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Combat Drones Soon To Fly Over U.S. Airspace [Police State Coming]
JD Journal ^ | 2/14/2012

Posted on 02/15/2012 3:59:44 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

While combat drones are not allowed in the U.S. airspace without a special certificate from the FAA, the military is in a fix over the 7, 500 military drones deployed overseas, that need to be recalled home....

After returning home, the robotic aircraft would be stationed in military bases around the nation for use in emergencies...

Last week, Congress approved legislation requiring the FAA to create a plan for wide-scale integration of drones in the national airspace by 2015.

(Excerpt) Read more at jdjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoagenda; bhodod; freedom; military; nationalsecurity; skynet; uav
Obama is going to be able, legally, to deploy combat drones against American citizens. Congress is stupid for passing this law.
1 posted on 02/15/2012 3:59:55 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Testing, testing.................Those who disagree.........


2 posted on 02/15/2012 4:09:14 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: ronnie raygun

You WILL obey!


3 posted on 02/15/2012 4:10:57 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Last week, Congress approved legislation requiring the FAA to create a plan for wide-scale integration of drones in the national airspace by 2015.

There is nothing more frustrating then when I read something like this.

Either the Lame Stream Media and "Journ-0-Lists" who write these stories are lazy, clueless or simply avoiding providing the facts.

WHO (SPECIFICALLY) in Congress introduced such legislation is what I want to know and who are the co-sponsors or others who support this potential infringement of our rights???

4 posted on 02/15/2012 4:18:53 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ll bet they never see the border either.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 4:21:47 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Obama will give control to NATO who are now
the world’s SHARIA POLICE.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 4:27:20 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There are still people like me running around virtually unobserved and they can’t have that.

Heck, I might be building a nuke behind my garage. Worse yet, I might be growing a garden back there.


7 posted on 02/15/2012 4:34:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Surprise people. The drones are already here and have been for some time. I see them quite often as I live near a base where the drone operating crews are being trained. Simple enough to load them with whatever payload deemed to be needed and you have the tools to do what ever you want.
Sounds easy enough to me.


8 posted on 02/15/2012 4:43:21 AM PST by Progov
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To: SoFloFreeper
Hmm? I wonder what would happen is someone *accidentally* shot one of these drones down while .. uh ... 'bird hunting'?

yeah, so I 'bird hunt' with a .270, I'm a good shot ;-)

9 posted on 02/15/2012 4:44:19 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I knew they were using drones, but I didn’t for the life of me think they had 7500 of these things flying around.


10 posted on 02/15/2012 5:03:47 AM PST by Venturer
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To: SoFloFreeper

Pfl


11 posted on 02/15/2012 5:23:00 AM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Thwe first time one of these damn things has a mid-air with a family in their Bonanza, maybe then the thought will occur to these idiots that this is a bad idea.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 5:28:51 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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13 posted on 02/15/2012 5:49:14 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: All

Seriously, as far as a “threat” to American citizens, how is this any different than manned US military aircraft flying over US soil? The administration; ANY administration, could just as easily fill a pilot’s seat with someone willing to launch an ATG at someone as they could a remote operator console.

Basic fact, these combat drones need to come back to the US, eventually. Provisions need to be made for that eventuality; unless you are proposing never letting them come back to US bases.


14 posted on 02/15/2012 5:49:19 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: cripplecreek

Better not be distributing unprocessed milk, either.


15 posted on 02/15/2012 5:55:10 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Turbo Pig

Maybe they should tap my phone too. After all they have the capability, no reason they shouldn’t use it.

Pathetic.


16 posted on 02/15/2012 5:57:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: wolfcreek

Guess I’m gonna have to dig a tunnel to the neighbor’s house so we can smuggle heirloom seeds back and forth. After all, the FDA has already testified that there is no constitutional right to eat what I want. LOL


17 posted on 02/15/2012 6:02:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Legal Notice:

I hereby establish as of this date a half-mile no-fly zone around my house.

Aerial Interlopers and Flying Peeping Toms will interdicted and summarily prosecuted and punished with anti-drone countermeasures.

Those neighboring estates suffering Collateral Damage from such aforesaid actions may bring legal action against the federal government for littering on their respective properties.

Use of Flying drones violates New York State Law:

New York State's "Peeping Tom" laws only cover the use of a camera or other device to "peer" through a window. Signed into law on 23 June 2003.

www.notbored.org/stephanie.html

18 posted on 02/15/2012 6:02:35 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (UAV`s DOA`d?. = Who knew??)
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To: Turbo Pig

Turbo, thanks for at least one rational post on this thread. As you point out, the aircraft are flying now and could have been doing these missions all the time. No evidence of that. This fear of UAV’s is not unlike the black helicopter one.

This is simply a case of allowing UAV’s to operate in the National Airspace, which they can only do now after jumping through hoops to get a one time clearance to fly. It’s a severe restriction and hindrance.


19 posted on 02/15/2012 6:09:05 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They have to acclimate Americans to this crap before they start herding them into re-education camps


20 posted on 02/15/2012 6:10:58 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

exactly, where in the news reports does it tell us the names of the critters who pushed this??


21 posted on 02/15/2012 6:13:11 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
Turbo, thanks for at least one rational post on this thread.

More like sheep huddling together.
22 posted on 02/15/2012 6:14:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Paging the anti-Patriot Act crowd....


23 posted on 02/15/2012 6:15:17 AM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: wolfcreek

No mistaking it - the main target of the elites (ie, communists) are those that are self sufficient and not as dependent on the government as the majority of the population.


24 posted on 02/15/2012 6:16:14 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: grobdriver
first time one of these damn things has a mid-air with a family in their Bonanza,

The "idiots" will just ban privately owned aircraft.

25 posted on 02/15/2012 6:23:18 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: MrB

I saw some idiot on FOX yesterday saying this is no different than being on surveillance camera in a convenience store. In a convenience store I know that I have a somewhat limited right to privacy and I accept that.

The real problem is the fact that flyover country people like myself, sometimes go weeks at a time without turning up on a surveillance camera. Obviously we’re up to no good.

As it is, counties are already using satellite images to reassess taxes. A couple years ago a guy in a neighboring town was fined big bucks for damming an 18 inch wide creek on his property and creating a little frog pond under 50 square feet. He beat the criminal prosecution when the DEQ couldn’t explain how they knew about it but he still had to remove the dam.


26 posted on 02/15/2012 6:36:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Venturer

7500 is a typo.

7500 total worldwide, counting all other countries and their versions of an RPV.


27 posted on 02/15/2012 7:11:57 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Turbo Pig

Logic is not to be tolerated when it comes to conspiracies. . . .

Manned police and military helicopters flying over the US all the time, as well as manned and ARMED fighters flying over the country all the time.

UAV integration is a subject that has been going on for years and years and years, with “sense and avoid” as primary, and the risk of air-to-air collision is foremost in the minds of all those that are working the issue.

The average dolt in is Bonanza has a greater risk of colliding with another aircraft than does a UAV, especially since the UAVs fly in space airspace, under positive control with radar providing constant feed to the operators. . .whereas the average dolt in a Bonanza doesn’t fly under positive control, doesn’t pay much attention to where he is looking and rarely ever speaks with radar control.

Predators in the DHS are used along the southern border mostly, with a few along the northern border.

They have a role to play in natural disasters and other, more extreme, incidents (nuke).


28 posted on 02/15/2012 7:18:46 AM PST by Hulka
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To: cripplecreek

Surveilance cameras in convenience stores are not capable of being armed with missiles.


29 posted on 02/15/2012 7:37:19 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Turbo Pig

By the same logic, since Google Maps updates its pictures periodically, it would be no problem if they put webcams in front of everyone’s houses then.


30 posted on 02/15/2012 7:46:10 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t suppose they’ll be coming into shotgun range...


31 posted on 02/15/2012 7:57:32 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: cripplecreek
"Worse yet, I might be growing a garden back there."

Ten years ago that comment would have sounded kooky paranoid.

32 posted on 02/15/2012 7:58:36 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Jack of all Trades; cripplecreek

We are on the same side. Both your responses are comparing apples and oranges, though. You both cite instances where the government is being intrusive (CCTV on individual dwellings, and unwarranted, illegal phone taps of private citizens) which we can all agree can not be tolerated.

The only way your arguments hold water is if you are saying that simply flying UAVs over US soil, which is already happening, equates to the government snooping on US citizens without cause.

The government has over stepped its bounds on so many issues, including unwarranted surveillance. Picking this issue to get upset about strikes me a a little off base. You want to get upset about something, how about the arming of LEOs with military grade gear (like those jack asses at Red Jacket Firearms do on a regular basis and any number of state and local entities) and tactics? How about obama’s recent coup of getting Congress to authorize the detention of US citizens without due process. Or, how about DHS, and state agencies categorizing people like us as potential terrorists, simply because we hold conservative views on tax law and the 10th amendment.

Pick battles where your uniform won’t consist of a tin foil hat, lest we loose the war.


33 posted on 02/15/2012 8:07:08 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: JimRed

Now I have an excuse to buy a belt-fed .50 cal.


34 posted on 02/15/2012 8:08:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Turbo Pig
Pick battles where your uniform won’t consist of a tin foil hat, lest we loose the war.

Typical coward's trash talk.
35 posted on 02/15/2012 8:11:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: moehoward
Ten years ago that comment would have sounded kooky paranoid.

LOL as you can see, it still does to the uninformed.
36 posted on 02/15/2012 8:18:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Venturer

I read a story that threw out the number of drones being flown worldwide since 9-11 as between 10K and 20K. But who really knows?


37 posted on 02/15/2012 8:33:02 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: Turbo Pig

Maybe my tinfoil hat has slipped, but I don’t see this in terms of a singular development, but rather as part of a chain of events. Technology is going to enable universal surveillance that will be impossible to resist unless there is a public outcry. At every stage, resistance will seem unwarranted by many because it’s just a little more, or it’s for the children.

I’ve worked more than 20 years as an electrical engineer, and I like to keep an eye on “what if”, out there, potential technologies. Consider this: someday in the not too distant future, wifi enabled cameras will cost a fraction of a penny to produce and be printed on a plastic sheet. “Here you go kids! put’em everywhere. It’s for your safety.”


38 posted on 02/15/2012 8:46:59 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Maybe they're going to use them to look for lost puppies /s


39 posted on 02/15/2012 9:01:54 AM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Wonder if an RC with a little anhydrous surprise has the legs to go up there and say “hello”...just cogitatin’ ;^)


40 posted on 02/15/2012 9:03:49 AM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: cripplecreek

I was involved in the development of unmanned systems for 17 years. The UAV community has been working this with the FAA for at least 6-7 years to enable military UAVs to fly in the National Airspace like other military aircraft. There is nothing sinister or liberty threatening about it.


41 posted on 02/15/2012 9:58:28 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Yeah whatever.

I notice you don’t seem to see any problems with stepping all over the constitution. Go back to your flock and all will be well.


42 posted on 02/15/2012 10:00:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
"Yeah whatever."

This is a puerile response/rebuttal that tells me there is no sense in continuing a discussion that cannot result in anything meaningful.

43 posted on 02/15/2012 11:10:42 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

You can’t explain why you or anyone else has any right or need to watch me go about my day.


44 posted on 02/15/2012 11:59:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jack of all Trades
Maybe my tinfoil hat has slipped, but I don’t see this in terms of a singular development,

Point taken; I just had that discussion with a co-worker and he the same exact sentiment. I can see where the chain of recent events can be strung together for a very scary what if scenario.

I still don't think it's worth getting upset over, when there are other, more glaring, in your face issues to fight about. I do appreciate your line of reasoning, though.

45 posted on 02/15/2012 12:14:05 PM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
You might not see anything threatening about the UVAs but, I guarantee there are those people in the public and private sector who see them and their use much differently.
46 posted on 02/15/2012 12:55:28 PM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Turbo Pig

The difference is intent..


47 posted on 02/20/2012 12:24:09 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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