Posted on 12/01/2011 10:17:53 AM PST by Maceman
I don't have time to write about my reaction, but I would be interested in the perspective of my fellow Freepers.
Personally, I thought Newt was VERY impressive, and for a whole hour.
I still haven't decided whom to support (not that it matters, since the Massachusetts primary is not going be a game changer anyway).
I have been in Cain's camp, but I am reassessing in light of what I perceive as the Cain team's mis-management of the whole sex attack thing.
Also, rightly or wrongly, unless Cain manages to win a very sympathetic public vindication in a very short time I am seriously doubting his ability to continue in this race.
I'm sad about that. But I was greatly impressed by Newt last nite for a lot of reasons I don't have time to get into just now.
What did alla y'alls think?
“A Nation Like No Other: Why American Exceptionalism Matters” by Newt Gingrich is available at amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Like-No-Other-Exceptionalism/dp/B005DI8LIW
You speak well, but your analyzer seems to be malfunctioning. Let me simplify it for you.
What I said, is that you have poorly formed opinions/observations of those who strongly support politicians like Angle, O'Donnell, Cain, and Palin.
You've obviously not comprehended the basic reasons that patriotic conservatives are drawn to these people.
Some of the points you posted were also mentioned by Michelle Malkin on this morning’s Fox & Friends show.
Thanks for posting this:
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Know them by their Fruit
Some of Newt’s Progressive Dossier:
04/02/1987 – He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
10/22/1991 – He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03/–/1993 – He Voted for sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 – He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 – He supported the GATT Treaty subjecting US Sovereignty to the WTO
08/27/1995 – He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
04/25/1996 – Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
04/10/1995 – He supported Federal tax dollars being spent on abortions.
06/01/1996 – He helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/25/1996 – Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
01/22/1997 – Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/29/2006 – He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a “serious debate about the 1st Amendment.”
11/29/2006 – He called for a “Geneva Convention for terrorists” so it would be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
02/15/2007 – He supported Bush’s proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
09/28/2008 – Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
10/01/2008 – Says in an article that TARP was a “workout, not a bailout.”
12/08/2008 – He was paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 – Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
07/30/2010 – Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the “Axis of Evil”.
08/03/2010 – Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
08/16/2010 – Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
11/15/2010 – He defended Romneycare
12/05/2010 – He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
01/30/2011 – He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 – He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/13/2011 – He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. taxdollars to Egypt.
02/15/2011 – His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and advocated creating “a new endowment for conservation and the environment.”
03/09/2011 – He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
03/15/2011 – Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 – He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now $7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 – He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 – He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
04/25/2011 – He’s a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
05/12/2011 – He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.
08/01/2011 – He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.
10/07/2011 – He said he’d ignore the Supreme Court if need be.
11/16/2011 – Was revealed he actually received 1.6 million from Freddie Mac, vs. his previously stated $300,000-
2009-2010 Travels around the country with Al Sharpton and Arne Duncan to promote President Obama’s new educational policies: i.e. increased local control of schools with increased Federal subsidies and regulations from Washington.
2010 Supported ultra-liberal, pro-abortion, pro-union, establishment candidate Dede Scozzafava in New York’s 23rd Congressional District in a special election, over conservative candidate Doug Hoffman.
1995 Gingrich Wrote the foreword to Alvin Toffler’s book, “The Politics of the Third Wave, Creating a New Civilization” and advocated all members of Congress should read the book. The book calls for a “New Democracy” for the 21st century which is essentially based on following Plato’s Third Wave virtues:
1. Private property must be abolished, the wealthy hated and their wealth redistributed by state mandate.
2. Children belong to, and are born to serve the state. The influence of parents is noxious and disruptive to the interest of the state, thus every child should be raised in government nurseries, without knowledge of who his or her parents are and without the parents having knowledge of who their offspring are. Every child becomes the common property of every parent in the city. Every parent has the collective duty to watch over them.
3. Private education, like traditional parenting, is at the very headwaters of falsehood and social strife. It must be eliminated and replaced with a closely monitored state school system.
4. Old values passed down in history, song, children’s books, all need to be rewritten to discredit and erase the old virtues and to exalt and enthrone the new.
5. Frivolous children’s games eliminated, new games developed that emphasize law and order.
6. Private industry is self serving. State should have absolute control of all industry for benefit of the whole.
7. Class mobility is a revolutionary idea that threatens the stability of the state and the pre-eminence of true philosophy. A strict caste system and the elimination of career choice is the answer.
8. Talent must never be allowed to wander or be wasted. Early on, children must be identified and channeled by the state for the benefit of the state into careers selected by the state.
9. Under the guise of equality, women ought to be exploited: first to foment ‘class war’ during the Third Wave (women’s roles are reversed to men’s); next, to be promptly put into their place as part of a ‘community of women’ to be shared collectively by male guardians.
10. Selective breeding is beneficial to the state.
11. Unwanted babies, inferior babies, deformed babies, and the adult handicapped are an unnecessary drag on the prosperity and well-being of society. They should be left to die. Unproductive adults, likewise, should be terminated.
12. Homosexuality is morally acceptable and homosexual rape of lower-class males and boys is a right of rulers, guardians and war heroes.
13. Only a few men are foreordained to understand life and higher good… the rest are equivalent of dumb sheep.
14. Absolute loyalty to the government is vital for the success and safety of society. A state sanctioned National Police network is an essential good.
15. Wealth is not essential to the safety of the state.
- Gingrich voted to permit the Federal Reserve to purchase Treasury Debt
- Bailed out savings and loan institutions in 1991. $40B Bank bailout
- Gingrich voted to strengthen the federal home loan agencies
- Gingrich voted for increased powers to the FDIC to bail out struggling savings and loans through reorganization, purchase of bad assets, or recapitalization.
- Gingrich voted in favor of the Chrysler Bailout in 1979
- Gingrich voted for an oil windfall profits tax in 1979, which was signed by Jimmy Carter.
- Urged the House to repeal the War Powers Act and give the Presidency more power.
- Urged Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia.
- Gingrich voted against a provision requiring congressional approval prior to deployment of U.S. troops into Central America in 1983.
- Gingrich voted to increase CIA secrecy and against any requirement that the President report covert activity to congress before it is initiated.
- Gingrich voted for Jimmy Carter’s “Energy Mobilization Board.”
- Gingrich voted for an increase in taxes on coal producers in 1981
- Gingrich voted for a 5-cent increase in the gas tax to fund highway and other mass-transit projects.
- Gingrich was one of the few who voted against the 1984 bill requiring the President and Congress to submit a balanced budget
- Gingrich voted for a congressional pay raise
- Gingrich voted against a bipartisan 1% cut to the Department of Defense budget for 1983
I’m backing Newt at this point, I don’t care what these know them by thier fruit nutcases say, I liked Cain, but he’s done. The only other dark horse (who should really be the front runner) is Michelle Bachmann, I like her too, she is the only true conservative candidate in the race, the only true Tea Partier too, but look at her numbers, it shows the Tea Party movement is over.
What a drama queen! I just won’t vote for him. LOL
I think you would be astonished to see Reagan’s list, & yet he was one of the great president’s of all time. I think what many here are trying to say, myself included, is that we don’t care about the fumbles in the past as much as what will be done in the future.
Does Newt have a history of saying one thing, & then doing another? NO! He followed through w/ every single item in the Contract w/ America, he balanced the budget, reformed healthcare, etc.
Has he had some goofy, maybe even liberal ideas in the past? Sure. Has he changed his mind on some of those goofy ideas? Yes. As someone who has lived a long life, I can say many of my positions have changed over the years as well, especially as I’ve allowed religion & experience to become more a part of my life as Newt recently has.
So, if you’ve even read Newt’s 21st Century Contract w/ America, is there anything in there you disagree with, that you feel in not conservative? Newt has a history of following through w/ what he says he’s going to do. Sometimes that has been a bad thing, most of the time it’s been a good thing. Point is, if he follows through w/ what he’s said he’s going to do NOW, then we’re in much better shape than what we might be w/ some of the other candidates.
What other candidate has the history of creaming the Dems as he did in the early 90’s? Sure it didn’t last, but that’s largely due his own caucus getting limp in the wrist & Newt’s self admitted lack of experience in handling those issues. Newt now has that experience & has learned. Who else has that experience & has learned those lessons? We’re in a crisis now & can’t afford more on the job training.
We’re in a war w/ the left. Who else has a better record of beating the left? For that matter, who has ANY record of beating the left?
Is Newt a sure bet? Not even! Does he give us the best odds overall in turning this nation around? I think so.
Newt is smart and talks a good game and he always has.
His rhetoric is conservative, his governing is moderate.
He is the typical establishment RINO, and there is a long history to prove that. I believe we elect Gingrich, we will be well on our way to a one world government - unless we also elect a very conservative Congress to combat him.
I was wooed by him too, until I did my homework. I found out why he is SO disliked in Georgia.
Cain he has an army of believers praying for him and supporting him (even some fasting and praying). I believe he still has a shot. A lot can happen between now and January.
I will never, ever vote for Gingrich or Romney.
Beating Obama means nothing if you put in someone who is going to continue the same direction.
>> “Does Newt have a history of saying one thing, & then doing another? NO! He followed through w/ every single item in the Contract w/ America, he balanced the budget, reformed healthcare, etc.” <<
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First the “Contract with America” was no conservative accomplishment.
It was standard RINO establishment window dressing.
There was no balanced Budget - There was an illusion of balancing the budget, by keeping the debt service, which was close to equaling the entire rest of federal expenditures, out of the budget!
The entire debt service was paid with new debt.
>> “Does Newt have a history of saying one thing, & then doing another?” <<
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Yes, definitely, every time his lips are moving.
>> “Has he had some goofy, maybe even liberal ideas in the past?” <<
Yes, every one of them.
>> “Has he changed his mind on some of those goofy ideas?” <<
Not a one. If he is elected we will become Europe - West.
There will be no chance of recovery if Noot becomes the nominee.
>> “Newt recommended Toffler’s book because it is a warning of what can go wrong.” <<
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No!
It is a roadmap of how to commit national suicide.
Futurists are anti-conservative lunatics.
>> “Beating Obama means nothing if you put in someone who is going to continue the same direction.” <<
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Exactly!
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Recommended reading is not advocating.
Weren’t you advised to read Marx or Hitler as a warning?
Have you read it?
Do you agree with its premises?
Wake up!
Noot wrote the foreward to the book, and absolutely agrees with all they advocate.
No offense, but I stopped reading at “First the “Contract with America” was no conservative accomplishment.”
He said that the framers of The Constitution were mindful of the fact that people are not perfect.
There will never be a perfect candidate or a perfect President.
Newt admits he has made mistakes but who has not?
Loved the idea of him following Zero around rebutting his comments and claims within hours.
>> “I have been in Cain’s camp, but I am reassessing in light of what I perceive as the Cain team’s mis-management of the whole sex attack thing.” <<
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Just how would you have handled such a false and criminal attack, with a complicit propaganda ministry carrying the ball for the libelists?
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Newt was very impressive.
Would love to see him debate the kenyan.
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