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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: JRandomFreeper

11 words, Johnny.

I cut and pasted 11 words from her screech.

Tell me which of those words she did not use.


601 posted on 05/04/2012 11:40:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: EnglishCon; Lazlo in PA
Hey guys, thanks for the support. (At least I think you were backing me up, since I'm the one R2 has been tangling with) Sometimes I feel like I'm out here all by myself. BTW, EC, I don't really support Ron Paul. But I support him before I support Romney. And I've reached the point where I think no candidate is perfect. So, I've thought about what Jim wrote, and I believe that we don't have to accept that Romney is the candidate until he is. What would be wrong with supporting Paul until after the convention?

Oh, and I'm a lady (but one who was taught, like all conservative women, how to be rational).

602 posted on 05/04/2012 11:40:51 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: American Dream 246

You do as you please! I will stand against the greater evil!


603 posted on 05/04/2012 11:41:04 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Bikkuri

what slime did I throw? I merely stated a truth known to any parent.


604 posted on 05/04/2012 11:41:04 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes.

I post on TBL. I am a proud newbie there.

Is it now a crime to post on another website?

Sorry, if I have a choice between discussion and following the party line, I will pick discussion every damned time.

As I just said - I ain’t in the army now, and you certainly are not worthy to fill my Top’s shoes. JR I respect immensely, but not even he gets to say where my vote goes/who I support.


605 posted on 05/04/2012 11:41:32 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: Bigun
Sorry. Fear isn't selling here.

I will not vote for a pro-abortion, anti-gun, big government liberal. Not even one with an R by his name.

When was the last time the GOP ran a liberal and won the general election? Romney is toast.

/johnny

606 posted on 05/04/2012 11:41:55 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Persevero; Jim Robinson
One thing I’d like to see on FR, as we look to 2016, is a general consensus on the ONE candidate FR is maybe officially supporting

I'm officially endorsing Newt Gingrich for President today.
Jan 19, 2012, by Jim Robinson


He also conducted a FReeper poll, which Newt won. I might be able to find the link.


607 posted on 05/04/2012 11:42:37 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: L,TOWM

I will not write someone else in. I will vote for Romney, as difficult as that will be. The more people who don’t will give all the more strength to the Democrat vote. Sorry, but I’ll not enter into a 2nd Obama term (hopefully not...) knowing I did nothing to prevent it.


608 posted on 05/04/2012 11:43:41 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: reaganaut
Then you might as well vote for him in the primary as well.

You are wrong there as well! The primary is my one and only chance to send him a REAL message!

In the general I will stand against the greater evil!

609 posted on 05/04/2012 11:44:31 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Jim Robinson
"I don’t know about others, but I personally cannot vote for Romney, "

Great. I'm relieved that a truce does not include voting for Romney. Pick and choose the conservative holds the most promising for the future. That said those acclaiming 'I am a conservative' sounds like "I am Spartacus'. It has become self-defining.

My own definition is 1] supporting ending Roe v Wade. 2} no long term war actions without a formal Congressional declaration of war. 3} Restore the power of our production capability to make what we import.

610 posted on 05/04/2012 11:44:31 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Charles Henrickson

thx for the heads up


611 posted on 05/04/2012 11:44:58 AM PDT by advertising guy ( Slo Joe Biden " I promise you the President has a big stick, but Michelle's is bigger ")
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To: Beagle8U

“I would almost bet that he will pick the anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-queer agenda slob, Chris Christi.”

Chris Christie is pro-life.


612 posted on 05/04/2012 11:46:14 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: MSSC6644

Yeah - I mis-aimed. We call it friendly fire in the services, then go for a beer.

While I am here, you need back up, ping me.


613 posted on 05/04/2012 11:46:50 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: reaganaut

“Take your chances, you will regret it.”

Not remotely as much as we’ll all regret it if Obama prevails.

“My view may not be popular, but I will sleep with a clear conscience.”

As will I.


614 posted on 05/04/2012 11:47:48 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: EnglishCon

I do love the military!


615 posted on 05/04/2012 11:49:33 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Palin 2016.

Interesting. That presumes there isn’t a republican running as an incumbent in 4 years.

I’m voting a straight conservative ticket, just as JimRob said to: “ it’s doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots.”

But since Romney isn’t a conservative, I’ll be writing in Palin. Straight conservative up & down the ticket.


616 posted on 05/04/2012 11:50:40 AM PDT by Kevmo (Palin 2012. It's just me in the voting booth. 100% straight republican ticket.)
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To: Finny
" I think people vastly overestimate Obama's threat to their freedoms, especially in a context of more conservatives elected to Congress and Obama winning a weak plurality (because of conservatives' rejection of liberal Romney) and entering office with a clear majority of Americans opposed to him.

None of us is able to see the future (if one of you thinks you can, please send me the DOW openings and closings for next week - it would help me a lot!) I disagree with your assessment because I believe Obama has shown he is perfectly capable of bypassing the Congress and ignoring the law. An honorable man could be controlled by a more conservative Congress, but Obama is not an honorable man. And even an honorable President would have wide latitude in foreign affairs - that's what the Constitution anticipates.

So, respectfully, I think you underestimate Obama's ability to take away our freedoms. One of us is right ... and if Obama is re-elected, I sure as heck hope it is you!

Obama is a narcissist; he will not be affected by a weak plurality. Even if he doesn't take a majority, he won't care. As he himself has said, after the election he will have "more flexibility". He said that to one of the leaders of Russia, directly, in a public place (although he thought the mics weren't on - supposedly.) How can he make it any clearer that, if re-elected, he will do what he damn well pleases?

To quote Shakespeare's Henry V: "In cases of defence 'tis best to weigh

The enemy more mighty than he seems:"

My experience has conditioned me to assume the worst about Obama, and plan accordingly. And that means defeating him in the 2012 election. (If you all can figure out a way to impeach him before the election, that's fine with me too).

617 posted on 05/04/2012 11:51:16 AM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: Persevero

A vote for Romney as the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.


618 posted on 05/04/2012 11:51:16 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
I don't think this thread is about surrender at all...it's recognizing that short of God intervening the hand writing is on the wall Romney will be it. We lost the fight. I personally think the fight was clearly lost as soon as the media pushed Santorum forward. He was the GOP'S plan to keep others at bay. They knew his past and what would come of this as soon as he hit Pa....and they played him well...which then ushered in Romney to proclaim his win.

I hate these candidates who get in the race just to muddy the waters. They willing are used to bait and switch people who are not aware of the game plays...and to cover the flanks of other candidates....making it difficult for the average voter to determine who is really running the ball and who is just setting up another player to take it for the touchdown.

In this Primary it was evident the GOP was to keep Romney from being criticized, they accomplished that, and ready to take the ball for the touch down........where people got distracted is by those candidates being used by the GOP to run the ball for a time...and the media's cooperation in framing the race accordingly.

Romney certainly didn't win because of who he is...he only had to stay on the sidelines while the party, the Obama press, and his money took each candidate out one by one.

The voter took the bait and ran with it...and we saw that right here on FR.

So the fact is we lost....it's not surrender...it's facing the reality and moving ahead to what we can do to shut them down.

619 posted on 05/04/2012 11:51:31 AM PDT by caww
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To: JRandomFreeper

Johnny,

You have said that as long as I have known you!

It’s cool bro. You can’t. Well you can’t. Close the book, end of the tale.

And anyone who thinks fear is involved for you - send em to me.


620 posted on 05/04/2012 11:52:21 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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