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The Moon’s Long Lost Twin Found
International Business Times ^ | 8/11/2011 | International Business Times

Posted on 03/24/2012 12:57:47 AM PDT by U-238

The moon maybe palely alone in the night sky today but according to scientists it is possible that the there was a second, smaller moon 4.4 billion years ago.

A paper published in the journal Nature theorized that there was a smaller moon created in the same impact that created the moon. Astronomers, Martin Jutzi and Erik Asphaug of the University of California at Santa Cruz have long wondered why the moon had two incongruous sides, one smooth with flat plains and another side full of rugged mountains and craters.

The astronomers started thinking that the mountainous region had been added to a pre-existing surface. This theory follows the generally held belief that the moon was formed after a Mars-sized planetoid crashed into Earth to blast a cloud of debris into space that would eventually congeal into the moon. Smaller pieces could have formed at a Trojan point or a place in the same orbit as the moon but ahead or behind it.

The mini-Moon would eventually become gravitationally unstable and would fall back to the bigger Moon. Jutzi and Asphaug's computer simulations of the event show that the Moon's smaller twin wouldn't fall back to the moon in a fiery explosion but in gentle descent. Not with a bang but with a splat.

"Being slow, it does not form a crater, but splats material onto one side," Professor Asphaug said. The extra mini-Moon mass would account for the extra material on the far side of the moon.

The scenario also explains other features found in the moon including why the side facing Earth has so much lava. At the time of the impact the extra mass added to the other side of the moon could have moved the magma beneath the crust upwards to the near side of the

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: astronomy; astrophysics; catastrophism; moon; solarsystem; spacescience; stellarscience; xplanets
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1 posted on 03/24/2012 12:57:55 AM PDT by U-238
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To: SunkenCiv; KevinDavis

Ping


2 posted on 03/24/2012 1:00:11 AM PDT by U-238
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To: SunkenCiv
Sconce ping
3 posted on 03/24/2012 1:00:54 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: U-238
in the same impact that created the moon.

It wasn't created by impact, it was SPOKEN into existence. They need to live with it as they will NEVER 'figure it out' but they make a good sideshow.

4 posted on 03/24/2012 1:07:33 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: U-238

Astronomy and astrophysics ping.

(Heh, hehe, uhhhhh, he said “ass fog”.)


5 posted on 03/24/2012 1:08:00 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: U-238

It would seem a sample return mission to the dark side
of the moon is in order, that would tell a lot about
this theory.


6 posted on 03/24/2012 1:10:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I believe it’s spelled scones.

It’s a biscuit.


7 posted on 03/24/2012 1:12:26 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: tet68

I agree. There has not been any missions to the “far side” to collect samples.


8 posted on 03/24/2012 1:14:11 AM PDT by U-238
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To: Jonty30

Now you are getting me hungry for one.


9 posted on 03/24/2012 1:16:49 AM PDT by U-238
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To: lefty-lie-spy
Crazy story. So far I have,
Nature theorized
Jutzi and Asphaug
Flat plains, rugged mountains, and craters
congeal, trojan
gentle decent
bang and splat.

Beavus and Butthead would have a field day with this eco porno.
Professor Asphaug!

10 posted on 03/24/2012 1:23:51 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: presently no screen name

God works through His natural laws, and the hearts of men, or where’s the value of a miracle?


11 posted on 03/24/2012 1:50:04 AM PDT by steve8714 (Clay...Carnahan...who is the least of these?)
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To: steve8714

His natural laws are supernatural to us. He spoke the creation and all it contains into existence and His Word holds it up. There is no figuring it out. Honor the Creator not on the created.


12 posted on 03/24/2012 2:15:10 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Speaking of sideshows...


13 posted on 03/24/2012 2:28:07 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: presently no screen name

I do, but remember the Scripture is the INSPIRED word of God. We don’t believe an angel passed on verbatim, nor do we presume the translation was always perfect. We aren’t Moslems.


14 posted on 03/24/2012 2:41:27 AM PDT by steve8714 (Clay...Carnahan...who is the least of these?)
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To: steve8714

God is MORE than capable of getting HIS WORD to us just like HE WANTS IT. If you think otherwise, you have the problem, not the interpretation. So don’t say ‘we’ when posting to me.

God’s Word is Holy Spirit inspired and, thus, is spiritually discerned.


15 posted on 03/24/2012 3:36:55 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: BigCinBigD

This isn’t a dress rehearsal and one’s eternity can start at any moment. It isn’t rocket science where one should place their priorities.


16 posted on 03/24/2012 3:42:19 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

So you speak aramaic, and have read it in the original? Because I have got to tell you, the various tranlations are not equal. Which do you use?


17 posted on 03/24/2012 3:51:23 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

The HOLY SPIRIT is the Teacher. Drop the translation ‘excuse’. It might work on someone you want to deceive but it doesn’t work on me.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 3:58:15 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

As you wish. Bless your heart, you are a TRUE believer.


19 posted on 03/24/2012 4:05:08 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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popcorn self-ping


20 posted on 03/24/2012 4:05:40 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: patton
The Bible, as any heathen fool can see, was written in plain English as spoke by the Baby Jesus. Appalachian English. Plain as day so's every man who could read could read it for hisself and not need some authority Pope-guy bishop to tell him what's in it. Of course, if anybody got a Bible question, it is my job to answer it correctly as inspired by the Holy Ghost.

Now if you will be so kind as to excuse me, I got some snakes to feed and to mix a fresh batch of poison for Sunday services, to which you are welcome with any Bible question.

21 posted on 03/24/2012 4:09:29 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: presently no screen name

I rather think God would like us to figure out as much about His creation as possible.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 4:11:54 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kenny Bunk

OK, I am out of this one - I made a mistake in offering a challenge to someone’s religious beliefs on this forum. Bad idea, I should not have done it.

Thanks for the laugh, though.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 4:16:48 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: onedoug
I rather think God

We are told not to lean unto our own understanding. would like us to figure out as much about His creation as possible.

For what purpose? His Word doesn't say that. That's an 'feel good' excuse to do want you want. We are to KNOW HIM as much as possible.

24 posted on 03/24/2012 4:23:48 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Kenny Bunk
not need some authority Pope-guy bishop to tell him what's in it.

How do you know this 'authority' knows what they are talking about and not deceiving you? Making you believe what they want you to believe? Putting trust in 'man' is for the gullible.

to mix a fresh batch of poison for Sunday services

That may just be what your 'authority' is giving you disguised as Truth.

1 John 2:27 "As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in Him."

25 posted on 03/24/2012 4:39:12 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; patton

Amen ping


26 posted on 03/24/2012 4:43:19 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: presently no screen name

You have to realize that these “scientists and astrologers” are paid money to investigate such interesting theories and come up with answers.

In many cases, they do....and earn their money by GUESSING what happened. In all cases “EXPERTS” come up with answers because they are expected to. Right or wrong...they have saved their reputations and are the envy of their peers.

Eggs are bad for you...eggs are good for you. Milk is bad for you...milk is good for you. Beer is bad for you...beer is good for you and on and on and on.

If these people had to actually produce a tangible result, I would be amazed.


27 posted on 03/24/2012 4:49:19 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: presently no screen name

You are cluttering up a good thread


28 posted on 03/24/2012 4:51:39 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: presently no screen name
This isn’t a dress rehearsal and one’s eternity can start at any moment. It isn’t rocket science where one should place their priorities.

I would think that knowledge would be a higher priority than ignorance.

29 posted on 03/24/2012 4:55:42 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DH

Why don’t you give up all human progress and live as an animal as you were created?


30 posted on 03/24/2012 4:59:44 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
I would think that

Everyone's doing alot of thinking while we are told....

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;"

Isaiah 55:8
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.

Isaish 55:9
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

31 posted on 03/24/2012 5:09:54 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: DH; Moonman62
You have to realize that these “scientists and astrologers” are paid money to investigate such interesting theories and come up with answers.

Astrologers?

In many cases, they do....and earn their money by GUESSING what happened. In all cases “EXPERTS” come up with answers because they are expected to. Right or wrong...they have saved their reputations and are the envy of their peers.

You really don’t have much understanding of how science works do you.

Eggs are bad for you...eggs are good for you. Milk is bad for you...milk is good for you. Beer is bad for you...beer is good for you and on and on and on.

Don’t conflate what passes for journalism now days, especially on scientific topics with actual scientific research and papers.

If these people had to actually produce a tangible result, I would be amazed.

Do you not consider the Moon landings a tangible result? What about advances in medicine? Are you not typing on a computer and posting over the internet?

32 posted on 03/24/2012 5:10:21 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: presently no screen name
My priorities are firmly rooted in reason and science. Not superstition. But I have no problem with those who do.
33 posted on 03/24/2012 5:22:09 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: presently no screen name
Everyone's doing alot of thinking while we are told....

…that ignorance is bliss?

And I don’t think those quotes mean what you think they mean. Do you believe the LORD was telling his people to remain ignorant about how the physical world works? Do you think Newton should have kept his nose in the Bible and not thought about gravity? That Copernicus and Galileo should have not peered through their telescopes and were wrong for figuring out that the Biblical interpretations of their day were wrong about the Sun and planets revolving around the Earth? Do you believe that Edward Jenner should have believed that smallpox was just the will of God and not bothered to think and therefore develope a vaccine for it?

It saddens me that some people are ignorant of what scientific progress has done to improve the quality and quantity of their lives. Science does not have to be in opposition to religion and religion does not have to be in opposition to science.

34 posted on 03/24/2012 5:28:37 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: presently no screen name

Those are good quotes, but how do they justify your ignorance?


35 posted on 03/24/2012 5:30:41 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

there is no use. You are in a Gump scene.


36 posted on 03/24/2012 5:37:43 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and I will not go to Maryland to campaign against MITT.)
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To: U-238

Wow! Pink Floyd can tour again!


37 posted on 03/24/2012 6:23:31 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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To: presently no screen name

Dude. Have you thanked God for gravity lately?


38 posted on 03/24/2012 6:26:32 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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To: tet68
"It would seem a sample return mission to the dark side of the moon is in order,..."

All that you touch

All that you see

All that you taste

All that you feel

All that you love

All that you hate

All you distrust

All that you save

All that you give

All that you deal

All that you buy

beg, borrow or steal

All you create

All you destroy

All that you do

All that you say

All that you eat

everyone you meet

All that you slight

everyone you fight

All that is now

All that is gone

All that's to come

and everything under the sun is in tune

but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.

39 posted on 03/24/2012 6:55:22 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: U-238

Now that I know this, I can live a long and fruitful life. This changes everything..../sarc


40 posted on 03/24/2012 7:00:39 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: patton

We got thread-jacked by creationists.


41 posted on 03/24/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

They are not of the body. They believe in I Euclid V.


42 posted on 03/24/2012 7:07:04 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: U-238

Thanks for posting this. Fascination subject. Too bad the Flat Earthers had to stink up the thread, but it serves as an abject lesson on the macelency of civilization’s veneer.


43 posted on 03/24/2012 7:18:00 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
We got thread-jacked by creationists.

What's the saying? "Science is hard. Harder if you're dumb."

44 posted on 03/24/2012 7:20:50 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: presently no screen name

Eternity has no beginning or end so all find
themselves in the now, recognizing that is to
know your intellect as the void, blissful and
shining.


45 posted on 03/24/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

You know, the difference between countable infinity (chaos), and uncouncountable infinity (entropy), escapes some people. Moreover, the very idea of random events makes them soil their shorts.

So they seek an illusion of control ...

That is actually a survival mechanism. I once placed a mouse in a glass cage, next to a snake in a glass cage. In about 12 hours, the mouse dropped dead. It had food, water, and it was protected from the snake by the glass.

I didn’t autopsy the mouse, but I am pretty sure it died of stress.

So, if we throw a virgin in the volcano, G-D won’t drop a burning rock on our house...


46 posted on 03/24/2012 7:35:28 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

“....I once placed a mouse in a glass cage, next to a snake in a glass cage. In about 12 hours, the mouse dropped dead....”
*******************************************************
Sure you did....We all believe you actually did this.


47 posted on 03/24/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: presently no screen name
"How do you know this 'authority' knows what they are talking about and not deceiving you? Making you believe what they want you to believe? Putting trust in 'man' is for the gullible."

Exactly. How do we prove anything to be the word of God when it is all recorded on materials made by man? It is physically the same as any text that could easily have been changed by any man. It doesn't help that most of the texts were written many lifetimes after the fact.

If even one text or relic had supernatural properties that could not be explained or reproduced, I would be more likely to believe it. In fact, other cultures have more unexplainable relics to show. For example, the perfectly symmetrical Egyptian statues that can only be replicated through robotics. Or buildings perfectly aligned to stars within 1/100th of a degree, something barely.

Right now I see Biblical texts as edited and compiled by many men for their own purposes. Even if some men in history received the direct word of God, it was still written down and kept by men. You must THINK and not put complete trust in anything made by man, just as you said.

48 posted on 03/24/2012 8:53:35 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: House Atreides

ok, let me give you more detail. My kid was off at college or the like, and I was feeding his pet snake. It ate live mice.

We had two glass cages, a big one the snake lived in, and a smaller one for feeding - don’t feed a snake in it’s home, or it will assume that anything that moves in it’s home is food, and you will get bit.

So the procedure is take the snake out of it’s home, put it in the feeding cage, and chuck in a mouse. Snake eats mouse.

But we had two mice, so once the snake had eaten, I put it back in it’s home, and set up the spare mouse in the feeding cage with some food and water, for the next time the snake needed to be fed.

Hours later, it keeled over, dead. I should have put something between the two glass cages, so it couldn’t see the snake staring at it.

But you “all” can believe whatever you wish.


49 posted on 03/24/2012 9:32:18 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

I now believe you—you sweet talking devil.


50 posted on 03/24/2012 9:58:50 AM PDT by House Atreides
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