Posted on 02/11/2012 7:41:49 PM PST by Rabin
This is a larger scandal than anything like Watergate, Nobody died there. People lied and there was a cover-up.
Here, there’s lies and cover-ups and we still don’t have the answers, but people have been killed.
Fourteen hundred of these guns are still outstanding; other people will die from actions of Eric Holder and the Department of Justice.”
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R.
Read an article title on FR that said Issa has caved on bringing Holder up on charges! True?
I thought the crying Speaker of the House is the one putting a stop to Issa. Girly-boy Boehner lost his stones?
I agree. This scandal is much bigger than Watergate. The media is failing once again.
Boehner has no balls. We're talking about murder here. Murder of a federal agent. This is outrageous.
I have no doubt that Issa, et al are doing all they can to get to the bottom of this. Unfortunately, they are getting little support from higher ups.
Of course I don’t know what is going on but is Issa folds on this quest to find the truth about Holder’s involvement in GR then I have to believe he was pressured by the Elite DC Establishment!
I’m about ready to see Issa brought up on charges of failure to do his job.
How do we know when it’s just a case of gutless incompetence vs. when the investigator becomes part of the cover-up?
This whole deal stinks to high heaven!
is this like peppermint patty used to say to linus, her “sweet babeu”???
“Read an article title on FR that said Issa has caved on bringing Holder up on charges! True?”
From what I’ve read true! And the backstory is that Boner is behind the cave in. We need to get rid of that pathetic jerk! Come on Ohio, can’t you give us someone decent? I don’t think Boner has any backbone at all!
Jaime Zapata & Brian Terry.
Zero is a drug President. I am not surprized he would support the drug business. It’s all the fluff power change talk of the day.
Red 232, “Girly-boy Boehner lost his stones?”
Boehner, like his Senate counterpart, 3 Tranche Mitch. May seem weepy and snively, but they are not girly boys. They are New Plantation, Good Old Boys.
Issa is a roughneck marching to his own drummer, and his faithful sidekick Grassley, is a good man with ethanol baggage. Neither takes well to Bullying.
Rab
Fast and Furious does not compare in the least with Watergate. Not in the slightest. Nixon was a Republican.
Don’t forget that agent Victor Avila was also wounded with a F&F firearm (purchased in Italy, Texas).
Here, there’s lies and cover-ups and we still don’t have the answers, but people have been killed.
HOORAY Tina Korbe AND Sheriff Paul Babeu!
Innocent people and law enforcement DEAD? It doesn't matter who or how many die when totalitarians have a pre-meditated agenda to drive.
FUEH
FUDF
FUBO
paul, “The fix is in and we may as well stop wasting time on it”
Too cool, new version of “nothin here folks, just move on”.
Now you say “sumthin here folks, just give up”.
mMMmmmuu ya Sure
R.
No one knows where the guns came from that ICE agent Avila was shot with because the hit team left the scene and was never identified or captured. You’re thinking of the SKS bought by an FBI CI found at the scene of BP agent Terry’s murder.
No, the media is in on it.
You have to realize the Global Marxists include the media.
Soros, Trumka, Jeffrey Immelt and Sulzberger are all all on the same team.
Don't blame Issa- Bring Boehner up on charges, along with holder and buckwheat.
“Come on Ohio, can’t you give us someone decent?”
It’s certain that many Ohioans would be better suited than Boehner, however, he’s there.
As an Ohioan, I would gladly see Boehner cast aside and replaced.
The world watches in disgust.
Tig, “No one knows where the guns came from that ICE agent Avila...”
Sure, no one knows. Shoot Vic doen’t even cares, any more.
“SKS bought by an FBI CI found at the scene of BP.”
Shoot, “BP” Bryon, doesn’t even care anymore.
A lot of very good Mexicans and Americans don’t care anymore. But ifn they could, they would holler, “The Nothing is on our Southern horizon. Its engine is fueled from the darkness in the northeast.”
” No one knows?”. Some no longer care.
Rab.
I have no idea what you just said. My post simply stated a fact that it is not known what the source was of the weapons used to ambush ICE agent Avila because none were recovered.
Which explains why they are failing.
Ping
You cannot lose what you never had.
If nothing comes of this with all of the facts we have, the Republican party may as well fold up shop.
Am disgusted beyond belief.
It is the media’s obligation to protect not only a democrat administration but a Nobel Peace Prize winner as well. If our only hope is o’romney then we are truly doomed. It’s going to come to a point where I will just not care anymore, pack up and move to ????? Will the last man out please shut off the light?
FWIW...IMHO....F&F/GunWalker will prove out to be a Bipartisan Attack from DC on the Second Amendment....
And Zero is there to make sure none of the Border Patrol gets combat pay. Thanks Rabin.
The arrest of the killers
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mexico/article/6-Zetas-arrested-in-death-of-agent-1028116.php
The testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCODft0Usgo
The Texas arrest
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/05/nation/la-na-gun-arrests-20110302
*Note that there are no links from the Dallas Morning News or the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. They will never cover this scandal/crime.
FBI Criminal Informant Complicit in Brian Terry’s Death (PJM Exclusive)The federal government will still not reveal if one of the two WASR-10 AK-pattern semi-automatic rifles located near the scene — provided to the Sinaloa cartel via Operation Fast and Furious — was the weapon that put a bullet through Brian Terry’s heart. The existence of a third recovered gun, an SKS carbine, has been disputed by the FBI despite the fact it had been talked about openly in the beginning of the investigation among federal agents.
Multiple sources tell PJM that this third weapon “disappeared” because it was the weapon carried by the FBI CI who ran the rip crew. When it was recovered near the scene of the murder and subsequently traced by the ATF, it traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased.
Which could be why there is no status of the three arrested in the third link I provided.
I just wanted to be sure that you knew that there were three agents that were shot by F&F guns.
That was a gun found at Brian Terry's murder so we are talking about a different gun purchased in TX. It was not an F&F gun. I still didn't see where the guns used in the Zapata-Avila shooting had be identified as F&F guns. If any gun was bought in TX it was not an F&F gun because F&F was only an AZ ATF office operation.
I wonder if the operation was in fact bigger than they have admitted- and that is still being covered up. The reason I wonder is a few oddities that have happened lately that sound so much like F&F; the FBI agent that was recently convicted (in El Paso I think) of selling arms to Mexico- they are acting like he was a rogue but I wonder if he made his connections while involved in F&F or similiar operation. The other thing that makes me curious is the firearms dealer in Deming,NM and another near Las Cruces,NM that were arrested for trafficing firearms to Mexico- both have stories of dealing with law enforcement and federal agents as reasons they were involved. Could be truly dirty folks and not related. Due to the media not wanting to report much on any of these incidents I don't know enough about them to know really if there is a connection. That may be the point though.
But you heard of it first from the UK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361684/Gun-used-kill-immigration-agent-Jaime-Zapata-traced-to-U-S.html
Here Cornyn makes a distinction between F&F and other "similar" operations in TX...
Cornyn Presses For Fast and Furious Probe in TexasIn August, Cornyn raised concerns that ATF may have run a similar operation in Texas, something bureau officials have denied.
Here is the ATF's own description of Project Gunrunner...
Project Gunrunner
Here is one of the first articles about the discovery that there were multiple operations like Fast and Furious. It incorrectly uses the name "Operation Gunwalker" (there was never an op by that name anywhere)...
Tip of the 'Gunwalker' iceberg? Are there MORE 'Operations Fast and Furious'?
"Lankford: Special Agent Dodson, let me ask you a series of questions, and this will be for several agents. Give me your best guess, and it's going to be just a guess on this. How many weapons do we have in the United States or in Mexico, that are out there, that are a result of "Fast and Furious," that we do not know where they are?""Dodson: Well sir, my best guess estimate at that, and remembering that Fast and Furious was one case, from one group, in one field division."
(snip)
He went on with numbers, of course (2,500 that BATFE facilitated the trafficking of, with from 300 to 800 since recovered), but today let's look at how Special Agent Dodson qualifiied those numbers: "Fast and Furious was one case, from one group, in one field division." The implication is, of course, that there could be other "Operations Fast and Furious," doing their own "gunwalking."
(snip)
Operation Fast and Furious, remember, was a Phoenix field division operation. Houston has its own field division. Any "gunwalking" in Houston would be a separate operation.
Please see post #40. :-)
I am not questioning that the guns traced back to U.S. gun shops at all.
‘Gunwalker’ Deepens: Agent Zapata Killed By Gun From … Texas?In addition to Phoenix and Florida, it appears the U.S. government had gunwalking operations based in Houston and Dallas.
The Dog That Hasn't Barked -- Yet. The Texas Connection to the Gunwalker Scandal. - Sipsey Street Irregulars
FWIW I am finding these by mining Nachum's List. I spent more than an hour making specific searches on a search engine and got less than I'm finding there.
Congressional Inquiries Turn To Houston Over Gun Trafficking Investigation
ATF Death Watch 75: ATF-Enabled Indiana Guns Went to Chicago Gangs
Thank you for posting that, I really think if a REAL investigation is done we will find this is bigger than anyone imagines.
I disagree. From the MSM standpoint, they are succeeding in saving the Obama administration by ignoring most of the story and spinning the rest as being caused by a combination of President Bush policies and lack of sufficient gun control laws.
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