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SUPER BOWL XLVI DISCUSSION THREAD - Patriots v Giants
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Posted on 02/05/2012 8:15:19 AM PST by doug from upland

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To: chessplayer
As far as I’m aware, Manning and Elway are the only two QB’s self-centered and arrogant enough to refuse to play for who drafted them. You saying Eli is better than Unitas, Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Staubach, etc.?

A player drafted by a team does not have to play for that team. I assume >90% of players drafted are ecstatic that they have been drafted and couldn't care less who the team was. But there have been players who have been drafted and refused to show up to Summer camp seeking a larger signing bonus. A player can ignore the team that drafted him, sit out a year, and then become a free agent. I remember outstanding players in the past who let it be known they would not play for a certain team who had a high draft pick and that team would affect a trade for draft picks with another team. On Draft Day you commonly hear about teams trading up or down to guarantee a player goes to a certain team.

I can only repeat what I have said previously, if you have a resume great enough on draft day you can attempt to dictate your own terms. It is the nature of the beast that the NFL has created.

One last thing. The players you focus on, Elway and Eli Manning certainly have proved their elite status post draft. Elway's heroics are legendary and Manning now is a 2X Super Bowl winner and a 2X Super Bowl MVP. Both have proved their worth.

901 posted on 02/05/2012 8:36:45 PM PST by JohnG45
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To: Biggirl
And the I thought the SEC gave the NFL great quarterbacks.

The comment was about SEC option quarterbacks ...

BOTH Mannings played in the SEC, as drop-back quarterbacks - Peyton at Tennessee and Eli at Ole' Miss ...

902 posted on 02/05/2012 8:37:37 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: jwalsh07

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/video-wes-welker-drop-probably-cost-patriots-super-032151155.html

The reason Giants won the Super Bowl. And no hand was in his face to make him drop it. Brady was right on the money and the receiver dropped that he could catch in his sleep.

“NBC commentator Cris Collinsworth said Welker makes that catch “100 times out of 100.” I’d argue that 99 out of 100 would’ve been more accurate.

The Giants went ahead with a touchdown on the ensuing drive, and it would prove to be the last score of the game. 21-17 Giants was your final.

According to Greg Bedard of the Boston Globe, Welker’s having a tough time dealing with it. “It’s one I’ll have to live with,” he said as he fought back tears.

The Patriots did have a chance to come back after the drop and the Giants touchdown. They took possession on their own 20 yard-line with :57 to play, but again, drops buried them. Deion Branch dropped a ball on first down, Aaron Hernandez dropped one on second, and the Patriots were behind the eight-ball. They did get close to midfield for a Hail Mary attempt, but it was a pipe dream that wasn’t meant to be.

Of all things, the Pats were done in by a drop by Wes Welker. He was targeted eight times on the day, and caught seven balls. That’s the one he missed. He’s made a career out of having terrific hands and coming up with big-time catches in traffic. Not that this catch would’ve been the easiest one in the world, but it’s one you can usually depend on Welker to make. If you could pick any receiver in the world to make that catch, Welker wouldn’t be far down your list”


903 posted on 02/05/2012 8:38:48 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: doug from upland

Not a good Super Bowl match-up.

I would have preferred the Ravens, Texans, or Steelers from the AFC and Packers, Saints, and 49ers at least from the NFC.

Since I’m from Pittsburgh, I’ll make some obnoxious comments in favor of Pittsburgh qbs:

Montana > Brady as a plain old winner

Namath > Eli as lucky champion that plays in NY

Marino > Peyton statistically for his time


904 posted on 02/05/2012 8:44:53 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: 1scrappymom

I think about some of the great players of the 50s and 60s and they must be absolutely aghast at what the game has become. Especially the amount of money that is tossed around. These kids that celebrate a big play when their team is down by 20 point are a disgrace. Yeah, you are so special that your team is losing. It’s less about the team and more about the individual.


Exactly! The celebrating is disgusting! Green Bays much overrated Jermichael Finley is a good example. He’s earned the nickname “Hands of Stone” in GB. He’s had a lousy season, but the few balls he did manage to hang onto he would celebrate like he just caught the winning TD in the SB. I remember when just spiking the ball in the end zone was considered over-celebrating. The league needs to start handing out lots more 15 yard penalties for over celebrating. Thats the only way it can be stopped. When teams start losing games as a direct result of a player over celebrating, maybe players will think twice before going into their “hey, look at me!” routines. And the pre-game choreographed team “dances?” Thats another stomach turner.


905 posted on 02/05/2012 8:47:03 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: doug from upland

I taped the game in the hope that the Giants would lose. Then I could have sat back in leisure as I watched the ever so slightly less hated Pats do it to them. Oh, well. Instead I will watch last years SB between the Packers and Steelers!


906 posted on 02/05/2012 8:59:10 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

I agree totally with the penalty. However, the NFL seems to be totally embracing the whole “gangsta” mentality.

And the pink shoes this year made my head hurt. Its a good cause stopping Breast Cancer but could you see someone like Mean Joe Green or Jack Lambert or Randy White wearing pink? LOL. Or Dan Dierdorf or Mike Dikta?

I guess we should just go and watch NFL Films and remember the Good Old Days.


907 posted on 02/05/2012 9:09:00 PM PST by 1scrappymom
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To: Utah Binger

Dang!

I missed the palm trees Friday night when I was downtown in this MESS!!

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30375730/detail.html

We were just getting ready to park (after taking 45 minutes to go 3 blocks!)


908 posted on 02/05/2012 9:27:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Lmao I legitimately laughed at this


909 posted on 02/05/2012 10:00:31 PM PST by chevydude26
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To: Mr. Wright
Take New England minus the 3 points and take the OVER 55.

Make some real $$$$$$$$

You saw it here!!!

Hope you didnt put the mortgage on either one of those!

910 posted on 02/05/2012 10:07:27 PM PST by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: capydick

LOL


911 posted on 02/05/2012 10:32:29 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Joe Biden is calling San Fransisco right now to congratulate their Mayor.


This deserved more love. Best laugh on the thread!


912 posted on 02/06/2012 12:07:13 AM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: All

Overall it was an exciting game from start to finish.

1st. Congrats to the Giants for winning the SB.

2nd. Why there was the call for good sportmanship on the part of some posters here is because just because it two pro football teams is because good sportmanship must be practiced by fans be it pro teams or kids football, and that extends to championship games. I make no apologies for this. NONE.


913 posted on 02/06/2012 2:31:07 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: volunbeer

It was. LOL.


914 posted on 02/06/2012 2:31:43 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow
Morning bump for a great joke...

Q. What do you call a Patriots fan with a bottle of champagne?

A. A waiter.

Got a Patriots fan in your life? Sic 'em. (Lots of John 'why the long face' Kerry types around New England this morning...)

915 posted on 02/06/2012 3:07:40 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Makes no bit of difference, both NY and NE is FULL of liberals!


916 posted on 02/06/2012 3:19:21 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

One difference...the New England liberals LOST!!! It’s a beautiful morning in America!


917 posted on 02/06/2012 3:34:53 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

With the sun coming up, it is going to be a beautiful day, with a very mild winter which has been very kind to northeasters indeed. :)


918 posted on 02/06/2012 4:00:37 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
With the sun coming up, it is going to be a beautiful day, with a very mild winter which has been very kind to northeasters indeed. :)

Enjoy your day...I KNOW I will...

919 posted on 02/06/2012 4:09:53 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Me too! Win or lose, this is BEAUTIFUL DAY! :)=^..^=

Plus I look forward again to college basketball games again and pitchers and catchers reporting in the next few weeks. :)=^..^=


920 posted on 02/06/2012 4:36:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: doug from upland
I had originally guessed that the Giants would win 30-20 (because the Giants running game had improved quite a lot lately), but in the end it was just the flat-out sheer will of Eli Manning that won the game. He'll be discussed as a greater post-season quarterback than his older brother Peyton, whose career is nearing an end even if he does go to another team.
921 posted on 02/06/2012 4:40:42 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: who knows what evil?
It’s a beautiful morning in America!

I thought the same thing.

Congrats to the Super Bowl Champion Giants.

And to the Cheatriots, Tommy Cry-Brady and Belicheat, thanks for the laughs for choking to the underdog in the Big One yet again.

922 posted on 02/06/2012 6:19:07 AM PST by Amagi (You can't discuss Camelot without mentioning Squire Ted & the Lady in the Lake.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

ROFLMAO!!!!...............


923 posted on 02/06/2012 6:58:54 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: Clemenza
Gisele resembles a shemale.

LOL. And what a a class act, blaming Tommy Bridgit's-Brady-Daddy's teammates for the loss. Brady's Wife, Gisele Curses After Pats Loss .

Cry me a river in your Mao bikini.

924 posted on 02/06/2012 7:15:45 AM PST by Amagi (You can't discuss Camelot without mentioning Squire Ted & the Lady in the Lake.)
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To: Theophilus

Hi. I’m here but not nearly as much as before. Working way, way too many hours to survive the Obamaconomy.


925 posted on 02/06/2012 7:39:21 AM PST by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: nutmeg
Just reading through the thread and seeing comments regarding the Clint Eastwood commercial, I have to chime in.

I realize some are saying since this was a commercial for Chrysler, a government bailed out company, that it was technically an add to re-elect Obama. Or that Eastwood was "shilling" for Obama.

And I beg to differ. Knowing Clint Eastwood leans more libertarian than liberal and that he was on the Cain train at one point, I'd have to say, this was about exactly what he said - Bringing America back. Eastwood has even said, He's no fan of Obama!

I liked the commercial and heard a rallying cry within the message of the ad. No, it didn't inspire me to buy a govt motors car, and no it definitely didn't inspire me to vote for Obama. Quite the contrary. I believe in America, and I believe the message of the ad, that WE will come back and build this country stronger. The AMERICAN PEOPLE. Not the government. And I also believe the MAJORITY of Americans BELIEVE in this country, and the SPIRIT of this country and would also agree, NO MORE OBAMA.
926 posted on 02/06/2012 9:29:02 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Watching Tom Coughlin with his hat over his heart, singing the Star Spangled Banner before the kickoff, just gave me goosebumps. Then what a great game! The Giants really deserved the win, it was awesome! Certainly out-classed the patriots by a great deal more than the point spread.


927 posted on 02/06/2012 9:43:40 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: doug from upland

Posh. Piffle. Balderdash. NY didn’t give you Hillary. Illinois via Arkansas gave Hillary to all of us. We were just trying to give her back. Although it seems she forgot to take that randy billy goat Bill with her when she went back to D.C. Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking with it.


928 posted on 02/06/2012 3:00:04 PM PST by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Barf-O-Rama.


929 posted on 02/06/2012 5:27:20 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Future Meteorologist.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Obviously you have never played the game. The pass Manning threw on the sideline fade at the end of the game was perfect. The pass Brady threw to Welker was 2 feet behind hin and 3 feet high. When a quarterback throws a pass like that to a receiver it is generally because he doesn’t like him because those kinds of passes end careers. Eli 2, Brady 0.


930 posted on 02/06/2012 7:35:37 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Lucky9teen
And I also believe the MAJORITY of Americans BELIEVE in this country, and the SPIRIT of this country and would also agree, NO MORE OBAMA.

Great post in #926, Lucky9teen. I hope you're right! :-)

931 posted on 02/06/2012 10:36:25 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: jwalsh07

Brady 5 Super Bowls, 3 Super Bowl wins.

Eli 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl wins.

Case closed.


932 posted on 02/07/2012 7:28:25 AM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I’m not sure either - I guess I should go read whatever’s on Wikipedia’s ST page. They did several albums I liked, no doubt.

If you like music from that era, see what you think of these (old artist, new material)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxhZloPhuE

(He’s not a great singer, but he is a great writer. And that slide guitar (played by his understudy) - how sweet is that?? It’s stuck in my mind and I can’t get it out!!)

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF3b9Kpgkw8

(great message by an old rocker who turned to Christ)


933 posted on 02/10/2012 5:44:03 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

I got my ST albums confused. The one that I have and fell in love with is ‘Brother Where You Bound’. Not played like their earlier stuff (put out in 1985) but it is an awesome album. I like all of their work but Brother where you bound is different but the best (It’s after a change in band personnel too).

Thanks for the links! I’ll be listening.


934 posted on 02/10/2012 6:36:10 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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To: Paul R.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeNrak8kgBM

If you have time later in the evening, check this out.

I’ll be listening to the links you sent this evening as well (on dial up here :O ) lol Doesn’t load too well when I’m surfing.


935 posted on 02/10/2012 6:48:06 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Well, finally getting back to this! (And very OT, but I suspect almost no-one is still following this thread.)

BWYB is great stuff! Appropriate too! Too bad THAT was not played at the Super Bowl. “Dedicated to our President...”

I should try to find a copy of the 1985 release (better recording in some ways):

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=supertramp&sort=album&order=asc

P.S. The DR site is clean at present, but the last time I was there, “justice for audio” (a link on the DR site) had been hit by some sort of malware. :-(


936 posted on 02/13/2012 8:33:21 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I don’t know if you’ll see this (maybe I should just PM you), but I wanted to “publicly” thank you for your mention of Supertramp’s BWYB — I only had it on vinyl until your post, and your post about it prompted me to A) Check the Dynamic Range Database for a potentially better than average release on CD; B) Having found a well rated German release on the DR database, I looked for that release on eBay and was able to snag it.

On a really good hi-fi system - oh, my goodness!! This is an incredibly good recording, which just brings out the musicianship all the more. “Brother” smokes most modern pop music so badly that I don’t even know how to describe the difference. (Sorry, Adele fans.) Maybe saying that it’s like comparing a powerful thunderstorm to a mewing kitten covers part of it, except that BTWB’s quieter and delicate sections are terrific too.

It’s also pretty interesting how BTWB’s lyrics, originally written for a much different political season, still strike a chord, though not in exactly the same way the band originally had in mind!

Anyway, I’ve been enjoying the heck out of my new copy of Brother Where You Bound, so, thanks again for bringing it up! :-)


937 posted on 03/10/2012 11:16:20 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

Hey..what a great post. Thanks! I read it and you know what? I could (can) hear that song, each chord, the footsteps all of it. Of course it’s not ‘quite the same’ as playing it but for now it will have to do as it is late, I’ve lost an hour now because of the stinking time change, but wanted to wind down and check FR out before heading in.

Anyway, as one former colleague used to say: well darlin’ thank you for thanking me... :)

Take care my FRiend.


938 posted on 03/11/2012 1:03:21 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is in the White House and the Halls of Congress)
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