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Was jealousy a factor in Top Gun killings?
msnbc.com ^ | 1/5/12 | NBC News and news services

Posted on 01/05/2012 5:42:25 PM PST by ColdOne

SAN DIEGO — San Diego County investigators trying to determine a motive behind a New Year's Day murder-suicide involving two Navy pilots and two other people are looking at whether jealousy may have played a role.

Sheriff's Capt. Duncan Fraser said Thursday investigators are looking at all aspects, including whether there was a relationship between one of the pilot's sisters who was also killed and the Navy pilot who committed suicide.

John Robert Reeves, 25, shot himself in the head, and the three others with him were murdered, the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said, citing autopsy results. Fellow Navy pilot David Reis, also 25, was killed by a gunshot wound to the torso, and his 24-year-old sister, Karen, suffered a gunshot wound to the head and chest, officials said. Matthew Saturley, 31, of suburban Chula Vista, was shot multiple times.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: coronado; murder; murders; navair; navy; navypilots; suicide; usn; usnavy

1 posted on 01/05/2012 5:42:27 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

brittle things snap.


2 posted on 01/05/2012 5:45:55 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Ignorance is no excuse.)
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To: dragnet2; SandyInSeattle

ping


3 posted on 01/05/2012 5:50:45 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

Hearkens back to 1993 when Lt. Alton Grizzard [former starting quarterback at Navy] was murdered when trying to intervene in an argument between another fellow male officer and his [once] female officer girlfriend.

The female was also murdered, then the shooter turned thee gun on himself ...


4 posted on 01/05/2012 5:59:22 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: ColdOne

Such a waste of youth, talent and promising futures.


5 posted on 01/05/2012 6:06:53 PM PST by catbertz (Easter egg...I wants it.)
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To: ColdOne
David Reis' body was found near the entryway...three more bodies were on the third floor of the condo, including two in the bedroom and one on a landing.

Hmmmm...Shooter on the landing? Balcony? stairway...No where to go so bullet to the head?

2 in the bedroom? Someone did not like what was going on in the bedroom?

I'm confident they know what happened and motive, but they just aint sayin.

6 posted on 01/05/2012 6:09:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ColdOne
More over here:

Coronado, California, Shooting Kills 4, Including 2 Navy Pilots, Sister

7 posted on 01/05/2012 6:11:44 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
Nothing really new there either.

The just ain't saying who the shooter was or what the motive was at this time.

My bet, is they know exactly who had the motive at this point and who had all the gunshot residue on their hand, and who was the last to die.

8 posted on 01/05/2012 6:18:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Was jealousy a factor in Top Gun(sic) killings?

Neither one of those jg's had anything to do with Top Gun, which relocated to Fallon back in 1996. Journalists are schmucks.

9 posted on 01/05/2012 6:18:19 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: dragnet2

It’s already been established that Reeves was the shooter.


10 posted on 01/05/2012 6:21:49 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: dragnet2
The just ain't saying who the shooter was or what the motive was at this time.

The shooter was Reeves.

11 posted on 01/05/2012 6:23:52 PM PST by Drew68
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To: FReepers

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12 posted on 01/05/2012 6:25:26 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Drew68

Whoop...Yeah they revealed was Reeves, but motive?


13 posted on 01/05/2012 6:26:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

They said the shooter was Reeves. They said Reeves was “confused about a supposed relationship with a roommate’s sister”.

They said the Chula Vista guy was shoot far more than any other victim.

Reis’s brother came in after his sister and the Chula Vista guy were shot. He died in the doorway.

Reeves, the shooter, died of a self inflicted head wound on the landing.

My guess: he killed the Reis sister and Chula Vista guy with jealously over their relationship. Reis’ brother came in the doorway, was killed and died there.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 6:32:07 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: dragnet2

They said the shooter was Reeves. They said Reeves was “confused about a supposed relationship with a roommate’s sister”.

They said the Chula Vista guy was shot far more than any other victim.

Reis’s brother came in after his sister and the Chula Vista guy were shot. He died in the doorway.

Reeves, the shooter, died of a self inflicted head wound on the landing.

My guess: he killed the Reis sister and Chula Vista guy with jealously over their relationship. Reis’ brother came in the doorway, was killed and died there.


15 posted on 01/05/2012 6:32:27 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: dragnet2; BunnySlippers
Whoop...Yeah they revealed was Reeves, but motive?

With no surviving witnesses it's going to take a little more time for the cops to conclude exactly why this happened. They won't release speculation. The most likely scenario is the one that Bunny Slippers posted in the previous thread. A crime of passion fueled by jealousy and alcohol.

16 posted on 01/05/2012 6:39:19 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

A toughy. Tragic. Prayers for all of the families.


17 posted on 01/05/2012 6:41:52 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: ColdOne

Very unusual event. Officers generally don’t shoot each other, and nothing like this ever happens at Coronado.

What’s going on in the world?


18 posted on 01/05/2012 6:43:50 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Drew68
Seems like a lot of anger for the shooter to kill the female, and then two of the male friends.

It’s already been established that Reeves was the shooter.

Upon closer review of this particular article, they didn't say Reeves was the shooter at this point and continue to avoid saying that. They only admit Reeves shot himself. But it clearly appears to be the case, Reeves was the shooter...But ya never know until all the evidence is in.

John Robert Reeves, 25, shot himself in the head, and the three others with him were murdered

Sheriff's Capt. Duncan Fraser declined to say if Reeves was the shooter, explaining that "we don't have forensic evidence yet to say that definitively."

19 posted on 01/05/2012 6:44:05 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I suspect you need to read multiple news articles nationwide to get the better story. It appears to be straight forward story. Sad and tragic however.


20 posted on 01/05/2012 6:50:09 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
They said the shooter was Reeves.

Actually, they didn't say that.

They said Reeves shot himself, but declined to say if he murdered the others.

Yes this appears to be the case, but they have not come out and said that.

21 posted on 01/05/2012 6:51:56 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BunnySlippers
I suspect you need to read multiple news articles nationwide to get the better story. It appears to be straight forward story

Not according to this article. And I am unable to read multiple articles at once, nor do I care to.

If ya got a link that says Reeves murdered them all, please post it. I'm confident that is the case, but have yet to see them say so.

22 posted on 01/05/2012 6:54:42 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I am merely saying you lack awareness of basic details of the case.

I don’t care if you do not wish to know the currant facts.


23 posted on 01/05/2012 6:59:45 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I am merely saying you lack awareness of basic details of the case.

Uh, I'm the one who had to correct you here.

You clearly stated, "They said the shooter was Reeves."

That is not what this article stated nor what those interviewed stated.

lol...

24 posted on 01/05/2012 7:02:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

THAT is where you flaunt your ignorance. Read the news.

LOL


25 posted on 01/05/2012 7:06:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I am merely saying you lack awareness of basic details of the case.

Uh, I'm the one who had to correct you here.

You clearly stated, "They said the shooter was Reeves."

That is not what this article stated nor what those interviewed stated.

THAT is where you flaunt your ignorance. Read the news.

I am reading the news, this article right here, right now. LOL!...wow.

If ya got something that says "They said the shooter was Reeves", please post it!

26 posted on 01/05/2012 7:10:18 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Do you base your opinion on one article?

I like to watch you wallow. I will not do your bidding. Wallow freely.


27 posted on 01/05/2012 7:12:47 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
Do you base your opinion on one article?

Good grief bunny...Ya got to keep up.

I base my comments on the article I'm reading, right here, right now.

Ya got something that says Reeves killed them all, post it!

(((wow))

28 posted on 01/05/2012 7:15:41 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Egads, I will not do your research. I applaud your rugged ignorance.


29 posted on 01/05/2012 7:18:45 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
Here is what this article and the news are saying, right here, right now:

_______________________________________________________

""John Robert Reeves, 25, shot himself in the head, and the three others with him were murdered""

""Sheriff's Capt. Duncan Fraser declined to say if Reeves was the shooter, explaining that "we don't have forensic evidence yet to say that definitively."" _________________________________________________________

Did the ignorant bunny catch that?

Do you know what declined means? How about definitively?

Does the ignorant bunny understand words actually mean things?

30 posted on 01/05/2012 7:23:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You are a posting dunce! In the corner for you!

LOL


31 posted on 01/05/2012 7:28:25 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Ignorant bunny won’t admit when it’s wrong.

Bad bunny!


32 posted on 01/05/2012 7:32:48 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I cannot solve your problems. They are inherent in your personality.

Good luck.


33 posted on 01/05/2012 7:34:40 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Dumb bunny...No carrot for you!


34 posted on 01/05/2012 7:36:08 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
"Actually, they didn't say that.

They said Reeves shot himself, but declined to say if he murdered the others.

Yes this appears to be the case, but they have not come out and said that.

What's the point you're trying to make here?

The cops won't confirm who shot who until they've done ballistics testing on all four firearms found in the home. This takes time. Until then, it's pretty obvious what happened. We know that Reeves entered the condo first at a little after 2:00 am. Shortly thereafter, Karen Reis and Matthew Saturley entered. Then gunfire was heard. David Reis then entered the home and more gunfire was heard. At 2:20 am the 911 call was made by an individual who remained outside the condo. Reeves was found with a self-inflicted gunshot to the head.

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out. The cops know what happened, they know Reeves was the gunman. They just can't confirm this publicly until all the testing has been done.

35 posted on 01/05/2012 7:39:43 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
What's the point you're trying to make here?

Read back, I could not be any clearer and my point was made repeatedly.

This article clearly did not say Reeves murdered them all and investigators at this point, have held off definitively stating that. Yes he is likely the murderer, but they have yet to state that. Simple.

It's not complex.

36 posted on 01/05/2012 7:54:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ColdOne

...uh...if Reeves shot himself in the head...wouldn’t that make him the shooter?

...stirring slowly...he, he, he...


37 posted on 01/05/2012 8:16:18 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova
Yes it would make it likely. But again, according to the article, and the investigators they cannot definitively state he is the murderer at this time.

Yeah, he likely murdered them all, however, there is always a chance he didn't. Trust me, stranger things have happened and this is delayed until all the evidence tells them that.

Simply put, until their investigation is completed, they won't definitively tell ya who the murderer was and or what the likely motive was.

I personally am more interested in the motive.

38 posted on 01/05/2012 8:48:45 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Sorry, I couldn’t resist poking. :-)

But, you’re right. “Why?” is the big question.


39 posted on 01/06/2012 6:45:51 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova
You might direct that at the poster you actually responded to in 37.

But, you’re right.

Yes, I know.

40 posted on 01/06/2012 8:53:39 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
"You might direct that at the poster you actually responded to...

I did direct it to the one I actually responded to.

And, he fell for it...hook, line & sinker.

41 posted on 01/06/2012 10:42:24 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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