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Rise in justifiable homicides linked to weak gun control laws
guardian.co.uk ^ | 5 April, 2012 | Harry J Enten, Gabriel Dance and Karen McVeigh

Posted on 04/05/2012 7:58:27 PM PDT by marktwain

Rising numbers of civilian justifiable homicides across the US are closely linked to states with both weak gun controls and stand-your-ground laws, according to a Guardian analysis of FBI and other data, which show a 25% increase in such killings since the controversial self-defence laws started being introduced around 2005.

Stand-your-ground (SYG) measures, which have attracted increasing scrutiny since the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in Florida, allow citizens to use deadly force when they believe their life is in danger, without requiring them to retreat or try to escape the threat first.

Florida was the first state to introduce an SYG law in 2005 and similar measures have now been adopted in some form by more than 20 states. Many were passed in 2006.

The Trayvon Martin case has led to calls for the SYG laws to be reviewed or repealed.

But the Guardian analysis shows that these measures alone cannot be statistically linked with the rise in justifiable homicides. However, in states with both SYG laws and the weakest gun controls – as defined by the Brady Campaign against gun violence – we found a statistical correlation with an increase in justifiable homicides.

Across the US, such killings have risen sharply over the last five years, according to the data provided by the FBI and the Florida department of law enforcement. Between 2001 and 2005, there were 1,225 homicides classed as justifable, compared to 1,528 in the period 2006-2010. By contrast, violent crime overall has been falling.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; selfdefense; trayvonmartin; us
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Justifiable Homicides up, violent crime down, clearly this is a bad thing, according to the Guardian. /S
1 posted on 04/05/2012 7:58:34 PM PDT by marktwain
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Hey guardian azzhats, thanks for making it abundantly clear that you are part of the predator class. See my tag...


2 posted on 04/05/2012 8:01:11 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: marktwain

So the opposite result is better?

Murders and lots of violent crime linked to strong gun laws?


3 posted on 04/05/2012 8:02:59 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: marktwain

It took 3 geniuses to write this?

You say it like it’s a bad thing.


4 posted on 04/05/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

The Guardian has to be excerpted. It is a far left English paper. The entire article makes it clear that the disapprove of ordinary people having access to guns.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 8:05:59 PM PDT by marktwain
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Hey Guardian...go screw. One of your headlines about the gun free England just two months ago.

“Murder rate rose 5% last year”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/murder-rate-rose-5-percent

How many victims saved their lives in the US being armed over victims being killed being unarmed in the UK, you Commie Pinko losers?


6 posted on 04/05/2012 8:06:20 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: piytar
"Justified homicides by police are also up," said Kenney. "The police are shooting more people and citizens are shooting more people. We're evolving into an increasingly coarse society with no obligation to diffuse a situation and rapidly turn to force.

It's hard to diffuse a situation with people who only understand violence. I know this first hand. You simply aren't going to be able to talk your way out of getting your head slammed into the concrete. Ask Reginald Denny...
7 posted on 04/05/2012 8:06:37 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: marktwain

“the disapprove” should be “they disapprove”


8 posted on 04/05/2012 8:06:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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TRANSLATION: Eric Holder’s people consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 8:11:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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The Guardian is happy with the skyrocketing crime rate in England. They want to share with us.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 8:12:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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“However, in states with both SYG laws and the weakest gun controls... we found ...an increase in justifiable homicides.”

Great news! It works!


11 posted on 04/05/2012 8:16:13 PM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: marktwain

I fail to see any problem.....


12 posted on 04/05/2012 8:16:13 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: marktwain

This editorial of theirs must have been terribly hard to write, because in just about any direction they could argue, self-defense is always reasonable.

It would be interesting to write an article about a future Britain where guns were legal, criminals had to serve long and harsh prison sentences, and heinous criminals would be executed. Such an article would be positive and optimistic, and show how the overall character of the British would improve.

Such an article would imagine ordinary people protecting and defending the elderly the young and the weak from violence by criminals, how the streets were again safe, and how disorderly and vicious people were put on the defensive out of fear of the good citizenry.


13 posted on 04/05/2012 8:20:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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So if justifiable homicides go up but violent crime goes down, doesn’t that mean that less good guys are dying?


14 posted on 04/05/2012 8:21:49 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: marktwain

Uh Guardian, a dead thug is a good thing.


15 posted on 04/05/2012 8:22:28 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: marktwain

It is pretty obvious to anyone with at least two functioning brain cells (which automatically disqualifies libtards) that Mr. Zimmerman could not retreat while the larger Mr. Martin was on top of him smashing his head into concrete repeatedly.

He was not “standing his ground”, he was pinned to it.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 8:25:38 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: marktwain

The guardian can kiss my red-white-and-blue ass. Fight for what you believe in, stand your ground, and live by the rules set forth by our founding fathers. That is the American way!


17 posted on 04/05/2012 8:27:27 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: TSgt

Preaching to the choir here.

Thugs have TRIED to mug me twice.

TRIED.

Won’t go into details, let’s just say I’m culturally a Texan (now living in Cali).


18 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:54 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Eric Holder’s people consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.”

Good one. Prepare to be plagiarized.


19 posted on 04/05/2012 8:28:57 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: running_dog_lackey

Great news! It works!
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This is really the truth. So now instead of murders by burglars, rapist we have JUSTIFIED killing. Killing a bad guy keeps him from killing how many others, how many burglaries are prevented?

It is a shame that Martin had to die, but, it was justified. As far as I’m concerned bad guys don’t deserve to be in society. If Martin was just a burglar then he shouldn’t have had to die, but he was not just a burglar, he was a violent criminal out to kill Zimmerman and steal his gun. It was the gun he wanted. It started out just giving some pain to whitey but when he discovered the gun it was time for Travon to kill. Fortunately it was Travon Martin that got killed instead of the good law abiding citizen Zimmerman.

I am so tired of people saying Zimmerman disobeyed a police order to stop following Martin. That is not what happened, a police radio dispatcher, not a cop, more like a receptionist told Zimmerman that he didn’t have to keep following. Nobody told him not to. As it turns out Zimmerman probably protected his community from Martins life of crime.

Stand your ground laws simply protect you when you stand up to a criminal. There should be a reward given to a person who kills a criminal in the commission of a crime.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 8:29:52 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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