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Will Space Battles Be Fought with Laser Weapons?
Life's Little Mysteries ^ | 3/16/2012 | Adam Hadhazy

Posted on 03/22/2012 1:34:51 AM PDT by U-238

What would science fiction be without laser beams? From handheld ray guns to spaceship-mounted turbolasers, the futuristic weapon of choice definitely involves bright, colorful blasts of energy.

In the early 21st century, projectiles still remain the standard means of inflicting damage from a distance. Yet continued research into "directed-energy" weapons by the United States military, among others, could someday bring lasers to a battlefield near you.

Lasers are already used in guidance, targeting and communication applications, but significant technological obstacles stand in front of turning them into weapons by themselves. For certain niche scenarios, lasers might prove themselves ideal. It seems unlikely, however, that they will ever outright replace missiles and bullets, as they do in so much sci-fi warfare.

No conventional weapon is a panacea," said Douglas Beason, former associate lab director at Los Alamos National Laboratory. "Why would we expect directed-energy weapons to be any different?"

Why lasers?

Lasers are tight rays of photons generated by the excitation of atoms in a liquid, gas or solid; or electrons in a beam. Weapon makers are attracted to lasers because they can shoot faster than any projectile. "You can deliver energy at the speed of light," said Beason.

They also can reach targets with absolute precision while potentially never running out of ammunition. "They call it unlimited magazines," said Beason. "Rather than being able to drop one bomb, you're limited only by the amount of energy you can carry."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: dew; directedenergy; laserbeams; lasercannons; lasers; photons; physics; rayguns; spacewarfare

1 posted on 03/22/2012 1:34:55 AM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238
Will Space Battles Be Fought with Laser Weapons?

Evidently not by America if Obama has his way


2 posted on 03/22/2012 1:54:23 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: U-238

I would assume that in space firing projectile weapons would pose significant navigational challenges. Recoil and all that.


3 posted on 03/22/2012 2:03:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: U-238

Captain! They are firing...lasers at us?

How quaint, number one.
Beam a quantum torpedo on to their bridge...


4 posted on 03/22/2012 2:10:36 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: BigCinBigD

That would be a photon torpedo.......ahem.......


5 posted on 03/22/2012 2:16:54 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: RightOnline

Photon torpedoes are so 23rd Century.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 2:18:54 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Sherman Logan

As I am sure you know the US Navy is already developing magnetic rail gun systems. Because the projectile is accelerated using electro-magnetic energy a recoil in the classical sense dose not occur. Rather there will be an energy transfer from the source of the magnetic field within the gun to the projectile and vice verses.


7 posted on 03/22/2012 2:22:24 AM PDT by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Another major problem with a projectile weapon in space is that once fired the projectile is a danger until that projectile finally strikes another object and imbeds itself in that object.

A projectile fired from a spacecraft would continue on its trajectory for millions of miles without loss of momentum. Conceivably that projectile could slingshot around a planet and return to the point of origin destroying the spacecraft that launched it comic book style.

8 posted on 03/22/2012 2:26:50 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: MCCC

Good point. I was thinking more along the lines of classic propellant type projectiles. Rail guns are different.


9 posted on 03/22/2012 2:33:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Pontiac

An excellent point. Space travel would have enough problems with space junk that was accidental in nature without adding projectiles flying all over the place.


10 posted on 03/22/2012 2:35:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BigCinBigD

True....got me there.


11 posted on 03/22/2012 2:41:11 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Some other considerations: Railguns are being researched as weapons with projectiles that do not contain explosives, but are given extremely high velocities: 3,500 m/s (11,500 ft/s, approximately Mach 10 at sea level) or more (for comparison, the M16 rifle has a muzzle speed of 930 m/s, or 3,050 ft/s), which would make their kinetic energy equal or superior to the energy yield of an explosive-filled shell of greater mass. This would allow more ammunition to be carried and eliminate the hazards of carrying explosives in a tank or naval weapons platform. Also, by firing at greater velocities railguns have greater range, less bullet drop and less wind drift, bypassing the inherent cost and physical limitations of conventional firearms, “the limits of gas expansion prohibit launching an unassisted projectile to velocities greater than about 1.5 km/s and ranges of more than 50 miles [80 km] from a practical conventional gun system.”


12 posted on 03/22/2012 2:43:39 AM PDT by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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To: Sherman Logan

the projectile could be made to explode after having traveled beyond their target. For that matter, a guidance system could be incorporated into them minimizing misses. Ideally, the projectiles would have to be rocket propelled as opposed to the usual gun powder to avoid the recoil issue. The warheads could then be loaded with a semi automatic guidance mechanism and an appropriate amount of explosive and by explosive I mean anti-matter of course.


13 posted on 03/22/2012 2:50:40 AM PDT by RC one (may the strongest man win.)
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To: MCCC
Because the projectile is accelerated using electro-magnetic energy a recoil in the classical sense dose not occur. Rather there will be an energy transfer from the source of the magnetic field within the gun to the projectile and vice verses.

I'm not sure what you mean; but please do the following thought experiment. Put a railgun on a raft with a flexible connection to power. Is it your contention that if the railgun is fired that the raft will not move?

14 posted on 03/22/2012 3:06:15 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer)
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To: U-238
Will Space Battles Be Fought with Laser Weapons?

Like all wars, they will be fought with weapons not today developed or understood. It might be lasers. It might be something that harkens back to the day when lasers were thought to be cutting edge technology.

If man ever takes up residence in space, the question is not what weapons he will use but can man find a way to live in space without fighting a war there. History does not speak well to that possibility.

15 posted on 03/22/2012 3:06:22 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: nathanbedford
Evidently not by America if Obama has his way
That was my first thought.
16 posted on 03/22/2012 3:09:37 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: BigCinBigD

There was an actual exchange that was better than that.

Worf: “Captain, they are now locking lasers on us.”
Riker: “Lasers?!?”
Worf: “Yes, sir.”
Picard: “Lasers can’t even penetrate our navigation shields. Don’t they know that?”
Riker: “Regulations do call for yellow alert.”
Picard: “Hmm, a very old regulation. Well, make it so Number One. And, reduce speed . . . drop main shields, as well.”
Riker: “May I ask why, sir?”
Picard: “In case we decide to surrender to them, Number One.”
Riker: (laugh)
Worf: (growl)


17 posted on 03/22/2012 3:15:51 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

In technical terms, the recoil caused by a gun exactly balances the forward momentum of the projectile and exhaust gasses (ejecta), according to Newton’s third law. Because rail guns do not use a rearward propellant and all the momentum is transfered between the rails (which surround the ‘barrel’)and the projectile the transfer of that momentum to bring the equation back to zero does not constitute recoil in the classic sense.


18 posted on 03/22/2012 3:20:15 AM PDT by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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To: MCCC

Does the raft move?


19 posted on 03/22/2012 3:25:28 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer)
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To: U-238

Distruptors and Bat’leths me thinks...


20 posted on 03/22/2012 3:30:05 AM PDT by Vaquero (Molon Labe)
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To: U-238

Just by moving something in the way of a fast moving spacecraft or satellite and causing it to fragment into thousands of pieces of debris will be the next generation of space weapons to be used.


21 posted on 03/22/2012 3:30:18 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I’d have to say that it all depends on the target. After all you can fling a rock at a space station and destroy it. The “Rod from God” is basically a tungsten telephone pole launched from space at a ground based target. It comes in at hypersonic speed and delivers some serious energy that way.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 3:31:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: U-238
Hardly. With the decimation of the military, de-stocking the nuclear deterrent, funding mudslim-bruderhood, more likely future wars will feature Spit-Balls.


23 posted on 03/22/2012 4:35:02 AM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" Romney is the front-runner? Seriously??)
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To: U-238

Man the mirrors!


24 posted on 03/22/2012 4:50:15 AM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: Pontiac

Would it not be the same for the laser?

You fire a three second laser pulse and you have that 3 second length of laser beam continuing thru space until it hits something? Granted after a few light years it may be dissipated?


25 posted on 03/22/2012 4:55:09 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: MCCC

They also don’t make a big bang or flash when you pull the trigger. Although the projectile would be supersonic, it would make locating the firing point more difficult; thereby improving concealment.


26 posted on 03/22/2012 5:10:05 AM PDT by catman67
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To: WackySam

GI Joe is way ahead of you there. Doc built these in his spare time while being a doctor and learning to drive a tractor trailer in his on base one man factory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGx1Bqgkg08


27 posted on 03/22/2012 5:40:58 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: PeteB570

Due to diffraction the beam will spread out over long distances. Within relatively short astronomical distances the intensity will be below eye safe levels.


28 posted on 03/22/2012 6:23:56 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: MCCC
There would be a recoil. The momentum of a system is conserved, according to Newtonian Laws, so the momentum of the projectile (mproj x vproj) is equal to the momentum of the launch system (mlaunch x vlaunch) in the opposite direction, regardless of the launch mechanism.

It's not just a suggestion, it's the Law! (according to Newton)
29 posted on 03/22/2012 7:00:29 AM PDT by lagrange point1 (Space is no longer the final frontier)
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To: lagrange point1

I don’t believe I am breaking Newton’s law.. The momentum is not occuring down the long axis of the ‘barrel’ but between the magnets exerting force imparting momentum inward and the projectile exerting force outward in response. Thus the momentum sum continues to zero itself. Thus my continued response that there is no recoil in the classic sense.


30 posted on 03/22/2012 7:45:28 AM PDT by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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To: wally_bert
Wow.

In that clip, we see photon-capacitors (never heard of those before) used to collect laser energy, then we have laser beams arcing due to the gravitational effects of the Earth.

Science fail.


31 posted on 03/22/2012 7:52:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: MCCC
Are you an idiot or mearly obtuse?

between the magnets exerting force imparting momentum inward and the projectile exerting force outward in response. Thus the momentum sum continues to zero itself.

If the forces exerted are symmetrical then the projectile goes nowhere. If the forces are asymmetrical the launcher accepts the inverse of the projectiles acceleration, summing the system to zero. Unless you are using a definition of recoil different than any I have ever seen, the rearward movement of the launching mechanism in response to the acceleration of the projectile is the recoil.

32 posted on 03/22/2012 12:52:15 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: PeteB570

True but a laser pulse would get out of the neighborhood a lot faster.


33 posted on 03/22/2012 4:24:13 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Fraxinus

Nice to meet you too. Can you think of another way to respond to my posts other than an insult? I wish you well and better in your future endevours.


34 posted on 03/22/2012 7:44:57 PM PDT by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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