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Iowa: Santorum Surges, Romney Stable, Paul Dropping (Internal Polling: Romney is “pulling away”)
weeklystandard.com/blogs ^ | 12/29/2011 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 12/29/2011 6:22:38 PM PST by TBBT

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Newt is going to have trouble winning 50 delegates in Virginia when he’s not on the ballot, and he’s admitted that 1500 of his signatures were forgeries so he didn’t even turn IN 10,000 real signatures, much less 10,000 that were registered voters.

If he DOES get on the ballot, he won’t win 50, because Virginia is proportional unless someone gets 50% of the vote, and Gingrich won’t take half the electorate.


41 posted on 12/29/2011 7:10:31 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TBBT

Don’t believe the polls. I still think the Santorum score is an outlier. I still Newt will come in second once the rubber hits the road. Romney 24 Newt 20 Paul 17 Perry 14 Santorum 11 Bachman 7 Huntsman 4 Other 3


42 posted on 12/29/2011 7:12:20 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: TBBT
"Weakly Standard" -- may as well get your news from Hugh Hewitt.

More Romneyganda.
43 posted on 12/29/2011 7:13:29 PM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: show

Your right about Iowa, but in only certain respects...

This is a perception/momentum game. For certain candidates, Iowa is inconsequential in many respects (Romney, Paul), unless of course they win it. For others a poor showing can cause considerable damage (Newt, Perry).


44 posted on 12/29/2011 7:15:57 PM PST by TBBT
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To: ez
Don’t believe the polls. I still think the Santorum score is an outlier. I still Newt will come in second once the rubber hits the road. Romney 24 Newt 20 Paul 17 Perry 14 Santorum 11 Bachman 7 Huntsman 4 Other 3

Again, I like the spirit. But the polls tend to be pretty accurate. I've "disbelieved" the polls many times only to be disappointed come election day.

If I had some good alcohol laying around the house, I'd be pounding it right now.
45 posted on 12/29/2011 7:19:38 PM PST by TBBT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The odds are in favor of Newt even if he places in the top 5 in some states. Because he WILL be the clear winner in many states.

Newt is likely to win many states and has a strong chance to be the Conservative nominee. Go NEWT ! This is December of 2011 and the last 5 states will vote in 2012. The trend is the Red States will choose NEWT. Blue States might choose RINO. Purple states like Iowa not sure. But we know that Red States will choose Newt.

January
? - Iowa 28 delegates

? - New Hampshire 12
Newt - South Carolina 25
Newt - Florida 50


February
Newt - Nevada 28

Newt - Maine 24

? - Colorado 36
? - Minnesota 40

Newt - Arizona 29
Newt - Michigan 30

March
Newt - Washington 43
Newt - Alaska 27
Newt - Georgia 76

Newt - Idaho 32
RINO - Mass 41

Newt - North Dakota 28

Newt - Ohio 66

Newt - Oklahoma 43

Newt - Tennessee 58

? - Vermont 17
Newt - Virginia 50

Newt - Wyoming 29

Newt - Kansas 40

Newt - Alabama 50

? - Hawaii 20
Newt - Mississippi 40

Newt - Missouri 52

? - Illinois 69

Newt - Louisiana 46

April

Newt - Maryland 37
Newt or Perry - Texas 155

? - Wash D.C. 19

Newt - Wisconsin 42

? - Connecticut 28

? - Delaware 17
? - New York 95

Newt - Pennsylvania 72

? - Rhode Island 19

May
Newt - Indiana 46

Newt - North Carolina 55

 Newt - West Virginia 31

Newt - Nebraska 35

Newt - Oregon 29

Newt - Arkansas 36

Newt - Kentucky 45


June
? - California 172
Newt - Montana 26

Newt - New Jersey 50

Newt - New Mexico 23

Newt - South Dakota 28

RINO - Utah 40

46 posted on 12/29/2011 7:19:51 PM PST by show
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To: writer33; TBBT

I understand the reasons for centrifugation of the three legs, and the TEA party’s ability to attract and deploy independents and even RATS is because the movement is based on Taxed Enough, not Queered or Aborted enough and not Warred enough or Not Protested enough.

Thank God the TEA party has kept silent and the RATS and MITTs can’t divine what they’re going to really do.

That’s where all this schizophrenia is coming from. MITTS and RATS got disemboweled in 2010, and by ensnarling and antagonizing every possible candidate the TEA party might vote for, they somehow are still stupid enough to not really INTERNALIZE what happened to them Nov 10 and what’s going to happen again this Nov.

Hence all this weird obfuscation so far this election season, and every attempt to smother cohesion on the right.


47 posted on 12/29/2011 7:19:57 PM PST by txhurl (Perry/Pence 2012 OR Perry/Ryan 2012 or even better Perry/Abbott 2012!)
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To: heiss
Newt’s conservative rating in the last 10 years is closer to Nancy Pelosi’s rating (global warming, cap-and-trade, individual mandate, amnesty, gov subsidies, attacking ryan etc). Santorum does not have scandals like newt. Go Rick!

Hmm, where do I begin?

Newt didn't attack Ryan, wasn't for cap-and-trade and has changed his mind on global warming.

Newt was for individual insurance mandates, because we have government mandated medical treatment in this country. That means that the free loaders take advantage of medical treatment while the rest of us are mandated by government to pay for their treatment.

The best most conservative solution of course is no government mandates of any kind. Now point out for me where Rick Santorum is against government mandated medical treatment.

You of course can't.

Meanwhile, I'll point out to you that Santorum increased medical treatment mandates by voting for the Perscription Drug Benefit mandate.

Moving on to Newt's amnesty, Santorum agrees with Newt.

Roll tape....

(My bold)

So let's summarize...

Newt mentions his 25-years-and-up amnesty, and Santorum doesn't criticize Newt for mentioning his 25-years-and-up amnesty. Instead, Santorum says that his position is "very similar to New Gingrich's".

As I said...

Santorum has a lifetime conservative rating from the American Conservative Union of 88%. Newt's lifetime rating is 90%. Newt was beating Mitt in Iowa. Both are now splitting the anti Romney vote in Iowa, yielding the lead to Mitt.

And all for what?

48 posted on 12/29/2011 7:27:39 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: TBBT
There will be no considerable damage no matter Newt's placement in the IA ( Iowa is the 30th out of 50 states in regards to population) No way are that few people going to set the tone for the next President of the United States.

Our primaries are from January - June, 2012.

The Left Liberal Media is trying to set the stage for Newt to drop out. HA We have 6 months to nominate our candidate and June is a long ways away. And Newt will win in the majority of RED States. Why would Iowa or New Hampshire ever predict the Conservative choice when both states are liberal leaning?

No matter Newt's showing in Iowa or New Hampshire, Newt will continue to gain traction across the nation.

49 posted on 12/29/2011 7:28:36 PM PST by show
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To: show

That only holds in a static view...

The real world is dynamic. And what was yesterday, or today, can quickly change tomorrow. If Newt takes a bloodbath early on, his support many (likely) not be there by the time we roll around to the down states.

Hope I’m wrong.


50 posted on 12/29/2011 7:29:00 PM PST by TBBT
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“Santorum is not national material; like him or not.”

You’re being kind!


51 posted on 12/29/2011 7:30:46 PM PST by WellyP (REAL)
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To: TBBT
Evangelicals are going to screw us.

No, but we are going to thumb our noses at you while we have the opportunity.

We know that the establishment Republicans don't care about us. They want our votes, but not our values. They smugly insist that we have nowhere else to go. After the voting is over and done with, they will quickly ignore us again.

Roe v. Wade was decided by a court in which seven of the nine justices were appointed by Republican Presidents. Since then, some of the biggest enemies of social conservatives have been liberal Republicans.

This is one of the opportunities to let the Party know that we are still here and that we won't stay on the plantation forever. Bragging about your handbasket to Hell being slower than that of the Democrats doesn't impress us any longer. We have been given lip service for too long. We have lost all of the major cultural battles of the past few decades. Your promises are worthless. We have heard all of the arguments, and we have nothing left to fear from your threats.
52 posted on 12/29/2011 7:33:13 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: heiss
I have been telling this. Conservative can do well in IA. Santorum can win, or finish strong second.

Is this the point where I throw it back at the Newtbots and preach to them that a vote for anyone other than Santorum is a vote for Willard? Somehow, I am not convinced that they would take the medicine they have been dishing out to everyone else over the last two weeks.

53 posted on 12/29/2011 7:34:20 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Do you have a link for the Forgeries?


54 posted on 12/29/2011 7:34:33 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: TBBT
Evangelicals are going to screw us.

Gotta love that logic [sic]. Evangelicals are going to screw us by voting for someone other than Mitt Romney. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

55 posted on 12/29/2011 7:36:50 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Proudcongal
That's the MSM's goal right there. Otherwise, they wouldn't be pushing Santorum, trying to keep the conservative vote split.

The MSM is pushing Santorum? ROFLMAO!!! Stop it, your killing me!

56 posted on 12/29/2011 7:38:58 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

You don’t get the irony...


57 posted on 12/29/2011 7:41:41 PM PST by TBBT
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To: FreeReign
Santorum has a lifetime conservative rating from the American Conservative Union of 88%. Newt's lifetime rating is 90%.

The current head of the ACU is a Romney supporter. Imagine that.

58 posted on 12/29/2011 7:42:53 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: WellyP

Santorum could be President in a heartbeat.


59 posted on 12/29/2011 7:43:59 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: show
Newt win Michigan? Now that's funny.
60 posted on 12/29/2011 7:44:29 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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