.

17 posted on 11/19/2011 1:43:00 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: Ken522
We live on the high plains of New Mexico, ranching country. The mesa's are lined with wind turbines...their red, blinking aircraft warning lights invading the night sky.

Far more obnoxious to ranch homes than the twirling things during daylight!

18 posted on 11/19/2011 1:45:51 PM PST by WestwardHo
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To: afraidfortherepublic
As I've said before regarding these things being the answer to 'everything':
If Wind Power is so great how come Holland isn't a World Power?
All Holland has contributed to the world has been Wooden Shoes and Tulips.Oh. And Clog Dancing. Can't forget that. Heck, where would we be without Clog Dancing.
19 posted on 11/19/2011 1:54:28 PM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The same thing happend with these stupid subway systems in most cities

“If you build it, they will come- unless it is a government subsidized project”

The fed handed out millions to build rapid transit systems in cities, and killed most places they were built.

Buffalo NY was once a hub of the country- more important than NY city. IN the 70’s they feds gave them millions to build a subway, so they closed MAIN STREET in buffalo, killed every single business along the steet, and buffalo is now nearly abondoned except for law offices and welfare offices

The people who use the subway to get to the welfare office would be better off if they just put the office closer to where they live. And the people who work there could save $8 per day parking


20 posted on 11/19/2011 1:55:23 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
14,000 abandoned wind turbines

First rule one learns to ask as a reporter is; "Who says so."

In this case, it's a bunch of environmentalist wackos.

Story is BS

21 posted on 11/19/2011 1:55:25 PM PST by MindBender26 (Trying to being some reality to an increasingly strange internet environment)
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To: Condor51

Holland once almost collapsed the world economy of the day with those tulips.


22 posted on 11/19/2011 1:56:38 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

There were small, old machines and no one did a proper job of planning.

New wind farm agreements include provisions for decommissioning and return of the site to previous condition.

A non issue designed to create uproar amongst luddites.


23 posted on 11/19/2011 1:57:47 PM PST by bigbob
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To: afraidfortherepublic
14,000 abandoned wind turbines

First rule one learns to ask as a reporter is; "Who says so."

In this case, it's a bunch of environmentalist wackos. Where is the proof or even source that there are 14,000 abandoned turbines?

Story is BS


24 posted on 11/19/2011 1:58:38 PM PST by MindBender26 (Trying to being some reality to an increasingly strange internet environment)
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To: bigbob
Exactly... and most here are believing it.
25 posted on 11/19/2011 1:59:29 PM PST by MindBender26 (Trying to being some reality to an increasingly strange internet environment)
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To: bigbob
New wind farm agreements include provisions for decommissioning and return of the site to previous condition.


that sounds good but the reality is the once the money is gone and it is in bankruptcy, it isn't going to happen. the contracts on the ones put on farm land state they will take the foundations down to 16 inches below ground level. I tell my clients, don't depend on it.................
26 posted on 11/19/2011 2:09:12 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: sodpoodle
A blight on the Earth - and by supposed Greenies.

I have always thought these things were just butt-ugly. However, the hypocrisy of the "greens" is what really galls me.

How many loggers lost good paying jobs because some enviro found some critter to put on the endangered species list. Or, simply because they didn't want the trees cut down. But now, they are willing to mow down acres of trees simply to put up these monstrosities. I have nothing but utter disdain for these people and their sham movement.

27 posted on 11/19/2011 2:11:10 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: PieterCasparzen
This is why the U.S. government did not spend millions of dollars on the development of internal-combustion gasoline engines in the year 1815.

Actually, the US government wasted billions on corporate subsidies throughout the 1800s (in 2011 dollars). In the 1840s and 1850s, it was steamship lines and telegraphs. In the 1860s to 1880s, it was steel and railroads. A bit later, it was petroleum. Government subsidies led to sloppy and inefficient businesses that would not adopt new technologies, charged high prices, and provided expensive products only affordable by the very rich. In each of these cases, brilliant entrepreneurs who refused to take government subsidies beat the pants off the sluggards who lived off the government teat. But these entrepreneurs have been traditionally excoriated and reviled as "Robber Barons."

For the full story, I highly recommend Burton Folsom's excellent book The Myth of the Robber Barons: A New Look at the Rise of Big Business in America. It strongly bolsters the argument that the government should get out of the way of the private sector and end its wasteful market-distortions.

28 posted on 11/19/2011 2:15:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: PieterCasparzen
The Hoover Dam is a classic example of a project being completed only because of private sector efforts - in spite of government attempts to mess it up for political reasons.

The tale is told that the dam, originally called Boulder Dam was renamed for Hoover at the cost of several thousands of dollars, for signs, buildings etc. while for about $10 Hoover could have gone to the courthouse and just changed his name to Boulder. Government...in action.

Just a little 'Rest of the Story'.

29 posted on 11/19/2011 2:15:34 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

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30 posted on 11/19/2011 2:18:50 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MindBender26
If you go to the source article linked article has this link: http://www.wind-works.org/articles/99rush.html that claims 15,000 windmills were constructed back in the 80 and 90.

I would assume they have outlived their life and sit rusting away

31 posted on 11/19/2011 2:18:52 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Leaving in their wake people with acoustic fibrosis.


32 posted on 11/19/2011 2:20:58 PM PST by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: MindBender26

Yup, I want pictures.


33 posted on 11/19/2011 2:21:16 PM PST by onona (FR is continuing education)
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To: MinuteGal
Very vivid (and apt) imagery. I looked at your home page, to see if you were a writer.
34 posted on 11/19/2011 2:21:27 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: MindBender26

35 posted on 11/19/2011 2:35:40 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: EGPWS
Someone needs to get the word to the scrap metal scavengers who are stripping houses of copper wire and pipe, and stealing manhole covers and the like.

These behemoth windmills would be worth a pretty penny to them, and the probability that many of them would fall and break their necks while harvesting turbine parts would be an added bonus.

36 posted on 11/19/2011 2:39:37 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MinuteGal
I had a similar experience driving across southern Minnesota this summer. Creepy, in a word.
37 posted on 11/19/2011 2:41:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MinuteGal
I saw my first wind farm driving south through southern Illinois on Route 57.

I'm very familiar with this line of windmills. There are
two such ridges running the length of Il. that are covered
with them. The other is to the west. I wish I had had a
camera with a very long lens to compress the scene south
of Rockford one morning on Rt 39. It was cold and windless
and the mills were completely becalmed. In the distance you
could see the steam rising straight up from the nuclear
plant that was providing all the energy! By the way, the
reason that the mills were running slowly even with the
strong wind is that they have variable pitch blades that
keep the speed uniform to produce the proper frequency of
AC current.

38 posted on 11/19/2011 2:56:40 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Popman

Clean up is sometimes a problem in the real world. A strip mining company, for example. has to clean up after it has removed the minerals it has mined. This involves filling in the hole, disposing of the slag (these two are usually connected) and re-contouring the land.

Green projects shouldn’t have their own set of rules. They need to cover all their costs, including clean up.

In addition to removing these cylinders, the batteries that many of them have need to be carefully disposed or possibly re-cycled.

Oh, the “school solution” when there are clean up costs is to have the company post a bond, equal to the present value of the expected clean up cost.


39 posted on 11/19/2011 3:19:01 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

Don’t get off track here. I think the moral of this story is if wind power is so great why were these wind mills not replaced so they could produce more cheap energy?


40 posted on 11/19/2011 3:25:37 PM PST by kempo
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"This means more bats and migratory birds will live. "

What about the moonbats?

41 posted on 11/19/2011 3:27:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: bigbob
There were small, old machines and no one did a proper job of planning. New wind farm agreements include provisions for decommissioning and return of the site to previous condition. A non issue designed to create uproar amongst luddites.

Great; these things will lose even MORE money when they break???

42 posted on 11/19/2011 3:29:39 PM PST by jdsteel (Cain vs. Not Able.......now that Sarah's out.)
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To: Condor51

Holland also gave us MJ shops, legit red light districts and Pilgrims.


43 posted on 11/19/2011 3:30:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: MindBender26

Well maybe you need a little more convincing that these things are often abandoned after the tax payer gets fleeced? Check this out.

Wind Energy’s Ghosts
By Andrew Walden
Bankrupt Europe has a lesson for Congress about wind power.

Wiwo...wiwo...wiwo.

The sound floats on the winds of Ka Le, this southernmost tip of Hawaii’s Big Island, where Polynesian colonists first landed some 1,500 years ago.

Some say that Ka Le is haunted — and it is. But it’s haunted not by Hawaii’s legendary night marchers. The mysterious sounds are “Na leo o Kamaoa”— the disembodied voices of 37 skeletal wind turbines abandoned to rust on the hundred-acre site of the former Kamaoa Wind Farm.

The voices of Kamaoa cry out their warning as a new batch of colonists, having looted the taxpayers of Spain, Portugal, and Greece, seeks to expand upon their multi-billion-dollar foothold half a world away on the shores of the distant Potomac River. European wind developers are fleeing the EU’s expiring wind subsidies, shuttering factories, laying off workers, and leaving billions of Euros of sovereign debt and a continent-wide financial crisis in their wake. But their game is not over. Already they are tapping a new vein of lucre from the taxpayers and ratepayers of the United States.

SNIP>>>>>>>>>>> more here:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/wind_energys_ghosts_1.html


44 posted on 11/19/2011 3:35:21 PM PST by chickenlips (Mitt Romney, Obama's ticket to term 2)
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To: PeterPrinciple
And they get away with 16" ??

Frost line around here is waaay deeper than that .. you're asking for trouble setting fence posts shallower than 32" !

(but if you meant dismantling their junk/footers down to 16", then nevermind)


45 posted on 11/19/2011 3:48:54 PM PST by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Do you want to know about a shocking statistic? More people have died from wind turbine tower accidents than all the nuclear accidents in Western Europe & North America plus China plus India combined!
46 posted on 11/19/2011 3:52:53 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I have a hard time believing that “bats and migratory birds” are killed by wind turbines. But whatever...

I’ve actually built my own mini-wind turbine that I plan to use at my cabin next summer. It’s powerful enough to keep a couple of deep-cycle batteries charged to help power the camp, and a nice supplement for my solar panels. Having said that (TM)...

Although I advocate wind and solar as a feasible means for self-sufficiency, the government has no frickin’ business subsidizing the industry. Companies either survive in the marketplace, or they fail. Period. If you support the technology, invest your own damn money.


47 posted on 11/19/2011 4:02:21 PM PST by pocat (In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant)
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To: org.whodat

NO matter the size, I used the Farm near Indio, California as a model that maintenance would eventually cost more than the overall power they produced.


48 posted on 11/19/2011 4:27:39 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: mazda77
True, those are not much more that a large truck alternator attached to a propeller.
49 posted on 11/19/2011 4:40:05 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: animal172

Send them to the 3rd world—they might help some poor starving country or island nation that needs power. We have natural gas, coal and oil.


50 posted on 11/19/2011 4:41:44 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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