He was such a kidder!
Posted on 04/02/2012 12:09:06 PM PDT by katiedidit1
GREEN BAY, Wis. - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney faced a tough question about his Mormon faith while campaigning for Tuesday's Wisconsin primary.
A Ron Paul supporter asked Romney whether he agreed with a passage from the Book of Mormon that describes a cursing of people with a "skin of blackness." Romney's staff took the microphone away from the 28-year-old Green Bay man before he could read the passage.
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Look out for the Paulbots...they’re everywhere..lol. Romney was a tad shocked.
And they are just getting started.
They are going to scream “RACISM” from the Atlantic to the Pacific for the next eight months. Get used to it.
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO RUN ON! Nothing...not one single thing.
They will campaign on the following basis:
1. Republicans are racist.
2. Republicans are anti-women
3. Republicans are rich elitists.
If Romney plays defense on this stuff, he loses.
It’s all about THE ECONOMY! Get it Mitt?
Obama would defeat Romney with that passage
Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.
Obama would defeat Romney with that passage
Obama would defeat Romney with that passage
The Federal Government and the President specifically is tasked with dealing with citizen's personal problems. Holy..............
The fix is in. How many times do we have to get skunked? Dole, McCain, Bush. Even when we win we lose.
Ooooh...grabbing the micro-phone so no one finds out how
looney Mormonism truly is, when is Romney going to be
vetted? It will be too late after the Convention.
They are also going to equate Mormonism with Christianity and then run on:
4. Christians(Mormons)want to run your life.
5. Christians(Mormons)hate gays.
6. Christians(Mormons)want to monitor your bedroom.
After they have spent time equating Mormonism with Christianity they will then start picking at the foibles of the Mormon faith as above. They will want the average voter to scream, "A Pox on all their houses. I guess Obama ain't so bad after all."
Regards,
TS
Weak answer to a question that will be brought up again. I don’t know if the book of mormon says that or not but the Bishop sure as heck should know
Does he believe the passage in the Book of Mormon that says if you are not Mormon you are in the church of the devil?
“there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth” (1 Ne. 14:10-11).
The problem Mormons run into is their prophets are supposed to be infallible and get direct revelation from God.
WHat do you do when so many infallible prophets in the past have gone along with the Mormon teachings about black people and why their skin is dark?
It wasn’t even until the 1970s they let blacks into the Temples (it’s not like you just go there and they let you in) for their secret ceremonies. When BYU figured out blacks could play basketball for them, that’s when the current infallible prophets started to backpedal away from the prior infallible prophets on all that old black people racist crap that existed in the Mormon teachings.
Newt Gingrich would have simply said, ok, what is the mark of Cain? That should have at least silenced the person asking the question since the general thought of society until a few decades ago was that black skin was the mark of Cain.
Often the answer isn’t nearly as important as the question.
How could he have gotten this far?
We might as well have a Halfrican American Muslim running...wait, we already do.
He should have been ready with an answer SIX YEARS AGO. If he and his campaign hasn’t prepared themselves for this, they are way too stupid to be trusted with the presidency.
Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.
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Mormonism is indefensible. Start here ...
http://www.waltermartin.com/mormon.html#mormcon
... then read the book.
Just wait until Obama's flying monkeys are finished with him...
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This is the very reason Joseph Smith supposedly started Mormonism. According to him, he was met by Jesus and Elohim in the woods and asked them what religion he should join, and they told him none of them, that all Christian religions were corrupt. And to start a new one.
Romney has to believe that as it’s the very reason why Mormonism exists and claims to be the only true religion, restored. Otherwise they can’t claim to be any better or worse.
Now some may say that’s no different than Christianity but I will state clearly ALL other religions, Mormonism included, are different fundamentally from Chrisianity. There really are only two religions in the world, Christianity, and the rest. All the other religions of the world require a person to earn salvation. Only Christianity has a Savior that has earned salvation for you and everyone else, because only He could live a perfect life required by God, to keep all God’s laws, and therefore be perfect and be able to gain Heaven. He gave that life that did not require God to punish it for breaking God’s law, up for sacrifice so that those who would believe in Him could be imputed His perfectness, and therefore be able to stand before God because of what Christ did, not because of anything they did.
Every other religion people “earn” their salvation. None are certain they ever “earn” heaven. They never truly know if they have done enough. They say they hope they have. That is NOT the CERTAIN hope Christians have, because they KNOW Jesus is who He says He is and did what He said He did, because HE AROSE FROM THE GRAVE! He has the power to set His life down, and take it up again. We have certain hope because we know what Jesus did. The apostles did not even know this after Jesus died. They ran away and holed up in a locked chamber room not knowing what was going to happen next, thinking they may be the next people put up on crosses. Jesus appeared to them in that locked room and showed them His wounds. What turns a bunch of scared men into those not afraid to die for their faith in a man that was crucified but they now believe is living? NOT A LIE. BELIEF that it happened. They had 40 days with him after His resurrection. They cite over 500 eyewitnesses alive during the writing of the New Testament books (letters and accounts) that knew Jesus and saw Him alive during these 40 days. People do not martyr themselves for a lie. They will die for the truth though.
The bottom line is you can be in any other religion in the world and try to earn your way into heaven, which you cannot. You cannot make an imperfect, sinful life, perfect and holy, on your own. Breaking a perfect, infinite God’s laws requires an infinite penalty (eternal separation from God). The only way that debt is paid is either YOU pay it, spending eternity separated from God, or you receive the free gift God, who is perfect but also loving, has provided in His Son’s innocent suffering and death FOR YOU and me and everyone, on the cross, paying the penalty for your sins and mine - because the wages of sin (all sin, every sin) is death. God made ONE way for every person, the sacrificial death of His son, the perfect God-man, Jesus Christ.
You can try to earn it or you can recognize God’s already paid your penalty and gratefully receive Him as your Savior and Lord. Those under religions of works suffer heavy burdens and worry because they never know if they’ve done enough. They are right to have this nagging worry, they will discover their nagging worry is correct unless they receive Christ as Savior and Lord.
Ride The White Horse ....
Well said
Well said
You would think he has stock answers already prepared for instances like this. The amateur hour continues.
“...ok, what is the mark of Cain?...the general thought of society until a few decades ago was that black skin was the mark of Cain.”
Weren’t Cain’s descendant lost in the Flood? Aren’t we all descended from Noah?
Romney should have answered the question..Newt would have responded.Exactly.
It's not like the question was coming out of nowhere. Should have had a stock answer ready for that question ages ago.
But then, Newt should have been ready for that charge of "influence peddling" that tripped him up and turned him all deer-in-the-headlights in the first pre-Florida debate.
It's just amazing what certain people aren't ready for when you'd expect them to be ready for just that thing.
Yet Romney is a Bishop in the mormon church. He has also ran for president before...should be a pro at it.
Yet Romney is a Bishop in the mormon church. He has also ran for president before...should be a pro at it.
the current infallible prophets started to backpedal away from the prior infallible prophets
Some people may have thought that, but it certainly was not the general thought of society.
He was such a kidder!
I remember that day in 1977 when LDS leader Spencer W. Kimball announced that they no longer believed in that particular part of their sacred scriptures.
Just as they had suddenly decided they no longer believed in the bit about polygamy 70 years earlier.
Seems this church governs itself in much the same way Mitt Romney would govern the country.
(Says Seaplaner, who apparently would have no qualms voting for either a Satanist or a "I'm Jesus Christ returned" candidate or a "I'm-a-god-in-embryo Mormon.")
Well, you do what the Mormon leaders are trying to do now -- erect a new tightrope & try to be a trapeze artist tiptoeing it-- like this Lds general authority did this past weekend @ the Lds General Conference: See Apostle says key to LDS beliefs is divine revelation: Conference » Apostle adds, “Not every statement made by a church leader, past or present ... constitutes doctrine.”
Note what lds "apostle" D. Todd Christofferson tried to get away with over the weekend:
"Not every statement made by a church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine...A statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, [and is] not meant to be official or binding for the whole church." This distinction was especially salient in recent weeks when a Brigham Young University religion professor was quoted in The Washington Post, describing some allegedly Mormon beliefs about black skin being "the curse of Cain" or blacks as so-called "fence-sitters" in premortal life, to explain the Utah-based faith’s exclusion of black men from its all-male priesthood until 1978...Christofferson shared an example of Brigham Young offering a particular perspective in a morning conference speech and then reversing himself by the afternoon. The apostle quoted the 19th-century Mormon leader as saying, "Brigham Young had been talking in the morning, but the Lord was going to talk now."
Now do you see the Mormon leader resemblance 'tween Brigham Young & Mitt Romney? "Mitt Romney had been talking in the morning, but another Mitt Romney was going to talk now."
When the Mormon "faithful" hear a Mormon general authority, they take it from the "horse's mouth" that these guys represent the Mormon gods. Not so fast, claims Christofferson...Might just be an opinion...perhaps a speculation...could be even a spectre caused -- to use a Dickens' phrase -- "an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato." Who knows?
BOTTOM-LINE, MORMONS: Don't you dare take ANYTHING any Lds general authority leader @ face value. Might be a 'doctrine' that's changed later on; or could be a mere speculative opinion.
'Cause that's all Mormon leaders "trade" in these days...opinions...
Bingo...(tho 'twas 1978)
If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm at the local level, people need to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):
* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is — ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" — undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
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The problem is the whole black-skin curse of Cain is not just some prophet saying it, it’s in their book Joseph Smith translated. The guy was quoting the passage and asking Romney to explain the Mormon position on this.
MONK It is true I saw it on Media lite that website it is true if you want check it out you got their archives it is there dude
This is just the beginning. Several of us on here warned that this would happen. Mitt getting the nomination will make Mormonism and their blasphemy front and center.
The only good I can see from all of this is perhaps it will make people see that Mormonism is not harmless and that God will open the eyes of some Mormons that they may come to the Christ of the Bible, like I and many other ex-Mormons have.
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented. |
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
Dang!
I'm TRYING!!!
Romney talked about serving as a Mormon pastor for more than a decade in Boston. He said the experience taught him that most people have personal problems.
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Ummm...Mormons don’t have ‘pastors’. Their Bishops serve 2-3 year terms. Now he may be including his time as a “Stake President” (Equiv. to Catholic Bishop), but to claim he was a ‘pastor’ for 10 years is disingenuous if not outright lying.
Were the following uttered by men of standing in the MORMON Religious Organization®?
Do you stand by these words or do you repudiate them?
(Any MORMONs reading this may comment, too...)
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)
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