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Thomas, Kagan asked to sit out health care case
AP Via OO ^ | AP

Posted on 11/26/2011 10:37:39 AM PST by Enosh

WASHINGTON – Conservative interest groups and Republican lawmakers want Justice Elena Kagan off the health care case. Liberals and Democrats in Congress say it’s Justice Clarence Thomas who should sit it out.

Neither justice is budging — the right decision, according to many ethicists and legal experts.

None of the parties in the case has asked the justices to excuse themselves. But underlying the calls on both sides is their belief that the conservative Thomas is a sure vote to strike down President Barack Obama’s health care law and that the liberal Kagan is certain to uphold the main domestic achievement of the man who appointed her.

The stakes are high in the court’s election-year review of a law aimed at extending coverage to more than 30 million people. Both sides have engaged in broad legal and political maneuvering for the most favorable conditions surrounding the court’s consideration of the case.

Taking away just one vote potentially could tip the outcome on the nine-justice court.

Republican lawmakers recently have stepped up their effort against Kagan, complaining that the Justice Department has not fully revealed Kagan’s involvement in planning the response to challenges to the law. Kagan was Obama’s solicitor general, the administration’s top Supreme Court lawyer, until he nominated her to the high court last year.

“The public has a right to know both the full extent of Justice Kagan’s involvement with this legislation while she was solicitor general, as well as her previously stated views and opinions about the legislation while she was serving as solicitor general,” the House Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said Tuesday in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elenakagan; kagan; scotus; scotusobamacare
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1 posted on 11/26/2011 10:37:43 AM PST by Enosh
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To: Enosh

Neither will. Perhaps they should but they won’t.


2 posted on 11/26/2011 10:40:26 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Enosh

I wonder how many maggots on Capitol Hill have spouses who are going to make millions BECAUSE of the passage of Barry’s “Healthcare” law. This crap with Justice Thomas is just a bunch of communist bovine scatology.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 10:41:53 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Enosh

Kagan has to recuse. She was directly involved and openly biased. Thomas does not have to recuse, the attacks on him are a smoke screen with no no basis done by democrats to cover for their real problem with their Obamacare pushing judge.


4 posted on 11/26/2011 10:42:47 AM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: Enosh

Thomas? No Way! He has absolutely no reason to recuse himself. He wasn’t part of drafting the bill, nor was he on the WH staff writing the defense for it, as was Mzzz. Kagan.


5 posted on 11/26/2011 10:45:05 AM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Mechanicos

Kagan has to recuse. She was directly involved and openly biased. Thomas does not have to recuse, the attacks on him are a smoke screen with no no basis done by democrats to cover for their real problem with their Obamacare pushing judge.


While true, our side is too stupid to publicize this...the fact that we have to beg our side to do publicity is sad.Truly there should be a social media campaign on this, but it appears only Dems know how to use such tools. Where is Ralph Reed? He used to be a great, savvy guy...did he fizzle away?


6 posted on 11/26/2011 10:45:45 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: napscoordinator

It is a bit like a teenage girl throwing the kitchen sink worth of arguments in order to get her way, leaving the rest of us wondering what the hell she just said.


7 posted on 11/26/2011 10:46:01 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Enosh

The GOP has to impeach if she won’t recuse.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 10:46:01 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Enosh

The design of the Supreme Court is not pretty. I haven’t thought about what the answer really is, but it’s lacking. But perhaps there is no better answer; perhaps that ugly solution is the best. It’s unwise to make changes when one really does not know what one is doing.

But it’s almost like perhaps during their terms, Supreme Court Justices should be sequestered, have no access to news, whether via TV, internet, print, radio - anything.

They have always been too aware of the politics of the day.

This is a good design in some ways, like much of the government design, that results in an imperfect mechanism but allows for continual correction. They don’t decide cases in a vaccuum, they are aware of the societal context of their decisions.

It’s just frustrating that so many opinions are politically motivated and simply a rationalization of the desired results.


9 posted on 11/26/2011 10:47:52 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Enosh
They are trying to equate Thomas and Kagan as the same.

Thomas's wife is not in government. Kagan was directly involved in the legislation

10 posted on 11/26/2011 10:48:09 AM PST by opentalk
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To: napscoordinator
Neither will. Perhaps they should but they won’t.

Kagan is the only one of the two with an actual conflict of interests. Justice Thomas has no conflict whatsoever.

11 posted on 11/26/2011 10:48:54 AM PST by WXRGina
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Well I said neither will leave so it does not matter who leaves and who stays. They both will stay.


12 posted on 11/26/2011 10:49:42 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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No, Thomas' wife should not.

The only reason they made her an issue is because they knew there were grounds for Kagan's recusal so they made something up for our side to make it sound like is it a case of moral equivalancy.

It's not.

13 posted on 11/26/2011 10:53:17 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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Elena Kagan is on the Supreme Court bench for one reason only: as a cheerleader for the Obama agenda, most of which will be tested by court challenges for many years to come. The “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” is only the first of many to be presented, but by no means the last.

She does not have judicial temperment, nor sufficient practical experience in Constitutional law, to rule competently on ANY issue concerning the interpretation of existing law, precedents, and ramifications of rulings relating to the constitutional basis for any of the Obama agenda.

With no clue as to the meaning of most of the Bill of Rights, or the spirit behind which these provisions came to be included in the Constitution, she is unfit for the office to which she is appointed.

Harriet Miers would have been a far better choice to be placed on the Supreme Court, but she was threatened with a much more rudely applied anal exam than Kagan has ever been subjected to.


14 posted on 11/26/2011 10:54:13 AM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Enosh

The left pulls the “moral equivalence” card yet again.

I am really, really angry that the Republicans refuse to speak out on this. Clarence Thomas basically has been left to defend himself, ever since he was first appointed, even though he is one of the soundest judges who has ever served on SCOTUS.

And what is Kagan’s qualification? That she is an extreme leftist who wrecked the program at Harvard Law School?


15 posted on 11/26/2011 10:55:58 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Enosh

Seems obvious Kagan should excuse herself...she’s already done so on several other instances. I don’t know about Thomas...that looks like a grey area to me. I can kinda see their point about Thomas but I’m not so sure its a strong one.


16 posted on 11/26/2011 10:57:15 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: napscoordinator

The MSM will go after Thomas. The MSM won’t see any conflict for Kagan even if she wrote the thing. lol


17 posted on 11/26/2011 10:58:24 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Well I said neither will leave so it does not matter who leaves and who stays. They both will stay.

I'll bet you're right. That's what so sickening about this. This commununist regime is completely unaccountable--lawless, actually. And, where are the people who apply the law to Obama's regime? I guess they're scared.

18 posted on 11/26/2011 10:59:13 AM PST by WXRGina
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To: Enosh

Why should Justice Thomas recuse himself?

Because the left doesn’t like him?

Kagan actually advocated for the new law. It was her job. She was paid to lobby for the law. She favors it.

She is beyond biased and needs to recuse herself

Thomas is none of those things. He has no relationship with the case.

Liberals are insane.


19 posted on 11/26/2011 11:02:59 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: Enosh

Thomas shouldn’t have to. His “involvement” is via his wife.


20 posted on 11/26/2011 11:04:17 AM PST by albie
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