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The birthers press on
Renew America ^ | November 23, 2011 | Peter Lemiska

Posted on 11/24/2011 5:19:52 PM PST by STE=Q

In a belated response to the birther movement, earlier this year the White House released Barack Obama's "long form" birth certificate. Everyone believed it would finally silence the birthers; and it did -- for a while. But since then, various independent researchers, as well as experts in graphics, computer software, and scanning equipment, have examined the document and now allege that it shows signs of tampering.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; constitution; eligibility; fraud; naturalborncitizen; newhampshire; obama; usurper
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1 posted on 11/24/2011 5:19:55 PM PST by STE=Q
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To: LucyT

Ping!


2 posted on 11/24/2011 5:21:06 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: STE=Q

>> and now allege that it shows signs of tampering.

We were presented with a multi-layer PDF that contained inconsistent character sampling and text styles. I’d consider fabrication before tampering.


3 posted on 11/24/2011 5:25:53 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: STE=Q

actually, within 2 days of it being released, graphics experts had already posted comments on the forgery

then 2 days later... 0failure announced the killing of bin laden

punting the forgery from the headlines


4 posted on 11/24/2011 5:37:17 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Gene Eric

Whatever, it was a hodgepodge made to fool the casual human eye. I would be inclined to pin it on some shadowy Hawaiian source that told Obama’s goons what they wanted to hear, and eventually at long last, Barack Obama will be “shocked, shocked!” that it breaks down as it does.


5 posted on 11/24/2011 5:46:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Gene Eric

Burning pretzel to roast the Perry Easter egg over?


6 posted on 11/24/2011 5:47:36 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: STE=Q
"experts [...] have examined the document and now allege that it shows signs of tampering."

Yeah, kinda like the The Pope shows "signs of" being Catholic

7 posted on 11/24/2011 5:50:36 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: sten

more like 2 hours- I posted that it was a PDF with layers about 2 hours after I got a copy


8 posted on 11/24/2011 5:51:22 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

huh??? I am sure you had a thought when you posted that.... or not.......


9 posted on 11/24/2011 5:53:23 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I mean the US has more sense than China about this kind of thing


10 posted on 11/24/2011 5:55:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Ditter

Whoops! Wrong thread! I thought I was answering a comment about the recent debacle in China where their spiffy new airport building blew apart from the winds.

Thinking of the new, or most recent, Perry for President logo. Looks like an Easter egg.


11 posted on 11/24/2011 5:58:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I was thinking of some baked ice cream, mmmm... that’s good... Marsha would really like it.


12 posted on 11/24/2011 5:58:12 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes of course, I say stuff like that all the time.... : [


13 posted on 11/24/2011 6:01:22 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Gene Eric

Baked Alaska is traditionally made by covering hard-frozen ice cream with meringue, then browning the meringue under a broiler. A kitchen torch could also be used to brown the meringue, but a pretzel would be rather useless. An electric broiler would work the best.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 6:02:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> I would be inclined to pin it on some shadowy Hawaiian source that ...

The potential for intentionally fueling the conspiracy theories has crossed my mind.


15 posted on 11/24/2011 6:02:58 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

whoa........ thank Goodness I was ready to send the stroke team out to pick you up.

(It still doesn’t make a lot of sense but I guess you had to be there)


16 posted on 11/24/2011 6:04:59 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Gene Eric

Ya think that if Obama had any integrity, once he heard about this he’d have the FBI itself vet the document.


17 posted on 11/24/2011 6:05:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: STE=Q; All
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18 posted on 11/24/2011 6:09:24 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Indeed. I could see the advantage of an electric broiler.


19 posted on 11/24/2011 6:09:30 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Agreed.


20 posted on 11/24/2011 6:10:19 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: EveningStar
Your flock is missing you...
21 posted on 11/24/2011 6:13:47 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: STE=Q

22 posted on 11/24/2011 6:20:20 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Pimp your blog for hits on Free Republic!)
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To: STE=Q

nobama’s arrogance and narcissism are unbounded. The release of his POS “long form” BC was just a poke in the brithers eye. He’s daring somebody to successfully try and make something out of it. Knowing that will never happen.


23 posted on 11/24/2011 6:22:07 PM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

LOL, this would have been better!


24 posted on 11/24/2011 6:25:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: STE=Q
Obama's performance showing the questionable BC looked almost like a slight of hand trick. Now you see it, now you don't. "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat."

Would you buy a used car from this guy?

25 posted on 11/24/2011 6:27:14 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

It’s an improvement to me being “Offishall...” and all and in long hand. The 0 won’t go away until he’s done.


26 posted on 11/24/2011 6:29:55 PM PST by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: STE=Q

earlier this year the White House released Barack Obama’s “long form” birth certificate.

Except they didn’t release anything of the kind. If they had, the whole issue would have been resolved. Instead they released something completely different, and then SAID it was what it wasn’t, the long form.

All the useful idiots then fell all over themselves to declare it “as good as,” Even though “as good as” would never fly for anyone anywhere. It is so hard to take any article/journalist/person seriously after they start maintaining that. If they cannot even get that part of the story down how in the world do they expect anyone to read the rest of their tripe masquerading as journalism.


27 posted on 11/24/2011 6:29:55 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: buccaneer81

baaaaaaaaaaaaa


28 posted on 11/24/2011 6:47:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: PapaNew
It smells like Trump was used to “force” the release of “BC”.
If he is satisfied with what was produced, he is either a fool or playing the Obama’s game.

Can we see BC that Kenyan should have in his possession, that mama gave him, nice old, original wrinkled one???????

29 posted on 11/24/2011 6:48:41 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: STE=Q
it did -- for a while

Yeah. For around three hours. It took all that time to determine that it was an obvious fraud.

ML/NJ

30 posted on 11/24/2011 6:54:59 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The Magical Mystery Tour is waiting to take you away.....


31 posted on 11/24/2011 7:07:58 PM PST by One Name
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To: STE=Q
now allege that it shows signs of tampering

Total rubbish. It was not tampered with, it was totally conjured. Pieced together from fragments of documents with a mixed character set within document portions. It IS clearly a FORGERY.

32 posted on 11/24/2011 7:13:09 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Mr. K

I know nothing about computers but have copied PDF’s and as soon as I downloaded the thing and tried to save it as a PDF it started doing things I’ve never seen a PDF do. Even to me - a total computer moron - the thing immediately jumped out at me (literally) with red flags and whistles.

If even I can detect the problems that quickly, it’s as poorly done as a flat-screen TV showing up in a movie trying to credibly portray first-century Australia. lol.

Obama’s people must think we are idiots. The sad thing is there are lots who are, and right now the people in Congress, courts, media, and law enforcement are all either idiots or else afraid to tell the truth. I’m not sure which is worse.

I tried to post this in response to the excerpted article but it was apparently too long:

This is a well-written piece. For some of the evidence alluded to see http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com

The president appoints lifelong Supreme Court justices, all federal law enforcement heads, all regulatory heads, and whatever “czars” he feels like hiring. He decides when, where, and why our troops engage and what allies we have (or which allies we betray). He issues whatever executive orders he wants. He vetoes whatever he wants. We are not talking about piddles here. We are talking about a person who - if he wants, or if he is incompetent - can literally destroy this nation and this world. It should be a no-brainer that if there is evidence that he has committed crimes (such as forgery, perjury, election fraud, and social security fraud) in order to get and stay in office, it needs to be investigated.

But though everybody who takes political or military office takes an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution, none of them are willing to do a thing to ensure that an assualt on our Constitution and our laws is even investigated.

There is much, much evidence that not only Obama has committed crimes, but that government agencies at every level have either overlooked crimes, disobeyed laws, or committed felonies in order to aid Obama’s crimes.

For instance, the Selective Service Administration forged a draft registration for Obama - trying to pass off the ‘08 automatic date stamp as if it was from 1980.

E-verify shows that the social security number Obama used on his latest tax return was never issued to him, but the Social Security Administration refuses to investigate known fraud.

The Passport Office has released in an affidavit what appears to be a forged “cable” claiming that retention periods were altered and pre-1969 passport applications were destroyed - even though the required paper trail for such rule change and destruction does not exist.

In addition the State Department has overlooked specific security protocols in order to allow breaches to Obama’s passport file - THREE TIMES. Sources close to the investigation have said the breaches were to “fix” the record, yet the inspector general for the State Department didn’t even claim to check whether the record had been altered. I guess that IG suspected what Obama would later do to IG’s who actually did their jobs (such as Gerald Walpin...).

The Hawaii Department of Health is a story all by itself. I have dealt extensively with them, and they have broken and continue to break almost every law and rule in the books. They have altered records, lied about records, refused to make required disclosures, illegally hidden Adminsitrative Rules, include legally invalid birth certificates in their birth index, etc. They claim they cannot report known forgery to law enforcement.

The interim Health Director, Neal Palafox, was told to resign (while government operatives lied to the public about his reason for resigning) shortly after HI Gov Neil Abercrombie admitted to Mike Evans that HI has no birth certificate for Obama and also told a Star-Advertiser columnist that what they have for Obama is “actually written down” but would not convince skeptics that Obama was born in HI. Since then, DOH Director Loretta Fuddy has broken all the disclosure laws by saying they will only disclose copies of ORIGINAL birth certificates when they want to; otherwise everything will be done by easily-manipulable computer printouts.

And unless HI issued serial numbers for their birth certificates randomly, the DOH is indeed manipulating birth certificate numbers to try to make it seem OK that Obama’s BC# is later (higher) than the numbers given to BC’s numbered 3 days later.

And the HDOH has indirectly admitted that what Obama has released thus far are forgeries. They have admitted that Obama’s BC was amended in 2006 (while Obama was considering a run for the presidency) - which must be noted on any genuine BC the HDOH issues for Obama since then but was not included on either BC Obama released. That alteration also invalidates the BC so that it is no longer prima facie evidence of ANYTHING. Whcih could explain why the HDOH prints a birth index which includes LEGALLY NON-VALID BC’s. It also explains why he refuses to submit anything genuine in a court of law.

In addition, the HDOH continues to claim they can’t disclose Obama’s long-form BC because he has a privacy interest they have to protect - a privacy interest that would not exist if he had already disclosed a genuine copy of what they have on file. IOW, they have admitted that they know what he posted is not what they have in their office.

The really silly thing is that HDOH Administrative Rules (which the HDOH Director illegally hid until a year after the 2008 election) allow ANYBODY to get a non-certified copy of any abbreviated BC (short-form) the HDOH has in their office. HI’s disclosure laws say that anything that CAN be disclosed MUST be disclosed on request. IOW, the HDOH is REQUIRED to disclose Obama’s non-certified short-form to anybody who asks to see it. The HI Ombudsman’s Office has confirmed that the short-forms are discloseable to anybody.

Unfortunately, I have learned by extensive experience that the entire system is so corrupt in HI that I am not willing to waste money even trying to get a judge to force the HDOH to obey the law. Just look at what Issa and Grassley are having to deal with in trying to investigate Eric Holder, the FBI, the AZ US Attorney, DHS, and INS in regards to Fast and Furious - the US government’s arming of Mexican drug cartels with guns either without tracking devices or with tracking devices left unpowered so they could only be tracked AFTER they were used in murders - and the death count for Fast & Furious weapons was over 200 the last I knew. Those entities have altered evidence, perjured themselves, and ignored subpoenas in a Congressional investigation. If a Congressional investigation can’t get the truth out of multiple government agencies conspiring to hide the truth, nobody can. This is sheer and blatant lawlessness.

The Hawaii Democratic Party literally cut out of their Official Certification of Nomination (OCON) for Obama/Biden one whole line of print - the line that says the candidates are Constitutionally eligible and that the candidates are specifically the candidates for the Hawaii Democratic Party. Because the HDP took out the eligibility certification, Nancy Pelosi had to sign a different DNC OCON just for HI, claiming to certify Obama’s eligibility (even though the HDOH confirms that nobody from the DNC even requested to see Obama’s birth certificate). Why did the HDP refuse to certify Obama’s eligibility? It was apparently something done hastily and stealthily, because in taking out that one line they also took out the only thing they were required by law to do - sign off on the DNC candidate also being the candidate for the HDP. The HDP refuses to say why they took the eligibility language out. But the attorney they used in litigation for the past decade just so happened to be the divorce lawyer for Obama’s mother; he has probably seen the birth certificate Obama has been using his entire life. For some reason, the lawyers who have the ability to know what Obama’s records actually say.... refuse to certify his Constitutional eligibility.

So... we’ve got the Selective Service Administration, Passport Office, and apparently the HDOH forging documents directly, the Social Security Administration ignoring blatant and known social security fraud, the State Department disabling security protocols to allow 3 breaches to sanitize Obama’s passport records while the inspector general refuses to check whether the record was altered, the HDOH admitting that Obama has committed forgery but refusing to do anything about it and actually trying to cover for him publicly, and the Hawaii Democratic Party failing to submit the required certifications in their haste to get rid of the Constitutional eligibility certification in their OCON. Those are some of the facts we have so far.

Folks, where there’s smoke there’s fire. Fast & Furious shows us what we can expect from government agencies so this should come as no surprise to anybody who is paying attention. We’ve got lawless thugs in America arming lawless thugs in Mexico. Only a fool would refuse to ask the obvious question: Why? Why all this lawlessness?

Sorry for the length of this. This provides just a little of the substantiation we have for what the author of this article has said: that there is evidence that deserves to be investigated and expalined.


33 posted on 11/24/2011 7:31:33 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Leo Carpathian

But I thought it burnt in a housefire according to one of his books errr Ayers books. ( snort )


34 posted on 11/24/2011 7:40:44 PM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: butterdezillion
Bless you, American Patriot, for the work you are doing.

One day, hopefully soon, you'll be the one saying "I told ya so" to all the willfully blind fools who refuse to see what you and their own eyes are showing them.

Hard to believe our ancestors sacrificed so much only to have today's blind fools give it away.

35 posted on 11/24/2011 8:17:05 PM PST by GBA
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To: STE=Q
One of the things that can cause deportation for illegals is the fradulent use of a Social Security card that isn't their.

But, recently Judge Royce Lamberth concluded that there's no real interest in determining whether the Obama Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent, arguing that the need for privacy for the president trumps all else.

"The SSA explained that the Privacy Act of 1974 ... protects the personal information of social security number holders," he wrote. "The SSA determined ... the plaintiff had identified no public interest that would be served by disclosure.

Yet there are some interesting circumstances at play.
1. Who's account is Obama contributing his FICA deductions into? and
2. Will he criminally liable when he and Minnie the Moocher try to collect benefits? ...and you know they will.

36 posted on 11/24/2011 8:25:42 PM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Baynative

Obummer sure wasn’t shy at one point about claiming to be a non-American alien, though it would take more than that sort of fraud to jettison a citizenship if it existed.

Forget about whether he got one fraudulent SSN. How about a couple dozen? Not even the average Moose visitor needs but one. If he had some kind of strange grooming early in his life, were they thinking about having all kinds of clones of Barack Obama in “existence”? Yet as far as we know, none of these separately SSN’d identities has no history, at least history left to us.


37 posted on 11/24/2011 8:44:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Baynative

Did he ever work any job before his stint as a Senator?


38 posted on 11/24/2011 8:48:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Baynative

The reasons for open records laws are all a bunch of rot, if what Lamberth and other judges claim is true. Open records laws say that the public DOES have an interest in government accountability.

And there is no question that this is about government accountability, because the Social Security Administration has been made aware through these actions that Obama is using a fraudulent social security number - and they aren’t doing a darn thing about it. The whole reason to have it exposed in court is so somebody will HAVE to do something about it. This isn’t about Obama; it’s about our stupid, corrupt, criminal government that sees crimes in progress and yawns at best - and more often joins in to commit crimes on behalf of the guilty and persecute the innocent.

I think we need to have surveillance on judges, to see who has spoken with them and when - to protect them from being threatened, and to protect us from decisions made under duress. Somebody on my blog said that Eric Holder was seen by multiple people meeting with Judge Lamberth shortly before a critical decision.


39 posted on 11/24/2011 8:52:03 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Baynative

Come to think of it, the lawsuits are against the wrong people. The lawsuits need to be against the government; the government can have no privacy interest. We need to request records to see what the GOVERNMENT knew and when, and how they responded to it.

Instead of seeing Obama’s SS application, we need to see the records of how the government PROCESSED that application, including computer logs to show when, where, and by whom. We need to see what all actions the government has taken on that social security number, when, and by whom. We have a right to see that, to hold them accountable to the law.


40 posted on 11/24/2011 8:58:24 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Don’t apologize for the length. It is all valuable information and you have done very hard work.

May your efforts NOT be in vain.


41 posted on 11/24/2011 8:58:45 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Baynative

Aniother thing. When we put our SSN on our tax return, doesn’t the IRS even check that with E-verify? Turbo-Tax Timmy’s agency should have known all along that Obama was using a fraudulent number, since E-verify doesn’t even claim that the number belongs to Obama.

Somebody needs to sue the IRS for not checking obvious fraud and prosecuting it.


42 posted on 11/24/2011 9:02:27 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; LucyT
The author of the article...

“Peter Lemiska is a freelance writer and former Senior Special Agent of the U.S. Secret Service.”

These guys/gals are trained to the core not to question the “duly elected” president's credentials...while on the job, same as out military.

I find it very interesting that a former Secret Service agent would publicly question Obama’s legitimacy, even after leaving the Service. He would know that these allegations could cause a potentially dangerous hint of hesitancy in the mind of any currently serving SS agents to take a bullet for a guy who possibly never should have been president and could be a total fraud to boot!

43 posted on 11/24/2011 9:35:33 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: STE=Q

44 posted on 11/24/2011 9:54:08 PM PST by RasterMaster ("To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: STE=Q
"Let sleeping dogs lie."

That dog ain't sleeping.

45 posted on 11/24/2011 9:58:34 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Maybe he knows that any thinking person would already have questions, and thinks the guys who would take the bullets deserve to have answers so they can serve in good conscience - like Lakin deserved to be able to serve in good conscience. Obama refused to set his conscience at ease, saying he was “amused” by the whole thing.

How anybody could be “amused” by somebody losing their life savings and career because they listened to their conscience telling them to keep an oath is beyond me. But when you look at the way Nancy Pelosi slams people who have a conscience you recognize that these critters have lost their consciences. When you see the people dead as a result of Fast & Furious, and the cover-ups and lying that every government agency did to obstruct justice, you see that there is no such thing as conscience where these people are concerned, even when it means innocent people will be murdered. Conscience is for quaint little peons who still have to follow the laws.

We are in very, very dangerous territory. Seems like Lemiska may be wise enough to recognize where this is headed. And by not getting bogged down in details he leaves the questions very clear: How can anybody say this doesn’t matter? How can anybody who affirms the rule of law think it is OK to ignore this much evidence as if it was inconsequential? How can anybody trust a system that doesn’t even think its purpose for existing matters?

I’d love to hear Congress, the courts, the media, and law enforcement all answer those very general worldview-based questions. How they can spend all their time arguing over gnats and still openly swallow these blatant camels is an explanation we all deserve to hear from them.

Police in my county spent a couple years and resources to catch a guy in my town who was making fake ID’s for illegals. But we’ve got Obama’s aunt and uncle who are both illegals with social security numbers, and Obama who is using a social security number not issued to him - with NO QUESTIONS ASKED. Why did the law enforcement spend all that time and money to investigate and catch one little guy in my town, while the whole darn country watches 3 Obamas get away with OPEN social security fraud and/or document fraud without consequence? Why go diligently after the gnat when everybody knows that 3 big whopping camels are going down the country’s throat?


46 posted on 11/24/2011 9:58:43 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Mr. K; STE=Q; Seizethecarp; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; ...
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In a belated response to the birther movement, earlier this year the White House released Barack Obama's "long form" birth certificate. Everyone believed it would finally silence the birthers; and it did -- for a while. But since then, various independent researchers, as well as experts in graphics, computer software, and scanning equipment, have examined the document and now allege that it shows signs of tampering. - allege?

Mr. K wrote:

"more like 2 hours- I posted that it was a PDF with layers about 2 hours after I got a copy."

. . . . Article and # 43.

[Thanks for the pings.]

47 posted on 11/24/2011 10:03:32 PM PST by LucyT (We lived in the best of times, in the best place, in all of Human History.)
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To: butterdezillion

It looks like a lot of personnel house cleaning should be done. Think of the people that could be off government payrolls. There is an associated problem in that many murderers would probably have to be released to accommodate the influx of Obama enablers. No new prisons under current budget restraints.


48 posted on 11/24/2011 10:05:04 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

“We’re putting criminals in office ‘cause it’s way too crowded in the jails...”

Randy Stonehill, “Stop the World, I Wanna Get Off”


49 posted on 11/24/2011 10:14:35 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: STE=Q

Where is Donald Trump on this. He should have had this thing checked out immediately and reported the results. What’s with him, you have to wonder.


50 posted on 11/24/2011 10:23:02 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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