Posted on 12/03/2011 11:36:27 AM PST by TBBT
By suspending his campaign instead of quitting his campaign, Herman can still get federal matching funds in 2012.
But the campaign is over. Even had it continued, it was over.
I had thought and expected that Cain would continue until Iowa. He had enough money. Dropping out after losing in Iowa would have distracted from the present issues.
Dropping out now will be viewed by a great many as an admission against interests that Herman Cain did have a 13 year affair.
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same deal with Hugh Hewitt the RomenyBOT
It was not the female accusers that led me to back away from Cain, it was other doubts which crept in. It was a disappointment when doubts about his capabilities arose in my mind because I really like Mr. Cain. It is a long time until Super Tuesday and will be interesting to see how things shake out.
That's a pile of Arlen Specter!
agree with you on voting for Bush and McCain, the democrat was worse than a case of the clap...
yep, the military was the last institution to be flushed down the drain....:O( The crazys are every where now...
May not be capitalism, but does reek of political cronyism.
I agree with that statement.
The media didn't destroy Cain, Cain destroyed himself. If none of these accusations were true, he would not have dropped out. Period. His problem was he couldn't adequately defend himself against these charges which means there was likely something to them. There is just no way around it.
I don't see it quite that way. Herman Cain immediately lost a lot of support following the initial allegations of past sexual harassment that were unsubstantiated and vehemently denied by Cain. The accusation by the woman that claimed a 13-year 'affair' was probably vastly exaggerated by her but held enough truth to make it hard for Cain to flatly deny, as he did the other accusations. I believe it was a form of 'death by a thousand cuts' that forced Cain to drop out.
Women voters are notorious for quickly abandoning any political candidate that is smeared with a sex scandal, real or imagined and, as you correctly state and as was demonstrated on FR, conservatives - male and female - won't tolerate a candidate that is suspected of having extra-martial affairs or disrespecting women. The left made sure that Cain had enough women accusing him of 'inappropriate behavior' that he couldn't keep up his defense and remain focused, financed and viable.
So, in my opinion, the left won, although Cain, like Nixon, 'gave them a sword'. I believe that eventually, long after it matters anymore, Herman Cain will be proved innocent of the smear that he 'harassed' women and conducted a 13-year affair (while battling stage 4 liver cancer). However, by then, few will care and the election of 2012, for better or worse, will have been long since decided.
Same here, we live in a retirement community and when cain said under his 999 plan he would do away with the payroll tax. Scared the hell out of people around here, coffee shop crowd was almost up in arms about it leading to a means testing welfare fiasco.
“Sarah had something in her past that kept her from running.”
Prove it, otherwise you are a @&( (*&%^().
Golly! You are one smart little cracker. Just between us: did you have to Google it first?
We’re gonna get Screwtered in the election . Watch for a 3rd party run that will absolutely insure another 4 years of Obama .
The media didn't destroy Cain, Cain destroyed himself. If none of these accusations were true, he would not have dropped out. Period. His problem was he couldn't adequately defend himself against these charges which means there was likely something to them. There is just no way around it.
Agreed. What some on this thread apparently either do not understand or refuse to accept is that social values - family values, if you will - are at the heart of conservatism.
It's not just about economic issues: as Pres. Bush once said: "America is great because she is good; if she ceases to be good, she will no longer be great."
Yup, Cain threw in the towel because he couldn't defend himself against the bimbo eruptions. There was obviously enough truth to them to drive Herman out of the race. My guess is most of the charges were overblown, but there must have been a few grains of truth that Cain just couldn't defend.
Thanks for poving my point that it had nothing to do with th 999 plan.
I never argued otherwise. 999 was a bad plan in my opinion (no thanks on a national sales tax) and Cain was too ignorant on policy (particularly when it came to foreign and defense) to win the nomination, but he would have been happy to remain in the race till he was mathematically eliminated. I think that is all Cain really wanted in the first place - a public forum to get his name in the spotlight and cement for him a position as a major conservative commentator in the future. Cain is a people person who simply loves giving speeches and influencing opinion - and prior to the various sex allegations he was doing a surprisingly good job of it.
Yeah, I saw Babeu(sp?) interviewed and was a little surprised he was throwing in w/Mitt; but, I guess that's his political calculation as to who will come out on top (shudder). I'm still considering Perry; but, also like others as well or better, right now.
Anyway, just throwing out some observations ...no “hard sell” on any candidate at present.
‘Take care,
-Geoff
My point against the poster that I said was out of his mind was because he stated the 999 plan was the reason for Cains demise....which is utter lunacy.
The one thing that makes the 999 plan bad is that it wouldn't replace the 16th, something that would be a must for any plan like that to be acceptable.
Unfortunately, repealing the 16th would be like taking the candy/power away from Congress and that isn't going to happen with this current crop....if ever. At least Cain got the conversation going.
I'm not sure what that is. LOL!
I have been involved in politics all my adult life. Actually, from before I could vote. The stories I could tell you....
Sarah Palin bailed at the perfect time to bail in. Why? Why would someone who was on the edge of a perfect wave jump off way before the shore? Why would someone who had been amazing, brilliant in my opinion, stop dead in her tracks at the crossroads of her destiny? Sure, she had made errors in the past. She was not all that she could have been when she ran with McCain. But so what! Past that cycle she was the chess master. She was almost perfect in the last couple of years. What amazing moves she made. So what if her family was a bit of a bother. That was OK it seemed at the time. But maybe not. Maybe it was what she allowed that as she tried to firewall those that knew something that you and I don't know. There is something just not right.
I am not against Sarah Palin. Not even close. But I can smell the stink. It started when she was running around in her RV. She was getting ramped up then stopped dead in her tracks. This was right before the numb nuts that was stalking her and living nearby her starting making noise.
I've seen this before in so many elections. Usually before the candidate (excepting Obama) gets cooking. It is the stake through the heart "thing" that only a few get to know about. Because of this the candidate melts through the floor.
Sorry bud but Palin has something in the past that kills her for higher office. There can be no other thing to conclude because she was stellar. Amazing. Almost perfect.
I don't know what it is. I never said I did. It does not matter what the cause is because we can see the effect. She put the brakes on. Hard!
It is a sad thing but it is what it is.
The same logic applies to Herman Cain. Unfortunate but true.
Maybe the things behind the curtain if exposed to the light of day would not be that big a deal. Maybe if we looked at some of these people with the same clarity we look at ourselves sometimes and at other we know we could look past the faults they have that we have too. But we, America, don't. Not again. We made that mistake with Obama.
We hold candidates to standards not defined by us but by editors and producers and other at the till of the media. Those that steer the boat of perception that is common reality. In our hearts and minds we know better. We know we are all creates of God. Incorrect. Infallible. Imperfect. But we will throw rocks even if we are not immune to having them thrown at us for our own faults.
I don't make the rules. I wish I did. But Sarah Palin broke one that the media can kill her with way back there. Somewhere. And that has nothing to do with today but that does not matter. Because it has everything to do with tomorrow. In my view, she does not have one.
You are correct about the reason Cain's campaign collapsed. It wasn't the 999 plan that caused it. I may have just responded to the wrong post or something. My apologies for any confusion.
I did not support 999, but I do agree that it was good that Cain got a conversation about tax reform going.
I really believe for Cain the campaign was the end game. Most candidates endure a campaign because they think the chance for the prize of political office is worth the months of awfulness. Cain is different, I think he LOVED campaigning. He is a spectacular people person, and I think he wanted to get his ideas out there, be a strong conservative black voice and establish himself as a prominent right of center political commentator in the future. He would have stayed in till he was mathematically eliminated were it not for the various bimbo eruptions.
I didn’t really believe the bimbos, but now that he has dropped out, I guess there was at least some truth there.
When the bimbos first came out I didn’t believe them at all and said so here on FR, because I could not believe he would have even started a run for the presidency with something like that in his background.
I guess I was wrong (what was he thinking?)
I respect your opinion as someone who has been involved in politics for a long time, but I think you are may be reading way too much into her decision.
I think Palin simply calculated that she couldn't win a general election against Obama in 2012. Could she have won the GOP nomination? Quite possibly, especially considering the weak field we see now. But I think Sarah is smart enough to look past the primary season and try to determine if she could win a general election. I believe she concluded her negatives were just way too high with independents and she was too divisive to win over the squishy moderates and conservative democrats she'd need to actually win in November 2012. I don't know if she is right or wrong about that, but I think that was her calculation.
Where I think she really went wrong was keeping her options open all the way till October. I think she made this calculation that she'd couldn't ultimately win a long time ago, but instead of just bowing out this time around she tried to keep herself in the spotlight and maximize her influence for way too long. The result was many Republicans saw a tease campaign, didn't like it, and she lost support within her own party to the point that she seriously damaged herself.
Palin's life has been combed over to the point I doubt there is anything out there that is a game changer. Even if she had a fling with some basketball player, so what? That happened before she or the guy were married. I really don't think anyone would have much cared. I'd say Sarah is the most vetted candidate we could ever run at this point. If Obama is re-elected in 2012, my guess is that around 2014 she will drop out of the public spotlight a little (right after the midterms), and begin prepping seriously for 2016. If a Republican wins in 2012, then I'd anticipate her running in 2020. I don't think we've seen the last of Sarah politically, and when she next runs for something she will be more prepared then ever.
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