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Newt Gingrich Is Right (NYT Ed on Fla)
NYT ^ | 12-3-12 | Rosenthal

Posted on 02/03/2012 11:37:06 AM PST by VinL

You did not misread the headline; and it’s not just a truism about Mr. Gingrich’s political orientation, I mean he’s correct—that Florida’s winner-take-all primary system isn’t fair.

According to Republican National Committee guidelines, all contests held prior to April 1 must allocate delegates proportionally. But Florida, not wishing to change procedures or fall behind other states, decided to flout the RNC rule, which means that Mitt Romney will get all 50 of its delegates. Mr. Gingrich—who came in second—will get none. Under a proportional system, Mr. Romney would receive 23 and Mr. Gingrich 16.

Not only that, NPR has calculated that Mr. Gingrich would currently be leading his rival 39 to 32 overall (New Hampshire plus South Carolina plus Florida), if delegates were allotted proportionally.

Mr. Gingrich’s campaign, which has surely done the same math as NPR, has complained to the Florida G.O.P., and consequently left me in a rather unfamiliar position. For perhaps the first time in my life, I completely agree with the former House speaker and future moon colonist.

Mr. Gingrich might have raised this issue before the Florida primary, when some polls suggested he could eke out enough of a plurality to benefit from the winner-take-all system. I doubt he would care about the RNC guidelines if he’d managed to win, and I doubt Florida’s delegates will be instrumental in determining whether Mr. Romney or Mr. Gingrich earns the G.O.P. nomination.

But the point is that a candidate in a two-person, winner-take-all primary could get 49.9 percent of the votes, and receive no delegates, and that’s not right. As our editorial board has said many times, both parties’ rules should be rewritten to guarantee that the number of delegates a candidate receives accurately reflects his percentage of the popular vote. (snip)

(Excerpt) Read more at loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: delegates; elections; fl2012; florida; gingrich; newt; nytimes; winnertakeall
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To: Lazlo in PA

If you have quotes of Rush endorsing Mittens, then post them now. Otherwise you are just making stuff up. The same goes for Beck and Levin who are promoting Santorum.
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I’m not making anything up. If Rush were consistent, he would be denigrating the Romney candidacy, and promoting Newt and Rick. Romney=McCain! But, he’s not. What is he telling us— Romney’s a conservative?????

As for Levin and Beck, they are promoting an alternative conservative (based on your statements)— Rush is harboring everything he purports to be against in not actively disavowing Romney. Wonder why???

Thankfully, Jeb Bush isn’t running because I know exactly what I would hear from Limbaugh in that regard.


41 posted on 02/03/2012 1:04:26 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: manc

Yup. I will NOT vote for Romney. And I will do everything that I can to educate people about him.


42 posted on 02/03/2012 1:06:44 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: VinL
If Rush were consistent, he would be denigrating the Romney candidacy...

He has been.

43 posted on 02/03/2012 1:08:51 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Riodacat

I have heard NOTHING from RUSH that indicates what YOU said....he’s been trying to stay OUT of endorsement...it’s been VERY obvious.


44 posted on 02/03/2012 1:09:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: VinL

So, you want Rush to DENIGRATE a GOP candidate before the primaries are over?...kinda stupid if you ask me...


45 posted on 02/03/2012 1:14:09 PM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Riodacat

Fact check ... primaries are not over. Indiana’s will be in May.

Also, 35 or 50 delegates is a long way from the 1,100 or so needed to win the nomination.

Finally, Rush has been wrong before. You could look it up.

Opinion: Romney doesn’t stand a chance against Obama.


46 posted on 02/03/2012 1:23:54 PM PST by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: Lazlo in PA; VinL
If Rush were consistent, he would be denigrating the Romney candidacy...

"He has been."

It's been really hard to miss that. Romney is clearly his third choice among the GOP candidates (before Paul).

I wonder why it's so hard for some to recognize that. They can't possibly be listening.

47 posted on 02/03/2012 1:27:31 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: VinL

Can anybody who is actually from Florida tell me who and how the Florida primary date is established?


48 posted on 02/03/2012 1:29:06 PM PST by Rogle
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To: goodnesswins

So, you want Rush to DENIGRATE a GOP candidate before the primaries are over?...kinda stupid if you ask me...

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Precisely! You got my intent with exactitude! Rush has always trumpeted his devotion to Ronald Reagan-—Now, what would Reagan think of Mitt Romney???? I know exactly what he would think.

You have 2 conservatives in this race-(Newt and Rick)-— and we have an avowed liberal.. And Rush, can’t seem to decide between the 3.

My, my my.

I always respected Limbaugh as a devotee of conservatism and the grassroots— but like Ann Coulter and others, he’s now showing his true colors.


49 posted on 02/03/2012 1:30:00 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
B T T T ! ! ! ©

50 posted on 02/03/2012 1:33:48 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: okie01

It’s been really hard to miss that. Romney is clearly his third choice among the GOP candidates (before Paul).

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If Rush is Rush, Romney shouldn’t be a choice at all- now should he?


51 posted on 02/03/2012 1:34:04 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: VinL
According to Republican National Committee guidelines, all contests held prior to April 1 must allocate delegates proportionally.

I did not know this. Curious that no one chose to challenge how FL planned to distribute their delegates prior to the primary. I can understand why neither Newt nor Mitt would want to, as they would not have wanted to share if they won. But I have to wonder why Paul or Santorum didn't bring it up.

52 posted on 02/03/2012 1:39:23 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Riodacat

I disagree. As a Floridian who voted for Newt and who resides in one of the Counties that Newt won, I don’t appreciate my vote being quashed!


53 posted on 02/03/2012 1:41:22 PM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: liberalh8ter

As you are actually from Florida can you tell me who and how the Florida primary date is established?


54 posted on 02/03/2012 1:44:53 PM PST by Rogle
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To: katiedidit1

Greta had Reince Priebus on her show Wednesday night and asked him about this. Priebus said that the RNC has in place a specific committee for contested election results. He said that Gingrich would have to file a complaint with that committee, and that it would have to be heard and decided by them. Preibus said that in his opinion the matter had been dealt with by stripping FL of half their delegates, but, that if the Gingrich campaign thought otherwise, they needed to file that complaint. I had the impression from what he said that a complaint hadn’t been filed, at least as of Wednesday night. I hope we haven’t heard the last of this!


55 posted on 02/03/2012 1:50:42 PM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“I will NOT vote for Romney.”

Well thats good hear. Me neither.


56 posted on 02/03/2012 1:51:53 PM PST by Clyde5445
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To: okie01
It's been really hard to miss that. Romney is clearly his third choice among the GOP candidates (before Paul).

He's been as crystal clear about that as a man can possibly be. I'm convinced that those who continue opining that Rush is in the tank for Mythens actually never listen to Rush's show.

57 posted on 02/03/2012 1:53:56 PM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Rogle
The Governor, the Senate President and the House speaker appoint members to a committee, the Presidential Preference Primary Committee. It went down like this:

Senate President Mike Haridopolos, R-Merritt Island, named Sen. John Thrasher of St. Augustine and Sen. Rene Garcia of Hialeah, both Republicans, and Democratic Sen. Gary Siplin of Orlando.

House Speaker Dean Cannon, R-Winter Park, chose two Republicans, Reps. Carlos Lopez-Cantera of Miami, and Seth McKeel of Lakeland and Democrat Cynthia Stafford of Miami.

Gov. Rick Scott named former Gov. Bob Martinez and his deputy chief of staff Jenn Ungru, both Republicans, and former Democratic state Sen. Al Lawson.

58 posted on 02/03/2012 1:57:18 PM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: liberalh8ter
In other words the RNC did not break its own rules and the State GOP did not break the RNC rules, it was a state bi-partisan Committee that set the date. One last question is it state law as it is here in NM that Florida is a winner take all state.

I for one do not want a political party infringing on state’s rights we get enough of that from the Feds.

59 posted on 02/03/2012 2:03:30 PM PST by Rogle
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To: All

Lots of dicussion about this subject on TV, but no one is discussing that Santorum in an interview yesterday morning (day before ?) said that everyone understood before the primary that the delegates would be awarded proportionally.

The interview was on after the Fox & Friends program. Sorry, can’t think of the blondes name.


60 posted on 02/03/2012 2:03:46 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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