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Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say
Chicago Tribune ^ | 3/31/12 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor

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To: rlmorel

He/She needs zotting.


241 posted on 03/31/2012 8:42:52 PM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: RIghtwardHo
An easy call.

As a former juror, Mr. Prosecutor, good luck getting a conviction. My fellow jurors and I stuffed the prosecutor on a ginned up PC case like this right after the city bought us lunch. Didn't even get to eat my french fries.

242 posted on 03/31/2012 8:43:08 PM PDT by Stentor ("All cults of personality start out as high drama and end up as low comedy.")
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To: floriduh voter
-- GZ lost a security job because he was overzealous. --

What we know about that is he tossed some woman at a party. When you are hired to be party security, you're supposed to let some things happen, without asserting force. I think he was too "law and order" to understand the bouncer scene.

-- Are posters defending Zimmerman or what? --

Well, mostly looking at the evidence. The evidence drives the discussion. Some people are defending Trayvon. Some have opined that Trayvon has a right to hit a person who is following him. Not true as a matter of law, but hey, plenty of wrong-headed people in the world.

-- What's the real reason to defend Zimmerman as more facts come out that aren't so good for him? --

What evidence cuts against his story?

243 posted on 03/31/2012 8:43:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Bigh4u2
Heh, every time I hear some dimwit keep trying to place Zimmerman on top, over and over again, this image pops into my mind:

"What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

But now that I think of it, it would be insulting to Bluto.

244 posted on 03/31/2012 8:43:25 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: floriduh voter

Do you know when Travon’s dad changed his mind about telling detectives that it wasn’t his son screaming? Or was that a false report or something? I gather that the family now thinks it is him. Has the father talked about it anywhere? I haven’t been following the story very closely.

Freegards


245 posted on 03/31/2012 8:44:21 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: tflabo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2866389/posts


246 posted on 03/31/2012 8:45:03 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: yarddog
-- If he was guilty of violence against his girl friend he could not get a license to carry. --

It's a federal offense to posses a firearm, while under a DV restraining order that contains certain elements. Zimmerman was under such an order, which he satisfied, and has since expired.

247 posted on 03/31/2012 8:45:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Krankor

There are tactics that are used by losers, including a couple trolls on this thread. One, is “appeal to paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theory advocates”. I’m surprised no witnesses have come forward claiming to have seen Harvey Keitel at the scene with a couple bars of soap and a garden hose. Anyone here believe the entire chain of command of Florida’s law enforcement was mobilized in the minutes after the incident? Good. Another tactic is “appeal to ‘oh not this shit again’”. They hammer on ridiculous things that have been resolved, or are just plain stupid. For God’s sake, George Zimmerman was on the bottom, he was screaming, his nose was bleeding, the back of his head was cut up. It’s not debatable. There are photographs, sworn documents, and believable eyewitnesses.

Talk amongst yourselves, edify each other. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.


248 posted on 03/31/2012 8:46:34 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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I called the kitties and then retracted. So not going there again today (avoiding self-immolation). Anyone else feel the need? I mean just WOW.


249 posted on 03/31/2012 8:47:06 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: floriduh voter

I think most of us here think you are a lying piece of work. You make all kind of statements which you cannot back up unless you heard it from a radical leftist site.

Some of your crap is clearly made up like the 3 witnesses. Some of it comes from your fellow travelers, and when you post something which is roughly correct you take a menaing from it which no rational person would.

So I suspect you are a plant put here just to put in info which is easily seen as false. You are not even a very good plant. I mean Zimmerman was a “Mammas Boy” Oh goodness he must be guilty of all kinds of crimes.


250 posted on 03/31/2012 8:47:16 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Born to Conserve

Well, we have one troll quoting a communist no-sponsor radio show : )


251 posted on 03/31/2012 8:48:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: floriduh voter

People make their reputation on logic and intelligent posting on Free Republic, and you don’t have much of a reputation from what anyone on this thread can see.

I didn’t address your reputation and I think you are just confused, since that post you referenced was to someone else who might simply be inexperienced in this forum.

You don’t have any excuse. You are what you are, and that is evident to anyone on this thread.


252 posted on 03/31/2012 8:49:56 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: gopcharger
-- Except two deep lacerations to the back of his head and the fear that he would be dead at the hands of this 6' 2 man bashing his head on the sidewalk if he couldn't get his gun. --

Zimmerman was taking a beating for 30-60 seconds or so. Did not go for his gun, yelled for help. While shifting his body so his head would be smashed into grass, instead of into the sidewalk, his shirt pulled up and his firearm became visible. At that point, says Zimmerman, Trayvon issued his death threat, "You're gonna die tonight." Trayvon was attempting to disarm Zimmerman so he could shoot Zimmerman. Probably both of them had hands on the pistol. If Trayvon pulls the gun toward himself, he very well could have "pulled the trigger" by his action. IOW, it may be that Zimmerman did not intend the firearm to discharge.

We don't know what he said under questioning, or why one of the investigators didn't believe the story. We don't have that affidavit to get a handle on the counter-argument.

253 posted on 03/31/2012 8:51:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Cboldt, thanks for your numerous excellent posts on this whole thing. I've been in and out the last couple of days, and I must have missed:

or why one of the investigators didn't believe the story

Is there a reliable source that a particular investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's story, or is this based on the fact that the police report was merely titled "manslaughter"?

254 posted on 03/31/2012 8:56:48 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Alice in Wonderland
Martin was on the bottom, under Zimmerman, face down when he was shot.

Media all say TM was shot in the chest so how does this tie with your saying he was face down when shot ?

255 posted on 03/31/2012 8:58:00 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: floriduh voter

Absolute horse dung!
Eye witness refutes your absurd assertion!


256 posted on 03/31/2012 8:58:44 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: 101stAirborneVet
-- Is there a reliable source that a particular investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's story, or is this based on the fact that the police report was merely titled "manslaughter"? --

There a Serino or Seriano, or something like that affidavit, that disagrees with the decision to not at least hold, and maybe to charge Zimmerman. This is separate from the "what pigeonhole is this investigation in" entry on the initial investigation forms.

257 posted on 03/31/2012 8:59:09 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
"Probably both of them had hands on the pistol."

Some of our fellow Freepers that are better acquainted with the Kel-Tek have pointed out that exact scenario would explain the lack of a chambered round.

258 posted on 03/31/2012 9:03:01 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Kickass Conservative

LOL


259 posted on 03/31/2012 9:04:20 PM PDT by StPaulRevert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=wI9XnAaM8js)
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To: 1066AD

I believe she is referring to a witness that claims Zimmerman was standing over Martin AFTER the shooting, but in her mind (largely influenced by rantings on hard left websites) it has morphed into a witness saying Zimmerman shot Martin in the back (contrary to other witnesses, physical evidence and Zimmerman’s statement).


260 posted on 03/31/2012 9:04:20 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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