Skip to comments.Romney Versus Gingrich on Jihad and Sharia: A Clear Contrast
Posted on 11/26/2011 7:21:46 AM PST by greyfoxx39
Early and volatile, the Republican Presidential nomination raceat least for nowappears to be settling into a contest between consistent front runner Mitt Romney and the latest surging non-Romney alternative, former House Speaker, Newt Gingrich.
Unfortunately, the CNN/Heritage Foundation/American Enterprise televised debate of 11/22/11 did not highlight the yawning gap between these frontrunning contenders views on the existential threat doctrine of our Islamic enemies: jihad and its motivational, sacralized religio-political law, Sharia.
During an interview with US News reporter Dan Gligoff published June 3, 2009, Mitt Romney offered the following bizarre observation about the living Islamic institution of jihad, ostensibly to clarify remarks made during an earlier speech at the Heritage Foundation:
I spoke about three major threats America faces on a long term basis. Jihadism is one of them, and that is not Islam.
Romneynotwithstanding this distressingly ridiculous pronouncementremains, for now, the frontrunning contender for the Republican Presidential nomination.
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, in stark contrast to the muddled and craven nonsense uttered by Romney on jihad during his US News interview, delivered an astute and courageous address at The American Enterprise Institute, July 29, 2010, which provided an irrefragably accurate if blunt characterization of the existential threat posed by Islams living, self-professed mission: to impose Sharia, its totalitarian religio-political law, globally.
With vanishingly rare intellectual honesty and resolve, Gingrich described how normative Shariaantithetical to bedrock Western legal principlesby divine, immutable diktat, rejects freedom of conscience, while sanctioning violent jihadism, absurd, misogynistic rules of evidence (four male witnesses for rape), barbarous punishments (stoning for adultery), and polygamy:
Sharia in its natural form has principles and punishments totally abhorrent to the Western world, and the underlying basic belief which is that law comes directly from God and is therefore imposed upon humans and no human can change the law without it being an act of apostasy is a fundamental violation of a tradition in the Western system which goes back to Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem and which has evolved in giving us freedom across the planet on a scale we can hardly imagine and which is now directly threatened by those who would impose it.
Moreover, Gingrich warned about effortsdeliberate, or unwittingto represent Sharia as a benign system:
So let me also be quite clear that the rules are radical and horrific. I think again its fascinating that even when people go out and do polling and they say to, for example, Muslims in general, do you believe in Sharia, they dont then explain what Sharia is. Sharia becomes like would you like to be a Rotarian and it sounds okay.
Gingrichs unflinching portrayal of the existential threat Sharia representswhether or not this totalitarian system is imposed by violent, or non-violent meanswas accompanied by a clarion call for concrete measures to oppose any Sharia encroachment on the U.S. legal code:
Stealth jihadis use political, cultural, societal, religious, intellectual tools; violent jihadis use violence. But in fact theyre both engaged in jihad and theyre both seeking to impose the same end state which is to replace Western civilization with a [radical] imposition of Sharia.
The fight against Sharia and the madrassas in mosques which teach hatred and fanaticism is the heart of the enemy movement from which the terrorists spring forth. Its time we had a national debate on this. One of the things Im going to suggest today is a federal law which says no court anywhere in the United States under any circumstance is allowed to consider Sharia as a replacement for American law.
Subsequently, J. Mark Campbell of The United West obtained a video-recorded commitment from Newt Gingrich to pursue and prosecute the major Muslim Brotherhood front groups currently operating unencumbered in the US and being courted for Muslim outreach by feckless politicians, policymakers, and even law enforcement officials.
The Holy Land Foundation trial made unmistakably clear the agenda of this spiders web of Muslim Brotherhood organizationswhich includes unindicted co-conspirators CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations), ISNA (Islamic Society of North America), and NAIT (North American Islamic Trust)as stated explicitly by Yusuf al-Qaradawi acolyte Mohamed Akram, in his An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America, May 22, 1991 (translated here, on Page 7 of 18, bottom center pagination):
The process of settlement is a Civilization-Jihadist Process with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Gods religion is made victorious over all other religions.
Frontrunner Mitt Romney needs to provide the same unequivocal commitment, immediately, to this critically important national security goal in the struggle against jihadism.
Newt Gingrich has set the standard for honest and informed discussion of Islamic totalitarianism which should be expected of all contendersa standard Mitt Romney, thus far, fails, miserably.
- Both claim to be the restoration of the "true gospel" that had been lost,
- Both restorations involved visions,
- Both restorations were assisted by an angel,
- New Holy Scriptures were revealed to man from a book that exists in heaven,
- Both new scriptures claimed to be the perfect word of God,
- Multiple, inconsistent creation stories in the new revealed scripture,
- Practice of polygamy sanctioned at some point in both religions,
- Strict patriarchal authority in both religious and family life,
- Both religions are structured as effective theocracies,
- Both religions teach that Earth is to be cleansed by fire in the last days,
- Sanctions against use of alcohol and tobacco.
- Women relegated to secondary roles and subjected to the husband (or in Islam to any other male relative).
- Women encouraged to dress modestly, with sanctions against those who fail to do so.
--Both the Book of Mormon and the Koran contain stories and/or extended near-verbatim passages from the Bible.
- Both religions accept the Bible as scripture, but believe it to be corrupted in some ways and hold their revealed scriptures to be "more correct".
- In both Islam and Mormonism, apostasy condemns one to hell, and in Islam apostasy can require blood atonement (that is, the death of the apostate).
- Principle of blood atonement in Mormonism has analogs in Islam including death to apostates and the tradition of "honor killings". That is, there are certain sins which can only be atoned for by the shedding of blood. (Honor killings in Islam are usually visited upon young females.)
- Both of the revealed "perfect books" (Koran and Book of Mormon) were later revised to make them "more correct". Mohammad removed the "Satanic Verses" from the Koran, and more than a thousand changes have been made to the Book of Mormon since the original edition was printed.
- Both religions initially contained elements of polytheism, which were later removed ("Satanic Verses" from the Koran) or de-emphasized or denied such as man-to-God and Adam-God principles in Mormonism.
- Multiple heavens (7 in Islam and 3 plus additional degrees in Mormonism) where men can be accorded multiple wives (and / or concubines in Islam).
-Divided into two or more sects by disagreements over whether the right to lead the religion (succession) should be inherited, or when new leaders try to reform or update the basic tenets of the religion.
- Belief in the existence of "immortalized" or "translated" beings (The Three Nephites in Mormonism and the Immortal Imam in Islam) who still walk the earth waiting to be of assistance to the faithful in some future time of crisis.
- Joseph Smith and Muhammad both had a lust for young females. Both acted on these desires, and had multiple wives and mistresses / concubines as a matter of record. Update:
- both have ritualized fasting required by all adherents.
- both nurture feelings of persecution and an "us vs them" attitude in adherents.
- both resort to ad campaigns to show how "Normal" their members are when they perceive that bad publicity is damaging their standing in the community.
Have we found an issue that Gingrich has been a consistent conservative on?
Let’s wait a day or two to see if any contrary stories come out to debunk the possibility.
In the meantime, let's keep Romney's true colors front and center on FreeRepublic.
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The list is very detailed.
It must make the partnerships that lds and islam have been forming for a couple of decades now more understandable.
delivered an astute and courageous address at The American Enterprise Institute, July 29, 2010,
The link above (address)gives an error.
I believe that the speech is at this link- http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/2010/07/livestream-newt-gingrich-america-at.html
When it comes time to pick between Mitt and Newt you will find pulling the lever for Newt will not be painful at all.
Seizing the opportunity to turn any story into an anti Mormon rant. Again and again and again and with the blessing of the powers that be.
The anti Mormon dog pile consists of the same actors over and over and over. Yawn.
I remember 5 or so years ago Gingrich saying basically the same thing.
He was on to the Muslim threat long before the other politicians.-Tom
A few weeks ago I thought that. But I seem to keep running ahead of the curve. I thought Cain might be the answer before he peaked too.
At this rate I’d almost be ready to circle back toward Bachmann again: she may be the only genuine, consistent, small-government conservative running. But I know she doesn’t have a shot at this point. I’m about ready to fold and be dealt some new candidates.
If anyone who is reading this article and thread is so ignorant as to believe any of this drivel then I feel sorry for you.
Islam has nothing whatsoever to do with our wonderful Savior, Jesus Christ, who suffered and died to save us from our sins.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believes that Jesus Christ is our Savior. He is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Savior and Redeemer of the New Testament. We worship, adore, and love Jesus Christ with all of our hearts.
We members of the LDS Church believe in allowing all men to worship how, where or what they may. So the folks here who worship their anti Mormon god are free to do so as far as I’m concerned.
Herman Cain apologizes for comments about muslims
“While I stand by my opposition to the interference of shariah law into the American legal system, I remain humble and contrite for any statements I have made that might have caused offense to muslim Americans and their friends. I am truly sorry for any comments that may have betrayed my commitment to the U.S. Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed by it. Muslims, like all Americans, have the right to practice their faith freely and peacefully.” — Herman Cain, 07/28/2011
Well, Sandy..here are some links to articles, many posted in mormon publications that boast of the partnership between mormons and muslims.
The Muslim Mormon Connection
http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_muslim_mormon_connection Mormons, Muslims break the fast in Southern California
Mormons, Muslims break the fast in Southern California
"At the iftars, both Muslim and LDS leaders spoke at a brief service, after which the Muslims participated in evening prayers. Following the evening prayer, the groups met together for a meal, provided by the Muslims. There were members of other faiths at each of the dinners also, along with city officials.
In keeping with Muslim tradition, the call to prayer occurred at the time that the sun set that evening. Participants then broke their fasts with dates, bread or other simple items, before proceeding to evening prayer.
The LDS visitors were invited to observe the prayers. LDS women who attended wore head scarves, consistent with Muslim dress standards for women. After the evening prayer, the groups shared a large meal together. The dinners featured traditional Muslim foods such as lamb, couscous, rice and dates. About two dozen LDS members from each of the four stakes attended the events."
And now that you have listed your perceived similiarities, how about listing the differences.
Out of curiosity what is the “anti-Mormon” god?
I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you against threats to America and against basic morality, and I love it when ANYONE claims and loves Jesus Christ (albeit in flawed and irreconcilable ways).
That said, your religion, unlike Biblical Christianity, will not stand up to outside scrutiny via objective analysis.
Blind faith will ultimately lead its adherents where all blind folks DON’T want to go, into a ditch.
Hey Sandy, were you aware that out of respect for Islam, The church has sought to respect Islamic laws and traditions that prohibit conversion of Muslims to other faiths by adopting a policy of nonproselyting in Islamic countries of the Middle East.....but that respect isn't shown for nonproselytizing of Christians!
In recent years, respect for the spiritual legacy of Muhammad and for the religious values of the Islamic community has led to increasing contact and cooperation between Latter-day Saints and Muslims around the world. This is due in part to the presence of Latter-day Saint congregations in areas such as the Levant, North Africa, the Persian Gulf, and Southeast Asia. The Church has sought to respect Islamic laws and traditions that prohibit conversion of Muslims to other faiths by adopting a policy of nonproselyting in Islamic countries of the Middle East. Yet examples of dialogue and cooperation abound, including visits of Muslim dignitaries at Church headquarters in Salt Lake City; Muslim use of Church canning facilities to produce halal (ritually clean) food products; Church humanitarian aid and disaster relief sent to predominantly Muslim areas including Jordan, Kosovo, and Turkey; academic agreements between Brigham Young University and various educational and governmental institutions in the Islamic world; the existence of the Muslim Student Association at BYU; and expanding collaboration between the Church and Islamic organizations to safeguard traditional family values worldwide. 11 The recent initiation of the Islamic Translation Series, cosponsored by BYU and the Church, has resulted in several significant exchanges between Muslim officials and Latter-day Saint Church leaders. A Muslim ambassador to the United Nations predicted that this translation series will play a positive role in the Wests quest for a better understanding of Islam. 12 A cabinet minister in Egypt, aware of the common ground shared by Muslims and Latter-day Saints, once remarked to Elder Howard W. Hunter of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that if a bridge is ever built between Christianity and Islam it must be built by the Mormon Church. 13 The examples of Latter-day SaintMuslim interaction mentioned above, together with the Churchs establishment in 1989 of two major centers for educational and cultural exchange in the Middle East (Jerusalem and Amman), reflect the traditional attitude of respect for Islam that Church leaders have exhibited from earliest times. These activities represent tangible evidence of Latter-day Saint commitment to promote greater understanding of the Muslim world and witness an emerging role for the Church in helping to bridge the gap that has existed historically between Muslims and Christians.
A cabinet minister in Egypt, aware of the common ground shared by Muslims and Latter-day Saints, once remarked to Elder Howard W. Hunter of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that if a bridge is ever built between Christianity and Islam it must be built by the Mormon Church. 13 The examples of Latter-day SaintMuslim interaction mentioned above, together with the Churchs establishment in 1989 of two major centers for educational and cultural exchange in the Middle East (Jerusalem and Amman), reflect the traditional attitude of respect for Islam that Church leaders have exhibited from earliest times. These activities represent tangible evidence of Latter-day Saint commitment to promote greater understanding of the Muslim world and witness an emerging role for the Church in helping to bridge the gap that has existed historically between Muslims and Christians.
Choosing between Newt and Mitt is like choosing between a massive coronary and cancer.
Either man can be trusted and will sell conservatives out in a heartbeat.
Perceived? Most of these links are from lds sources. And I leave it to you to provide links to the "differences", since you seem to know of some.
You can start by visiting BYU and their Islamic Texts Initiative for this very glowing description of Islam.
Islamic Translation Series (ITS)
The Islamic Translation Series is designed not only to further scholarship in the study of Islamic philosophy, theology, and mysticism, but, by encouraging the translation of Islamic texts into the technical language of contemporary Western scholarship, to assist in the integration of Islamic studies into Western academia and to promote global perspectives in the disciplines to which it is devoted. Islamic civilization represents nearly fourteen centuries of intense intellectual activity, and believers in Islam number in the hundreds of millions. The texts that will appear in ITS are among the treasures of this great culture. But they are more than that. They are properly the inheritance of all the peoples of the world. Brigham Young University and its Institute for the Study and Preservation of Ancient Religious Texts are pleased to sponsor the Islamic Translation Series. In doing so, we hope to serve our fellow human beings, of all creeds and cultures.
The texts that appear in this series are among the cultural treasures of the world, representing as they do the medieval efflorescence of Arabic-Islamic civilization-a civilization in which works of impressive intellectual stature were composed not only by Muslims but also by Christians, Jews, and others in a quest for knowledge that transcended religious and ethnic boundaries. Together they not only preserved the best of Greek thought but enhanced it, added to it, and built upon it a corpus of scientific and philosophical understanding that is properly the inheritance of all the peoples of the world.
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