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Gingrich Threatens GOP's Chance to Nab Independents
WSJ ^ | Dec 19, 2011 | BY GERALD F. SEIB

Posted on 12/19/2011 2:48:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Why, you may ask, is the meteoric rise of Newt Gingrich giving so many in the Republican establishment a bit of holiday-season indigestion?

Look no further than party leaders' worries about the shaky Gingrich relationship with a category of Americans who may matter more than any other in the 2012 election: independent voters.

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"Gingrich Threatens GOP's Chance to Nab Independents

And therein lies the rub. The elite RINO establishment says we must run a squishy, nonthreatening, non-conservative RINO to reel in the independent fish. Well, we the grassroots tea party and our independent minded anti-big-government brethren may feel a bit differently about that.

GO, Newt!!

1 posted on 12/19/2011 2:48:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Poor independents.


2 posted on 12/19/2011 2:51:43 PM PST by swampfox101 (I)
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To: Jim Robinson

Dittos Jim.


3 posted on 12/19/2011 2:52:00 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly. Independents are not Republicans or Democrats because they want to stop the BS in Washington. They want someone who can go in, take names and kick butt. So far, Newt is the only one that could probably do just that. That’s why Republican politicians are afraid of him.


4 posted on 12/19/2011 2:52:40 PM PST by RC2
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To: Jim Robinson


I think that's a pile of BS/crap, too, Jim, becuase a whole lot of Independents are disgruntled, Mad-as-He//- TEA-Party Patriots and we LIKE Newt Gingrich!

GO GINGRICH!!!!!


5 posted on 12/19/2011 2:52:44 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Limbaugh touched on this point today.

I'm not the biggest Gingrich supporter, but if it's him, I'm in.

6 posted on 12/19/2011 2:53:13 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Jim Robinson

hehehehehe!!!! LOVE IT!


7 posted on 12/19/2011 2:53:25 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep, the RINOs are worried that a Conservative could get the nomination. Can’t have that can we. Sarc/


8 posted on 12/19/2011 2:53:39 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Jim Robinson
The elite RINO establishment says we must run a squishy, nonthreatening, non-conservative RINO to reel in the independent fish.

Yep. I've heard this nonsense over and over, even from people here on FR. FACE IT, FOLKS: Independents are inspired by people who stick to their principles, not ones who waver back and forth. Be conservative all the way, or don't run at all!
9 posted on 12/19/2011 2:53:56 PM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Romney threatens GOP’s chance to nab conservatives.


10 posted on 12/19/2011 2:54:51 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Screw the RINOS!

GO Newt!


11 posted on 12/19/2011 2:55:51 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Jim Robinson

Let’s see, when did the GOP get the independents:

Reagan in 80 and 84. Hmm, I don’t think he went squishy to get them.

The Contract with America election in 94 - and I don’t think the GOP went squishy to get them. And I’ll be damned, look who was behind that one would you?

Mid terms 2010: Don’t think we went squishy to get them in that one either.

Just when the hell did the GOP EVER win by going squishy? NEVER.

Why is this so hard for the beltway elites?


12 posted on 12/19/2011 2:55:57 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: Jim Robinson

To wonder why Gingrich has little appeal to Independents, one must look no farther than those who served with him while he was Speaker of the House.

He is, for the most part, not looked kindly upon by Republican members of the House. And that includes GOP members of all political stripes. Very few have endorsed his candidacy. In short, his candidacy has little appeal to them.

It’d be easy to dismiss these nay-sayers as the “Beltway types” or to use the old and tired “They’re RINO’s”. But it goes further than that. They saw Gingrich’s leadership abilities back then. They know.


13 posted on 12/19/2011 2:55:57 PM PST by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx
I'm an independent, and a woman! Take that, RINO establishment! :)

Go Newt!

14 posted on 12/19/2011 2:56:24 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jewbacca
Romney threatens GOP’s chance to nab conservatives.

Bingo!

15 posted on 12/19/2011 2:56:55 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I actually think he has a better chance at suburban independents, who are in the end the only independents that actually matter in the electoral college calculation (no GOP candidate has a chance at urban “independents” who are really closet socialists, and Obama has no shot at rural independents).

Suburban independents like Newt because he balanced the budget, and is an intellectual, and as such is seen by them as 1) a champion of fiscal sanity (a big issue in the ‘burbs), and 2) not the insane redneck caricature of conservatism that the media falsely tries to foist on us.


16 posted on 12/19/2011 2:58:24 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“Why is this so hard for the beltway elites?”

they want it squishy.


17 posted on 12/19/2011 2:59:16 PM PST by jessduntno (The Republican elite hates him, Rove hates him, Boehner hates him, liberals hate him. It's Newt!)
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To: Jim Robinson
OBozo's minions strikes again. :-\

18 posted on 12/19/2011 2:59:46 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: Jim Robinson
Right on Jim. Most Independents like strong leadership, less government and American ideals just as much as conservatives - they have rarely been given the chance to vote for one recently.

Oh yea - Merry Christmas!

19 posted on 12/19/2011 3:00:05 PM PST by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: MplsSteve

Conversely, I could argue they didn’t like Newt BECAUSE he was an effective leader, with all the butt-kicking that requires. He actually has a pretty good record in the House, although he was frequently betrayed by Lott/Dole in the Senate.


20 posted on 12/19/2011 3:01:19 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Jim Robinson

Was Seib born YESTERDAY?????????? Does the name JOHNNY McLame ring a bell???? What a dufus!


21 posted on 12/19/2011 3:01:26 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is just an establishment, think Rockefeller(s), bandwagon to get the sheep to jump on board for a ride. I’m hoping and have a smidgeon of belief that the sheep have been there before and will not be fooled this time.


22 posted on 12/19/2011 3:01:34 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Jim Robinson
Democrats run for office as moderates and govern and liberals.

Republicans run for office as conservatives and govern as moderates.

23 posted on 12/19/2011 3:02:10 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Just when the hell did the GOP EVER win by going squishy? NEVER. Why is this so hard for the beltway elites?

It isn't! They understand it perfectly and don't like it one little bit! They are big government elitist no different for those in the democrat party.

24 posted on 12/19/2011 3:02:56 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: trisham

If these RINOs are right, why was Reagan ever elected, TWICE? Why is he the most popular recent President, by far?


25 posted on 12/19/2011 3:03:27 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Jim Robinson

They said the same thing about Reagan.


26 posted on 12/19/2011 3:03:57 PM PST by pallis
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To: Jim Robinson
This may be the 600 pound Gorilla in the room, in regards to all the latest doom and gloom Iowa Polls for Newt. The PPP Polls and such have only surveyed registered Primary voters, supposedly and by robotic phones on land lines at that. (Probably in RUN Paul or Romney Headquarters.)

Those pesky independants can and will register at the last minute. And looking at all the unrest in the GOP, no wonder the main National polls like RCP still have Newt on top. Mainly because those Polls take a larger sample of all voters across the spectrum.

I think that Newt will do far better than some here are projecting. I would certainly not bet against him.

27 posted on 12/19/2011 3:04:14 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Thane_Banquo

You could make the argument that he was an effective leader - but he wasn’t.

He was great at getting a majority in the House - but he was not great at leading it. We lost seats while he was Speaker.

If he was so good of a Speaker, then why was he pushed out? That type of thing normally doesn’t happen to people who are doing a good job - in politics or in business.


28 posted on 12/19/2011 3:04:39 PM PST by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Why is this so hard for the beltway elites?

Because they want Obama to win. It's that simple. The victory of a legitimate conservative would threaten all sorts of crony-ism that allows the elites to profit at taxpayer expense.

29 posted on 12/19/2011 3:04:57 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: All

Both sides are reliant on independent voters to put them over the top. Neither side has numerical superiority. The key to dhimmicrat success in garnering the indies is freebies - everything from “pie in the sky” to cash payoffs.

The key to pubbies prevailing is convincing the indies that it’s better to teach a man to fish than to give a man a fish. Although that’s the morally and intellectually superior path, it is also a longshot, given the increasingly venal nature of man.

It does no good to entice the strays if you alienate your base in the process. Both Gingrich and Romney have proven to be insufficiently conservative for some right-wingers, but each in their own way may attract the indies.

I think Newt is the superior candidate.


30 posted on 12/19/2011 3:05:18 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: MplsSteve; Jim Robinson
Sorry, they know nothing. The coup against Newt started in Lindsey Graham's office, which should tell you a lot right there. Also present, Tom Coburn. These people had their reasons, but let's not overlook their own egos and self interests and let's not get bogged-down in the past when the future of our very Republic is at stake.

Rush has explained the GOP-E and elected office holders perfectly:

Every damn last one of them who ever hopes or dreams of holding higher office, will either endorse Romney, stay silent, but for sure, will NOT endorse New Gingrich, if they want support and money from either Karl Rove or the RNC for their future endeavors!!

Hence, no or very few endorsements for Gingrich from House colleagues.

31 posted on 12/19/2011 3:05:45 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Newt does need to think about how he’s going to address the large segment of disaffected former Obama voters. They’ll choke if all he gives them is red meat. When we hear talk about judges being subpoenaed, not even Robert Bork with his proposed Bork amendment (a supermajority of Congress can override any court ruling whatsoever) envisioned that. Gingrich-Huntsman? Out of practicality?


32 posted on 12/19/2011 3:05:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Jim Robinson

Just look at who is endorsing Romney ....THEY are the establishment or hope to be


33 posted on 12/19/2011 3:06:43 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Jim Robinson

Just look at who is endorsing Romney ....THEY are the establishment or hope to be


34 posted on 12/19/2011 3:06:52 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: trisham

Your post made me smile.

GO NEWT GO........


35 posted on 12/19/2011 3:06:57 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Jim Robinson

So, I am sitting here thinking “what if crazy old Ron Paul wins Iowa”? Would that really be SO BAD? I mean, if there is one guy that the RINO, “inside the beltway”, Washingtonian cocktail party circuit Republicans fear more than Newt, it is RON PAUL! They would come out against him with EVERYTHING they could throw at him. By doing that, the PACs would stop pounding on Gingrich by South Carolina and Florida and then the wins can just start rolling in!


36 posted on 12/19/2011 3:07:33 PM PST by georgiagirl_pam
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To: Thane_Banquo

As I recall there were persons in the House that went after Newt. The names Boehner and Graham come to mind . Perhaps someone on FR has info as to history at the time.


37 posted on 12/19/2011 3:07:33 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: trisham; Jim Robinson
I'm an independent, and a woman! Take that, RINO establishment! :)

Me too, trisham!

When I registered here in MS, we just register, no party affiliation! I am officially an Independent, woman for GINGRICH!

38 posted on 12/19/2011 3:08:25 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

Seriously? They won’t get money from Rove or the RNC if they endorse Gingrich?

These guys (and yes, I’ve worked on a few congressional campaigns over the years) don’t spend a great deal of time worrying about what Karl Rove, Lindsay Graham or the RNC think or whether they’re gonna get a check.

Rove has definitely got influence - but you ascribe far too much power to him than he actually has.


39 posted on 12/19/2011 3:09:32 PM PST by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: Gator113

:)


40 posted on 12/19/2011 3:09:46 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson
This just proves that the idiot establishment types payed no attention to their historic wins in 2010. Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and all other establishment types are as big a threat to our country as the Marxist Democrat Party!
41 posted on 12/19/2011 3:10:14 PM PST by Artcore
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To: onyx

Independent women for Gingrich! :)


42 posted on 12/19/2011 3:11:31 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Rush was on Greta and pointed out that worrying about the middle of the road independents is a waste of time. Energize your base and the independents will follow. But the key is energizing the base and putting forth conservative ideals.

The establishment is worried about losing influence and power hence the all out assault on Tea Party, Herman Cain, and the trashing of Trump's debate so it was canceled. If they can control these things they will not let any else do it either. It is time for the TEA Party to make a stand and be heard loud and clear this election.

43 posted on 12/19/2011 3:12:51 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: onyx
The Iowa bogus polls can pound sand. The National Poll averages still have our Newt on top. And when things start to get serious, and it begins to look like ROmney and the GOP elites are winning, I think a whole new surge of voters will show up for Newt. He truly IS the Anti-Romney, Anti-Beltway Establishment GOP candidate.
44 posted on 12/19/2011 3:13:28 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: MplsSteve

Yes, that’s what Rush said. Rove has American Crossroads.
If elected office holder want to go for higher office, forget it, if they endorse Gingrich. He said that’s likely why Governor Nikki Haley endorsed Romney.

I’m not certain that was her entire reason. Romney was an early supporter of hers, but she won the election with Sarah Palin’s endorsement and the TEA Party’s support.


45 posted on 12/19/2011 3:13:33 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: humblegunner

I heard that Newt once excerpted a blog post.


46 posted on 12/19/2011 3:14:27 PM PST by OwenKellogg
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To: Thane_Banquo
If these RINOs are right, why was Reagan ever elected, TWICE? Why is he the most popular recent President, by far?

*****************************

Excellent points!

47 posted on 12/19/2011 3:14:37 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Independent women for Gingrich! :)

YES! Two of us for sure!

48 posted on 12/19/2011 3:15:02 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Just who in the Hell do the establushment types think the precius Independents are going to run to...Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Boxer, Sanders...? Give me a freakin break.

Screw th establishment. These are the same idiots that helped shove the media whore McCain down our threats! Never again will the establishment shove another squishy moderate like Romney down our throats!

Go Newt...and give ‘em Hell!


49 posted on 12/19/2011 3:15:22 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Jim Robinson

He nabbed this indy.


50 posted on 12/19/2011 3:15:26 PM PST by moehoward
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