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Live Thread: Iowa GOP Presidential Debate 9 P.M. EST/ 6 P.M. PST 12/10/11 on ABC Television
Saturday, December 10, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/10/2011 3:43:05 PM PST by kristinn

Where: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa.

When: 9 p.m. EST, 6 p.m. PST, Saturday, December 10, 2011. Debate scheduled to last two hours.

Broadcast on: ABC Televsion.

Moderators: Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos.

Candidates: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: debate; elections; gop; iowa; iowagopdebate
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To: Theodore R.

My debate score:

Debate score:
1. Gingrich- clear winner
2. Perry- did very well
3. Paul- I agree with so many things he says, but he’s nutty
4. Bachman - true conservative, the one that should be on top
5. Santorum - irritates me, don’t know why
6. Romney- pile of dog doo

and I would vote for any one of the above in the general election against the Kenyan Indonesian Marxist Muslim homo Barry Hussein Soetoro, the usurper in the WH.


1,241 posted on 12/10/2011 9:47:48 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: JulieRNR21
What he said was essentially an ‘apology’....you’re nit-picking!

"essentially an 'apology'" is not an apology, especially when in the same interview he defended in-state tuition and made it clear that he felt he was right and we were wrong.

Maybe I should ask if you support in-state tuition for illegal aliens? Do you support work visas for illegals aliens to cross freely across our borders? Perry supports both of those things, so do you?

When will you answer my questions?

I told you I watched the debate and I told you that I'll support anybody who gets the nomination with the exception of Romney. Romney gets it and I'm done with the GOP. It will be the final sign that the GOP is done with Conservatives.

BTW...Fox News Bret Baier said the Perry won the debate tonight!

You've said this two times now, and for the second time I'm telling you again that Fox News means nothing to me because it has too much filth and has too many Romney supporters parading across it and trying to tell us that Romney is the only one who can beat Obama.
1,242 posted on 12/10/2011 9:47:51 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: altura

I lived in DFW for four years. Don’t feel bad - up here we have a worse liberal rag, the Kansas City Star (AND Claire McCaskill as Senator but hopefully not after next year. She’s started another crash diet, in full campaign mode).


1,243 posted on 12/10/2011 9:47:57 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!! c)
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To: World'sGoneInsane

In that video clip which was an excerpt of his entire comment, it still took him 1 minute 9 seconds to clarify, correct himself a few times and finally get to the point he was trying to make in those last great 3 seconds. Right now Perry’s best option would be to privately hire a public speaking coach and take him/her on the road with him.


1,244 posted on 12/10/2011 9:50:54 PM PST by bd476
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To: JulieRNR21

I think he did VERY well. I could easily vote for Perry but I have to vote for the one that I think will beat the Kenyan.


1,245 posted on 12/10/2011 9:51:45 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: Cato in PA

LOL!


1,246 posted on 12/10/2011 9:52:09 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!! c)
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To: going hot
His whole aura of master debater is nothing more than a media created caricature, ..

He's a master teleprompter reader - hollow puppet

1,247 posted on 12/10/2011 9:54:10 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Shelayne

Romney lost the whole debate just on that one.
At the post-debate ABC analysis, someone mentioned
that $10K is about 1/4th of avg income of a family.
That joke is a big turn-off for many middle-income
families.


1,248 posted on 12/10/2011 9:55:24 PM PST by indpndtguy
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To: potlatch

Perry was strong tonight. I loved his bringing up the drone, and saying Obama is the problem, not something Newt said. It was brilliant to leave Mittney holding the bag with the lame $10,000 bet. Newt had a great night, but I’m not convinced he can keep his ego in check and avoid an implosion.


1,249 posted on 12/10/2011 10:03:00 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: indpndtguy

This isn’t the first time Perry showed up Mitt...people railed at Rick for bringing up Mitt’s illegal alien worker, but recall Perry got Mitt to say that he couldn’t have illegals, for goodness sakes, because he’s running for President. Such a political answer, and a slip up by revealing his totally political mindset on the issue.

Now Perry goads Mitt into offering a $10,000 bet when they were talking about Mitt’s book versions and his position on healthcare mandates for all the states, and that line is ripping Romney to shreds.


1,250 posted on 12/10/2011 10:03:54 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: SamAdams76
I thought the Mormons were anti-gambling.

Well they are also pro-life, and then there's Willard Romney....
1,251 posted on 12/10/2011 10:07:55 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: kristinn

Newt held his own, Michelle continued to attack her peers, Romney looked desperate, Paul managed to string together at least two coherent sentences, and Santorum bored everyone to tears. It looks like it may come down to Newt vs Perry.


1,252 posted on 12/10/2011 10:08:32 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Free Vulcan; Cincinatus' Wife

” - - - Funny thing is Perry is an excellent public speaker, but he can’t debate for crap. Go figure.”

Maybe this will help. Texas is a State with 5 distinct areas. All 5 areas have many things in common including an ease in striking up a friendly conversation with strangers, and a comfortable manner of easing into a serious discussion of a topic on a big or small stage/meeting/setting.

A sound-bite, Q and A, (these are NOT debates), live TV format that is moderated by East Coast Libs hired by the MSM is the viper pit that Texans must adapt quickly to, as it is opposite to what they are used to. Dr. Ron Paul is an excellent example of a Texan that has adjusted well to this system.

I missed the ABC Q & A show, but it looks like y’all think Perry has adjusted better to the Q & A format.

The best example of a politically astute, slow-talking man from a friendly, folksy State is Will Rogers, from Oklahoma.

BTW, Will famously said: “I never met a man I didn’t like - - - .” But Will never did meet Obama.


1,253 posted on 12/10/2011 10:08:57 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: AGreatPer
I think the big deal tonight was that Newt didn't screw up. Somebody has told him to cool it and let them all play catch-up.

I rather doubt Newt needs anyone to tell him how to 'cool it'. He really IS the smartest guy in the room. I didn't see anything different with Newt tonight. Newt is just being Newt - which is one reason he's winning. He isn't putting on a show - he's simply telling it like he sees it.

That resonates with people. People pick up on phoney - which is why the Establishment's Golden Boy can't get traction.

1,254 posted on 12/10/2011 10:10:12 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: af_vet_rr

If Perry surges after tonight, it will be because while everyone was dithering about Newt’s Palestinian comment, Perry came in like a laser beam on the REAL issue: Obama’s incompetence, and handing top technological secrets to the Iranians and Chicoms. Interesting that his best moment to date was on Foreign Affairs rather than states rights or domestic politics.


1,255 posted on 12/10/2011 10:15:39 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: JulieRNR21
I noted the libs/moderators nervously interrupting Bachmann to silene her when she started to weave the intriguing story about meeting the Palestinian authority at a senior level, Palestinian textbooks for kids and what they STILL SAY in Arabic about Jews being pigs, swine, children of Shatan (Satan), etc., and the "Manila Envelope" (Brilliant!) and they jumped in to try to cut her off.

This was something BAD about Palestine and their leaders and culture which ABC did NOT want going out live and into the living rooms of millions of Americans. I know my beloved Herman Cain would have said something like this, too, and they would have tried to shut him up on it too (or maybe threaten his grandchildren)...

1,256 posted on 12/10/2011 10:15:46 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Leaning for BACHMANN or SANTORUM. Lobby me for (but not against) via FReepmail if you wish...)
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To: mojitojoe

Stand by


1,257 posted on 12/10/2011 10:17:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: txrangerette

Yes, put the fork in Romney. He’s done.


1,258 posted on 12/10/2011 10:18:11 PM PST by indpndtguy
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To: af_vet_rr

Bingo


1,259 posted on 12/10/2011 10:19:45 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: magritte
Some people are still “hurt” from being called heartless...sensitive, aren’t they?

If that's Perry's biggest offense, I'll take it. All in all I think he's a true conservative and this constant barrage of attacks on him puzzle me.

1,260 posted on 12/10/2011 10:21:50 PM PST by Kenny
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