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Doctor Claims Everything You've Heard About Cholesterol and Heart Disease is Wrong
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/08/quick_hits_page ^ | 3-8-2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/08/2012 7:35:50 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather

RUSH: Now, this health story. The website's called Signs of the Times, and the story here is by Dr. Dwight Lundell. "Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease." The upshot of it is that everything that we think we're doing to promote cardiovascular health is actually contributing to cardiovascular problems. This story prints out six pages. The doctor wrote it. So many times I have mentioned over the years about diet, health, food, how we are being manipulated by government goals, wrong medical ideas. Food activists with a logo and a fax machine putting out bogus information to the media, and they just run with it. As long as it contains "government has to step in to save us," then they'll be happy to promote whatever the lying data is.

So what we have here is a heart surgeon who is saying that he and his profession have been wrong for decades. This experiment with statins and low-fat diets has not worked. He says it's time to move on to another way. I'll give you some pull quotes before getting to the story. "Despite the fact that 25% of the population takes expensive statin medications and despite the fact we have reduced the fat content of our diets, more Americans will die this year of heart disease than ever before."

Another pull quote. "I saw it in over 5,000 surgical patients spanning 25 years who all shared one common denominator -- inflammation in their arteries." Not blockage, inflammation.

(Excerpt) Read more at rushlimbaugh.com ...


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To: Irish Eyes
What is the inflammation test?

C- reactive protein.

101 posted on 03/08/2012 10:35:45 PM PST by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Nik Naym

Euell Gibbons died of a ruptured Aorta, caused by a congenital defect, Marfan’s syndrome. Your point is?


102 posted on 03/08/2012 10:35:54 PM PST by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: Balata

Thanks, I have never heard of this test. There is a lot on google about the test. Marked for later reading.


103 posted on 03/08/2012 10:43:47 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: org.whodat
"That’s him, here have some pine chips. LOL"

"Mm-mm! Tastes like wild hickory nuts!"

104 posted on 03/08/2012 10:47:06 PM PST by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: steve86

Oh, like doctors haven’t been wrong before!


105 posted on 03/08/2012 10:50:59 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

BFL


106 posted on 03/08/2012 10:51:47 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: sheikdetailfeather
All true!

The American People have been sold a bill of goods.

Notice how the food pyramid keeps changing.

107 posted on 03/08/2012 10:52:36 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: Irish Eyes

Oxidative stress produces tissue damage which the body recognizes. It then sends out inflammatory chemicals (CRP) and pain chemicals in an effort to repair, but the oxidative stress continues so the body continues its production of C-Reactive Protein (CRP). Thus, a chronic inflammation.


108 posted on 03/08/2012 10:54:32 PM PST by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Still Thinking

Thanks. Ordered.


109 posted on 03/08/2012 11:13:03 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Talisker

u need to switch to decaf


110 posted on 03/08/2012 11:14:42 PM PST by superfries
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To: fortheDeclaration
Notice how the food pyramid keeps changing.

I don't mean to sound ignorant of what the ignorant are preaching but I never paid much attention to it in the first place. What did they change about it?

111 posted on 03/08/2012 11:16:24 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: PA Engineer

You’ll love it! He’s done a lot of great books.


112 posted on 03/08/2012 11:17:18 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Thanks for your reply. I worked at the Northwest Lipid Research Center many decades ago. What you say about reading the available research is important, and more than many on this thread are willing to do.

Biological effects of different things can be complicated. For example, alcoholics often have very clean arteries in spite of the inflammatory effects of alcohol. Inuits who eat a traditional diet high in cholesterol often have low rates of heart disease. Vegetarian Hindus have about the same level of arteriosclerosis as meat-eating Americans. In Americans, high cholesterol levels correlate closely with heart disease. There's some evidence that people on long-term antibiotics have less atherosclerosis, and other evidence that shows that high-phytoestrogen diets reduce artery plaque formation. Diets high in vitamine C and E, red-meat fish, yoghurt, green tea, red wine, and many other foods have been reported to reduce the risk of heart disease.

The problem is that people fixate on one or two reports, and then base their diets on them instead of studying and then working out what works best for each individual.

113 posted on 03/08/2012 11:20:16 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Still Thinking

Ikes heart attack caught my attention as a potential missing piece in the connections to today. Looking forward to reading it. Thanks again.


114 posted on 03/08/2012 11:32:16 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Back in the early 1970s I had a friend who went to Berkely and got a degree in Nutrition. She told me there were 2 things I should know:

Bugs won’t eat margerine, so why should you? Butter is best.

Your cutting board is the dirtiest place in your house so clean it with bleach. I don’t clean it with bleach anymore, I clean it with hydrogen peroxide. It doesn’t smell and you can see the germs die. Great feeling.


115 posted on 03/09/2012 12:10:26 AM PST by tinamina
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To: maine-iac7

My husband was diagnosed as being gluten intolerant so I wnet and bought huge amounts of spelt flour which I had to have delivered to my home. Then I tried to bake bread with it. Spelt has no gluten, which is what makes bread rise in combination with a leavening agent such as yeast. No amount of yeast can make spelt bread rise. It was a very frustrating and wasteful experience for me.

My opinion is that the gluten is not the problem, the white flour is the problem. Try Dave’s Killer Bread or Ezekiel bread. Dave’s is the best and has so many whole organic grains and seed that your body could not notice the gluten, me thinks.


116 posted on 03/09/2012 12:17:46 AM PST by tinamina
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To: AnTiw1

Goodness! I laughed so hard at your post, thinking (the latter parts) were works of very good fiction on your part. Then I decided to go ahead and google one of those movements (breatherians), and imagine my shock when I realized you were not making a joke! You were actually referring to an actual movement. I am in shock! Wow. Thanks for this ...you just provided tonight’s discussion topic with my lady. Wow. Just wow!


117 posted on 03/09/2012 1:46:17 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: matthew fuller

After you have read the above I would like to add the following, something I also have seen backed up by medical doctors, so it is not just my imagination. Because of back pain, neck pains as well as other joint problems due to build up of calcium deposits etc. I have been taking COATED Aspirins for many years in varying quantities, even since I was a teenager to ease my pains.

The way Aspirin works is by reducing INFLAMMATION where ever it finds it, including arteries, just what the article above points out. My philosophy so far has been that most any trouble or problem within the human body starts with an INFLAMMATION some place, some where and Aspirin appears to minimize this process.

Needless to say this article also makes a good point about processed foods as well as sugar what I stay away from any way.

I am grateful it worked so far for me and I hope it will continue to do so. I am not a medical doctor, I just collect information where ever I may find it and then use common sense to make the best of it. And by the way I never see 70 again.....


118 posted on 03/09/2012 2:21:22 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: sheikdetailfeather

bttt


119 posted on 03/09/2012 2:25:00 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If a person’s body makes too little cholesterol they will die. It won’t really matter how much cholesterol they eat. High cholesterol is a body’s overreaction not because of eating the stuff.


120 posted on 03/09/2012 2:33:31 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Here’s what happened.
In the early studies of plaque in arteries of cardiovascular patients, they found cholesterol.

So they said cholesterol was the cause.

Same thing as if I went and studied kids who have cuts and then proceeded to blame the cuts on the band-aid they had on.


121 posted on 03/09/2012 2:39:03 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Ping for later


122 posted on 03/09/2012 3:03:07 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: org.whodat

Euell Gibbons: Ever eat the bark off a tree?

I remember those commercials.


123 posted on 03/09/2012 3:30:21 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (God is dead - William Hamilton....William Hamilton is dead - God (And he means it))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Didn’t Atkins say this a long time ago?

Reducing your consumption of sugar, flour and processed food can’t hurt, at the very least.


124 posted on 03/09/2012 3:36:34 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Only made tea. But the old man sure put a lot of saw shavings in my mouth with his chain saw when I was his pilot.


125 posted on 03/09/2012 4:04:31 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: lawsone
The AMA says Chelation doesn’t work but I have talked to dozens of heart patients taking Chelation to know they are wrong. The NIH did a 3 year study of Chelation, one patient died so they quit. If they proved it did work many hospitals would go bankrupt, the heart is the mainstay of hospitals.

Chelation worked for me and it's on film. But now that I am retired I cannot afford the (absolutely non-insurance-covered) treatment at $80 a day... sort of like having a heroin habit!

Why this treatment isn't accepted is one of the great medical mysteries of our age. I have literally taken treatments with diabetics who were told they were going to lose a leg, who walked out a week later; candidates for bypass who were back on the tennis courts in two weeks. The tip-off? Many MDs take the treatment ... probably the same guys who sneak off to Chiropractors!

126 posted on 03/09/2012 4:26:26 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Check out

www.drtauraso.com/

Then check out intravenous Vitamin C treatment.

127 posted on 03/09/2012 4:28:28 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The cure for inflammation is aspirin.... one a day , every day


128 posted on 03/09/2012 4:34:20 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Shimmer1

marked for later


129 posted on 03/09/2012 5:59:41 AM PST by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks for your post! I found it very informative.


130 posted on 03/09/2012 6:55:29 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I think I found out about a book called, “Why we get Fat,” in another discussion on this site that made this very argument about carbs, Went Carb free on Janaury 3, 2012. I have lost 20 pounds. Just saying.


131 posted on 03/09/2012 7:30:12 AM PST by lawdave
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Thnx


132 posted on 03/09/2012 7:31:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: maine-iac7

Good to see you too!

(How do we know each other?)


133 posted on 03/09/2012 8:00:44 AM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: tinamina

Thanks for the tip on spelt

I think I’m going to try it for ‘flat bread’ -

Myu daughter has become an expert on gluten free cooking - including cakes, cupcakes, etc - but can’t get a satisfactory bread combination.

And gluten free bread in stores are like bricks.

I refuse, however, to give up my Yorkshire Pudding, which requires gluten to be successful - so I make an exception for that ;o)


134 posted on 03/09/2012 10:09:16 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: Rennes Templar
from different past thread postings -

and your 'name' is so easy to remember - ;o)


135 posted on 03/09/2012 10:14:28 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: lawdave

Good for you! I have found that if I eat a lot of carbs I get acid reflux. When I stop the carbs it goes away overnight!


136 posted on 03/09/2012 10:57:51 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: tinamina
" I clean it with hydrogen peroxide. It doesn’t smell and you can see the germs die."

Walmart sells H2O2 in small spray bottles. I keep one at each sink/lavatory. Beats the heck out of that 60% alcohol hand sanitizer stuff. I have problems with dry skin anyway, don't need to dry my skin out with alcohol.

137 posted on 03/09/2012 11:42:57 AM PST by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: bert
"The cure for inflammation is aspirin.... one a day , every day "

Do you mean 325 mg or 81 mg?

138 posted on 03/09/2012 12:05:15 PM PST by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: matthew fuller

-——Do you mean 325 mg or 81 mg?-——

My doctor has me taking 1 tablet 325 mg/day. I weigh 200 pounds.

I would look to see what Bayer has to say. they will always say ask your doctor before proceeding but they will I think have some advice.

I also have a heart attack first aid kit. Two aspirin 325 mg in a “small altoid tin”


139 posted on 03/09/2012 12:58:34 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: PA Engineer
"Cholesterol is not the enemy."

No doubt about that. In fact, it's an absolutely essential component in the animal cell membrane.

At a high level, a few of the essential things it does in the body...

Cholesterol's Importance to the Cell Membrane
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Cholesterol-Cell-Membrane.html

Membrane Structure and Function
http://www.cytochemistry.net/cell-biology/membrane_intro.htm

Closer look at cell membrane shows cholesterol 'keeping order'
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-closer-cell-membrane-cholesterol.html

Plasma membrane cholesterol controls the cytotoxicity of Alzheimer’s disease
http://www.fasebj.org/content/16/12/1526.full.pdf

CHOLESTEROL AND CHOLESTEROL ESTERS
STRUCTURE, OCCURRENCE, BIOCHEMISTRY AND ANALYSIS

Cholesterol has vital structural roles in membranes and in lipid metabolism in general. It is a biosynthetic precursor of bile acids, vitamin D and steroid hormones (glucocorticoids, oestrogens, progesterones, androgens and aldosterone). In addition, it contributes to the development and working of the central nervous system, and it has major functions in signal transduction and sperm development. It is found in covalent linkage to specific membrane proteins or proteolipids ('hedgehog' proteins), which have vital functions in embryonic development. However, because plasma cholesterol levels can be a major contributory factor to atherogenesis, media coverage has created what has been termed a ‘cholesterophobia’ in the population at large.

http://lipidlibrary.aocs.org/lipids/cholest/index.htm

Of course, don't go eating an unhealthy diet...just realize that the human body absolutely must have cholesterol to function normally. It's an essential lipid in animal cells.

On a side, but related note, this makes for interesting reading:

High cholesterol or low vitamin D?
Published March 22, 2011 | By Dr. Craig Keebler

"One area receiving little attention is the role of vitamin D in the development of atherosclerosis, stroke, and heart attack.

Isn’t cholesterol the cause of “hardening of the arteries” and the related problems of stroke and heart attacks?

Yes, it’s one cause. But the story goes much deeper. How does that cholesterol in the blood get stuck inside artery walls? First, the artery wall has to get inflamed. Just like a cut in your skin can get red, swollen, and inflamed from an infection, artery walls can experience the same process. When that happens, white blood cells get drawn into the artery wall. From there, they reach out and gobble up cholesterol from the bloodstream, bringing it into the artery wall. Thus, the process begins.

It turns out that vitamin D is a potent inhibitor of this type of inflammation in artery walls. Vitamin D activates dozens of different genes that keep inflammation under control and prevent this process from getting started in the first place. People with bad atherosclerosis have extremely low levels of vitamin D – a fraction of the levels that are needed for maintaining good health.

High cholesterol affects about 37% of Americans. Low vitamin D levels affect a surprising 77% of us. Among African-Americans and others with darker skin, low levels are found in over 90%. Both high cholesterol and low vitamin D predispose to stroke, heart attacks, and atherosclerosis.

So when someone has a stroke at 41, I wonder what the vitamin D level is.

Do you know what yours is?

You should. Chances are it’s low.

How low?

Only a blood test can tell you. Testing your vitamin D also helps prevent overdose when you are using vitamin D supplements.

What’s a healthy level of vitamin D?

Researchers say between 32 and 90 ng/mL However, many experts believe truly healthy levels are more like 40 to 80.

How can I get my levels in that range?

Years ago, when most of us worked outdoors or got around on foot, we got most of our vitamin D from sunlight – at least in spring and summer months. Nowadays, most people prefer air-conditioned comfort on hot sunny days, prefer driving to get places, and use vitamin D blocking sunscreens when outdoors for any length of time. Those are some of the reasons why our levels of vitamin D have dropped in half over the past few decades.

With today’s indoor lifestyles and our concerns about skin cancer, the logical way to get enough vitamin D today is through inexpensive supplements. As I said in last week’s post, correcting low vitamin D is both easy and cheap.

A few pennies a day can purchase the vitamin D drops or pills to provide the 2,000 to 4,000 units a day that will get most Americans to healthy levels over several months.

Reaping long-term health benefits, however, requires maintaining those good levels indefinitely, which means taking the right amount of vitamin D forever.

Don’t forget about cholesterol though. If you want to lower your risk of stroke or heart attack, have your vitamin D level checked along with your cholesterol level. Get both of them into healthy ranges. It could save your life."

On a personal note, about 1.5 years ago, my Dr. started including Vitamin D test's during blood work for Cholesterol levels in his patients.

Mine was found to be pretty low, so he advised me to include a 2,000 IU Vitamin D with my daily Vit/Min (& Krill Oil, CoQ10). About 6 months later, I was right in the middle of the healthy range.

It appears that the benefits of testing for, and controlling Vitamin D levels is gaining popularity amongst the medical community.

A few additional resources that back up the role of inflamation in this process:

New Culprit in Atherosclerosis
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120109102922.htm (A Macrophage is a type of white blood cell, as mentioned above)

Heart-Disease Sleuths Identify Prime Suspect: Inflammation of Artery.
http://drkaslow.com/html/arterial_inflammation.html

Inflammation, aspirin, and the risk of cardiovascular disease in apparently healthy men.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9077376.1

Inflammation, atherosclerosis, and coronary artery disease.
http://www.coryi.org/cardiology/Hansson.pdf(From the New England Journal of Medicine)

Atherosclerosis: Basic Mechanisms
Oxidation, Inflammation, and Genetics

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/91/9/2488(From the Journal Circulation)

140 posted on 03/09/2012 12:59:37 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: maine-iac7

Thanks for the pic of home! ;>)

Was it you I had the discussion with over whether dogs know they will die?


141 posted on 03/09/2012 1:02:13 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: bert

Thanks for the reply- I have decided to begin with 325 mg., then possibly go to 81 after a few days, maybe two baby aspirins (162).


142 posted on 03/09/2012 1:11:43 PM PST by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: tinamina
"Your cutting board is the dirtiest place in your house so clean it with bleach. I don’t clean it with bleach anymore, I clean it with hydrogen peroxide. It doesn’t smell and you can see the germs die. Great feeling."

If your cutting board is wood, no disinfection is needed. Wood itself is a natural bacteria killer. Plastic or other materials OTOH probably "do" need disinfection. But soap and water is more than enough....it lyses (breaks down) the cell wall structure of the bacteria, and "they die". Adding bactericides to soap is like painting a lily and actually increases the incidence of resistant organisms.

143 posted on 03/09/2012 2:28:30 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: rxsid

Thanks for the links. Will take some time to review. Thanks again.


144 posted on 03/09/2012 2:31:12 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: maine-iac7

Does anyone know of any real benefits of coconut oil. I am starting to hear that as a supplement it can be good to ward off alzheimers/dementia, aid in heart health and other “miracles.” Fact or fiction?


145 posted on 03/09/2012 2:42:04 PM PST by Oystir
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To: Oystir

Uh . . I fergit.
I like to cook French Toast or pancakes in cocoanut oil, though. It’s expensive, but a little pot of cocoanut oil will last six months or more.


146 posted on 03/09/2012 2:51:35 PM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: matthew fuller

Coconut isn’t good for browning some things because it doesn’t do well at high temps.


147 posted on 03/09/2012 3:05:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would say to get a bag of Elephant Hathi and bake some bread; you’ll never go back to the library paste again.


148 posted on 03/09/2012 3:07:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Dr. Hyman and Dr. Witacker have been curing type II diabetes for a couple of years now by getting people off of polyunsaturates. They rarely have a failure, and they have helped thousands of patients.

Type II was rare before WW II, and now its reaching 25% 0f the population. That corelates well with use of those oils. Heart disease seems to be fitting in there too.


149 posted on 03/09/2012 3:15:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You should be hot draining all deep fried foods anyway.


150 posted on 03/09/2012 3:17:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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