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China Halts 10 More Airbus Orders
cnbc ^ | Thursday, 15 Mar 2012 | 7:44 PM ET

Posted on 03/18/2012 9:22:17 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

China has suspended the purchase of 10 more Airbus jets, two people familiar with the matter said on Thursday, raising the stakes in a potentially damaging trade row over European Union airline emissions charges.

The move to delay the purchase of extra A330 planes brings to $14 billion the value of European aircraft caught up in tensions over the EU's Emissions Trading Scheme, which has angered countries including China, India and the United States.

It comes amid urgent efforts to find a solution to the row, which airlines fear could provoke an aviation trade war capable of causing travel disruption and hitting air traffic rights.

Earlier this week, European planemaker Airbus said China had blocked the purchase of 35 long-haul A330s and 10 Airbus A380 superjumbos worth a total of $12 billion.

Airbus did not name the airlines involved, but industry sources said the A380s were earmarked for Hong Kong Airlines, 46-percent owned by HNA Group, the parent of Hainan Airlines.

The row is over a cap-and-trade scheme which could levy charges for carbon emissions for flights in and out of Europe.

Foreign governments say the EU is exceeding its legal jurisdiction by charging for an entire flight, as opposed to just the part covering European airspace.

The European Commission argues the scheme is needed to cut rising emissions and help the world fight climate change.

Aviation industry sources said on Thursday that despite the latest pressure on aircraft sales, hopes were tentatively emerging of a possible formula that would give the UN's aviation body, ICAO, time to negotiate an alternative global deal.

They said one possible scenario called for the EU to suspend the application of its scheme to foreign airspace and get nations talking, something the EU is so far unwilling to do because of fears that the momentum for action would be lost.

The EU Commission was not available to comment.

There are few signs that negotiating an ICAO deal would be easy, however. The question of what role developing countries should play in curbing emissions threatened to derail a top-level meeting of the Montreal-based body this week, according to one official who attended Wednesday's meeting.

'Long-Term Damage'

China has so far directed its threatened retaliation at wide-body aircraft capable of reaching Europe from China, not A320 short-haul jets assembled in China for the local market.

In all, 55 aircraft have been swept up in the dispute, equivalent to about 10 percent of the aircraft ever delivered to China by Airbus, which claims 47 percent of the Chinese market.

While the A380 purchase is a firm order, meaning it cannot be cancelled without losing a deposit, the threatened A330 deals are still in the pipeline — either being negotiated or waiting for the required official approval from the Chinese government.

"Aircraft sales are different from selling wine or cars, you can't switch the sales button from off to on from one day to another. A red traffic light in aircraft sales can destroy years of sales efforts and damage-repair will take years," said Rainer Ohler, head of Airbus public affairs and communications.

Those stakes were highlighted on Wednesday when rival Boeing hinted at billions of dollars of fresh sales for its 777 long-haul mini-jumbo, which has been selling well in China.

"I think you're going to see both sales of narrow-bodies and wide-bodies (in China) continue to grow," James Albaugh, chief executive of Boeing's commercial division, told a conference.

"We sold 30 777's over there last week and had a lot of discussions with other customers about more."

A Boeing spokesman said these included 10 jets already announced. Boeing is in "advanced discussions" for the other 20.


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1 posted on 03/18/2012 9:22:23 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
The Chinese get it. The socialist assholes in Europe need to get off the "global warming" farce or lose business.
2 posted on 03/18/2012 9:31:51 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

the Chinese are starting to compete in the airliner business. Maybe this has something to do with it?


3 posted on 03/18/2012 9:37:05 PM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: gortklattu; RayChuang88; EveningStar; Clemenza
the Chinese are starting to compete in the airliner business. Maybe this has something to do with it?

The Chinese have nothing to compete with the A380 or A330 and won't for at least a couple of decades. They're more likely to build a cheaper A320/737 competitor for domestic markets and export to countries that are more price sensitive.

4 posted on 03/18/2012 9:50:21 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: DeaconBenjamin
...china had blocked the purchase of 35 long-haul A330s and 10 Airbus A380 superjumbos worth a total of $12 billion.

One wonders, could they be mad because they are not in on the con?

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5 posted on 03/18/2012 9:50:42 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: gortklattu

Starting to compete? Are you joking? Who would buy a Chinese made airplane?


6 posted on 03/18/2012 9:53:42 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans; gortklattu
Starting to compete? Are you joking? Who would buy a Chinese made airplane?

Airlines in turd world countries.

7 posted on 03/18/2012 9:56:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Iran,Syria,North Korea


8 posted on 03/18/2012 10:03:11 PM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
They want to sell their airplanes and then levy penalties for using them!?!

China is right. Go suck a stale wonton, EU!

9 posted on 03/18/2012 10:04:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Myrddin

The Europeans want to charge Chinese airlines a carbon tax for landing in Europe based on miles traveled! Note that 90%+ of those flights are outside of European air space.


10 posted on 03/18/2012 10:04:45 PM PDT by entropy12 (Republicans do not hate, that is a monopoly of democrats.)
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To: Seaplaner

Just goes to show the European Commission likes kicking their own ass. They recently asked China for money to fix the Eurozone mess. Left hand meet right hand.


11 posted on 03/18/2012 10:53:00 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

[The Chinese have nothing to compete with the A380 or A330 and won’t for at least a couple of decades. They’re more likely to build a cheaper A320/737 competitor for domestic markets and export to countries that are more price sensitive.]

Correct. They are currently building a plane (C919) to compete with the A320/B737 and should enter into service about 2017. However, no western airline has bought it yet. It could suffer the same fate as the Tupolevs did in Russian but we will see.


12 posted on 03/19/2012 3:31:43 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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