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Why has GOP turnout taken a dive? (MO down massive 57%)
CNN Politics ^ | February 8, 2012 | John Avlon

Posted on 02/08/2012 12:04:30 PM PST by red flanker

Beneath Rick Santorum's stunning three-state sweep on Tuesday stands another stubborn sign of dissatisfaction with the status quo: Republican turnout is down.

I'm talking embarrassingly, disturbingly, hey-don't-you-know-it's-an-election-year bad. It is a sign of a serious enthusiasm gap among the rank and file, and a particularly bad omen for Mitt Romney and the GOP in the general election.

Here's the tale of the tape, state by state, beginning with Tuesday night: Minnesota had just more than 47,000 people turn out for its caucuses this year -- four years ago it was nearly 63,000 -- and Romney came in first, not a distant third as he did Tuesday night. In Colorado, more than 70,000 people turned out for its caucus in 2008 -- but in 2012 it was 65,000. And Missouri -- even making a generous discount for the fact that this was an entirely symbolic contest -- had 232,000 people turn out, less than half the number who did four years ago.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gingrich; paul; romney; santorum; santorumwin
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To: no dems
I think the problem right now, in the Primaries, is that people are turned off by all the in-fighting between RINO-Rom and Newtie.

Or it may simply be that many Republicans don't care who ends up being the nominee, as long as he wins.

61 posted on 02/08/2012 1:32:17 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: red flanker

Some people told me they did not bother to vote in Tuesday’s election because it was meaningless since the delegates would not be bound.


62 posted on 02/08/2012 1:33:24 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: red flanker
Hard to get excited over the choice between moldy leftovers, stale bread, thin gruel, and old fruitcake.

The GOP pantry needs restocking.

63 posted on 02/08/2012 1:49:46 PM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: sanjuanbob

“Negative campaigns breed negative sentiment leading to negative turnout leading to a LOSS.”

The campaign had moments of enthusiasm and then Newt took charge in the debates and produced real enthusiasm with Conservatives and Tea Party members and he jumped into a lead in Iowa and nationally. The people had been waiting for someone to attack obama, stand up to the media and offer real and sensible Conservative solutions to the problems we face as a nation. He inspired and generated hope and enthusiasm. It had all the appeareance of a grassroots movement in the making. So what happened, the Romney and Paul campaigns and the Romney RINO supporters and the MSM including Fox resorted to campaign against Newt that not only extremely negative and distorted facts but also outright lied, over three weeks continued this bombardment. Romney again lied and said he couldn’t even publicly ask his PAC to quit running negative ads or correct falsehoods, none of the media took Romney to task. Finally Newt had to either quit or retaliate. He retaliated with negativity but told the truth. He is now attacked for defending himself for going negative and is accused of attacking capitalism, when in fact he was attacking legal but ethically challenged practices, much as if Larry Flint were to be challenged on his ethics if he were to be running for president and his defense would be freedom of the press and what I do is legal. The Romney campaign said the ad from Newt’s PAC was inaccurate, Newt publically called for it to be corrected or pulled. The last I heard that the Pac had contacted the Romney campaign and had asked five questions regarding Romney’s involvement with Bain on certain dates and if that information showed Romney was not in a management position at the time of these allegations they would correct or pull the ad. The latest information that i have is that the PAC still has not had a reply from the Romney campaign. Of course we know what happened after that in South Carolina and Florida.

More to the point the Romney campaign with help from the Paul campaign, the MSM, the GOP-E RINOS, the Pundits have intervened in our nomination process and have destroyed enthusiasm and trust. Most of them don’t have the balls to attack obama but now stand and try to tell us that if obama gets re-elected it’s Newt’s fault and the fault of Conservatives who didn’t line up and bend over Romney. We all know that the Republican nominee whoever it is will have the full support of the MSM.


64 posted on 02/08/2012 1:52:28 PM PST by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: nascarnation

If Obama is counting on a tossup in Pennsylvania he is in trouble, as he is not popular anyplace around here that I can see.

GOP primary turnout is so low because we are getting tantalizingly close to the point where true Conservatives choose to go off and form their own party and kick the GOP to the curb.


65 posted on 02/08/2012 2:09:19 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ConservativeDude
I believe that you and others who also subscribe to your line of reasoning are deluding yourselves. None of these candidates are generating the enthusiasm that is needed to beat Obama.

The only hope is that Obama is so reviled by those who are inclined to vote for him that they end up more apathetic than those who will vote against him. Consider the turnout for Republicans in 2008 and those who voted for McCain versus those who voted for Obama.

Obama may not be well liked, but that does not necessarily translate into motivation to get out and vote against him. What will most likely happen is apathy will take hold on both sides.

I hope I'm wrong.

66 posted on 02/08/2012 2:22:44 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: voicereason

I dearly hope Romeny is not the GOP candidate.


67 posted on 02/08/2012 2:30:15 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: red flanker

I spoke with a college friend who is a lobbyist in DC and asked him if anyone was talking about Alan Mulally as a white knight. He shocked me by saying that was a minor buzz in town.

Alan Mulally is the best CEO in America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Mulally


68 posted on 02/08/2012 2:31:50 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: red flanker

From the DC Elite RinoCracy...this is the main problem...

“S&P Threatens US With Another Downgrade In As Little As 6 Months”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2844046/posts

The RinoCracy...in DC ..which sees all through the racial lens...thinks changing the skin color of the White House occupant is all that is needed to improve the US Credit Score.

In order for that to happen ..they have to find a candidate conservative enough to con the right out to the voting booths...but not “too Constitutional” to change the DC status quo for the hogs at the trough.

Basically an impossible situtation.

Anybody capable of getting the Right out in sufficient numbers to change the White House Occupant..is going to be so Constitutional that DC will be terrified. Which is why Palin and Cain were run out of the campaign at the start.


69 posted on 02/08/2012 2:40:32 PM PST by mo
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To: Pox

interestingly, after I posted my thoughts, someone posted a transcript of Rush saying basically the same thing. That made me feel like I wasn’t just whistling Dixie.

It may well be that the GOP has no chance against obama. That is obviously what the GOP establishment believes (and perhaps wants). They might be right.

I hope not, though.


70 posted on 02/08/2012 2:48:33 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Tupelo
"Probably because at least that many have given up on the Republican party. In 2010, lots of us out here busted our butts to elect conservatives to Congress only to see the same old same old again. Two trillion dollars later, some of us are saying, “is this all there is”? Sorry, but we do not trust the Republicans any more than we trust the Democrats. Shit by any name is still shit."

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%100 correct. People worked hard and voted in 2010 for nothing. Republicans for the most part are just as bad as liberal Democrats. They won't stop the spending.

Turnout will be down in 2012 because Republicans have already shown themselves to be liars on spending an repealing Obamacare.
71 posted on 02/08/2012 2:59:47 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: red flanker
Newt inspires people to turn out in record numbers compared to 2008

There's one tiny flaw in your logic as I see it. Why didn't they turn out for him in all the other states?

72 posted on 02/08/2012 3:11:25 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: red flanker
Why?

Maybe many looked at the political and economic landscape and figured the outcome of 2012 is a done, rigged deal.

Instead, they are doing more local things - like taking inventory of their brass and beans, oiling their guns, standing on their front stoop gazing in either direction,... and asking themselves, "Is it time yet, Claire?"!

73 posted on 02/08/2012 3:26:30 PM PST by Gritty (The can no longer can be kicked down the road. We're all out of road, there's only an abyss-Mk Steyn)
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To: red flanker
JP Avalon is the type of self proclaimed moderate, who fails to see Obama as radical. I don't believe a word he writes and I've been reading his schtick for years, since he started in NYC.
Negative ads suppress turnout. End of story. The American people may be feeling better about the economy over the last 3 months, but this is a farce. We are heading for a very nasty recession, as oil becomes more expensive and inflation starts to creep up. But that isn't even the real problem. Germany can no longer keep Europe going. Forget the protests. Take a look at the Baltic Dry Index, an indicated of shipping in Europe, which has fallen 60% in the last six months. And China's real estate bubble is bursting. We will go into recession this year. The only question is will it occur in the summer or fall.
74 posted on 02/08/2012 3:29:28 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: nascarnation

You’re probably right! This is all the fault of our wondrous GOP that keeps deciding upon who should win the nomination (and of course the folks for voting for them).

We have nothing to vote for but a heck of a lot to vote against. That alone may not be enough to provide the turnout needed to prevent the destruction of the country as we use to know it.

Thank you, GOP and all of you inside the Beltway pundits!


75 posted on 02/08/2012 3:42:23 PM PST by Deagle
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To: red flanker

I think it is the adage expressed in the debates, that anyone of them is better than DimBO. While the candidate I would like didn’t get into the race, I will vote on 6 November for the Republican, including the dead squirrel.


76 posted on 02/08/2012 4:30:17 PM PST by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: steve86
steve86 wrote:
" Newt inspires old white men people to turn out in record numbers "

Your comment there may be correct to some extent, steve86. One could even add that many of the "old white men" you speak of are probably more technically inclined and not as socially and emotionally inclined as today's more influential, socialist/government-connected political folks.

America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. If we don't have a dog in this fight between the socialists and the socialists, we'll watch from the outside.


77 posted on 02/08/2012 4:46:14 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yikes ... Newt is not electable, which is why he has trouble winning primaries. Palin is not only not electable, she is not nominatable.

Go with Rick Santorum or Mitt Romney. Pick one.


79 posted on 02/08/2012 7:19:07 PM PST by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: Tupelo
Sorry, but we do not trust the Republicans any more than we trust the Democrats. Shit by any name is still shit. True. The Republican Party will probably have to be replaced by a true TEA Party, or some other true Conservative Party. But for THIS year, we have to remember that there are the true evil Dim-o-RATS, and then there is Satan hisself -- mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein 0BowMao! As much as I am unenthused by the candidates this year -- and I don't trust Mittens, who has never done anything Republican and certainly not Conservative in his life -- ALL of the dudes running this year are FAR better than Juan McCain, and one of them absolutely MUST win over 0bama or we won't have the luxury of planning for the new Party because this Country will be D.O.N.E! I believe that we won't have to worry about turnout in November -- there are plenty of people absolutely disgusted with "the won!"
80 posted on 02/08/2012 7:27:10 PM PST by RocketMan1 (The Revolution has begun?)
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