'Birthers' Nonsense Sets Georgia Up For Ridicule -- Again

Columbus (GA) Ledger-Enquirer ^ | January 27, 2012

[newheart]

Hey, so I waited until after my second cup of coffee... sue me.

Coffee cups? Did someone mention coffee cups?

[glock rocks]

I see dead people.

dripping tar and smoking feathers.

[RightSight]

The irony of the situation is that obozo might have a better chance of being considered natural born if there were no father listed on the birth certificate.

[douginthearmy]

Guess what - that's right - there are statutes covering all the scenarios above - except one! The last one!

14th Amendment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Oh, and putting religious issues aside, all laws are manmade.

I will be convinced when the Supreme Court agrees with you and codifies your opinion. Until then we effectively have only persons who are citizens at birth and those persons who are aliens at birth and at some point after naturalize.

[MMaschin]

The irony of the situation is that obozo might have a better chance of being considered natural born if there were no father listed on the birth certificate.

That's 100% true. If that were the case, then I believe he WOULD be a natural born citizen.

[TheOldLady]

I see a lot of stupid people today. Sheesh! I'm running out of zot graphics again! LOL!

[philman_36]

So are you saying that a table top requires two tables?

I wouldn't, but it sure as hell needs at least three legs.
Are you the third leg?

[philman_36]

Stuck in the Middle with you

[RightSight]

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here, but perhaps one of the reasons obozo and/or Jablonski didn’t participate and enter anything into evidence (the birth certificate) was because the document wouldn’t hold up to forensic analysis and verification?

[RightSight]

...due to problems related to the non-sequential numbering, vis-a-vis the Nordyke twins’ BCs. (Addressed in testimony in yesterday’s hearing.)

[RightSight]

Entering such into evidence, as well as responding to the testimony about the social security number would open the door to additional charges including document tampering, fraud, and perjury, among others.

[DiogenesLamp]

A NBC is someone born in the US. Period.

No it isn't. As the stated purpose of Article II is to prevent foreign influence in the executive branch of government, any definition which does not accomplish this purpose is wrong.

You are wrong.

[douginthearmy]

Are you the third leg?

Well, the ladies do call me "Tripod".

[DiogenesLamp]

You might have a closer look at the parentage of America’s past presidents. If what you suggest is correct, there’s been a whole lot of violating going on.

There are only TWO examples of Violators. Chester A Arthur and Barack Obama.

All other Presidents were born to two American Parents, or were permitted under the grandfather clause in article II.

Chester Arthur got away with it because of deceit. Obama has gotten away with it so far because of ignorance. You need to stop spreading crap.

[MMaschin]

14th Amendment: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Oh, and putting religious issues aside, all laws are manmade.
I will be convinced when the Supreme Court agrees with you and codifies your opinion. Until then we effectively have only persons who are citizens at birth and those persons who are aliens at birth and at some point after naturalize.

WHOOO HOOO! You're proving my case for me!

That is EXACTLY what the Minor v Happersett case is about!!!!

In Minor, Minor argued that she was a 14th Amendment citizen (just like you!). The Supreme Court of the United States said you are both wrong! Because she was already what the court construed as a Constitutional 'natural born citizen'!

Codified would be an act of the legislature - but the Supreme Court has construed the meaning of 'natural born citizen' as exactly that which I posted earlier - born in the country of two citizen parents.

[DiogenesLamp]

You guys do realize there is a reason that Mark Levin completely dismisses you right?

And what would that be, pray tell?

[DiogenesLamp]

Until the 14th Amendment was passed you could be born in the US and not be a citizen (slaves).

And Indians. Indians were not made citizens at birth until 1924 with the Indian citizenship act.

[philman_36]

Well, the ladies do call me "Tripod".

They call you a dog!?

Sucks to be you!

[Ratman83]

Yes that is also correct, but hey these others know it all.

[DiogenesLamp]

Each citizen child does not require 2 citizen parents any more than each table top requires two tables.

Well, firstly, citizens DO have two parents regardless, so your analogy breaks down right there. Secondly, in 1787, the mother's original citizenship was irrelevant, because upon marriage a woman was automatically given the citizenship of her husband if it was previously different.

What this works out to mean is that the FATHER being a citizen was always a requirement to create a citizen. The mother's citizenship was irrelevant. This did not change until 1922 with the Cable act, which allowed women to transfer citizenship themselves.

Now it has been pointed out, that if a statute is required to make you into a citizen, then you are not a "natural citizen", you are a citizen which was created by the action of a statute.

Natural citizens existed prior to 1922. They always had Male Citizen Fathers, because citizenship has always been passed down by the father. Note my tag line:

" Partus Sequitur Patrem. "

The Word Patriotism literally derives from "the country of my father."