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Hawaii Verifies Obama’s Birth For Arizona Secretary Of State
Talking Points Memo ^ | May 22, 2012 | Nick Martin

Posted on 05/22/2012 9:14:44 PM PDT by Beaten Valve

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To: freekitty
How did Hawaii verify his birth?

By handing out a printed copy of the pdf file from the White House web site?

101 posted on 05/23/2012 12:37:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: aposiopetic
"Wisch. You can't make this stuff up."

Actually, the guy's full name makes it even more poignant:

Joshua Wisch.

102 posted on 05/23/2012 12:56:16 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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For years I've been waiting for the big finale where a lady runs out of a smokey government building in HI. She looks into the camera with teary eyes. She has black soot on her dress and lightly wiped across her forehead. Her voice trembles as she sobs the words, “Oh Nooo! The Birth Certificate Records Room mysteriously burst into flames! And... and... and the fire suppression systems were all off-line for their yearly testing! Its all just sooo... tragic!!”

end scene.

103 posted on 05/23/2012 1:02:11 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Fresh Wind

It makes you wonder if this is a set up to keep the public quiet.


104 posted on 05/23/2012 1:24:22 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Jeff Head; Red Steel
Whatever they produced, I saw nothing in the statement by Wisch at the TPM article that mentioned birth in Hawaii. Here's the statement in full:

"Regarding the inquiry from the Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, requesting a verification of birth for President Obama from the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, the matter has been resolved. We have received information from Secretary Bennett that satisfied our requirements, and have therefore provided his office with a verification of birth for President Obama."

These are just more weasely lawyer words.

Maybe the matter was "resolved" when he was shown not proof of an "Obama" birth in Hawaii, but instead photos of his loved ones and their extended families down to the third generation, and made a VERY persuasive offer.

Ah, Rule of Law. We loved ye while it lasted.

105 posted on 05/23/2012 1:25:41 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Red Steel

“Garbage in, garbage out”

Conception and birth. Yep, that very much sums it up for Obama.


106 posted on 05/23/2012 2:39:47 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Exactly. Since this is what Bennett asked for:

Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack Hussein Obama II. In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify the following items from the record of birth:

Department of Health File #151 61 10641
Time of birth: 7:24 p.m.
Name of hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital
Age of father: 25
Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
Age of mother: 18
Birthplace of mother: Wichita, Kansas
Date of signature of parent: 8-7-1961
Date of signature of attendant: 8-8-1961
Date accepted by local registrar: August-8 1961

Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.


And this is Hawaii's statement:

Regarding the inquiry from the Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, requesting a verification of birth for President Obama from the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, the matter has been resolved. We have received information from Secretary Bennett that satisfied our requirements, and have therefore provided his office with a verification of birth for President Obama.

It's clear that Bennett didn't get those points confirmed. And since he'd already stated that an e-mail verification was fine, we know that he hasn't actually seen any kind of document. Once again, Hawaii has merely stated that Obama was born. I could have told him that and saved a whole lot of trouble.
107 posted on 05/23/2012 2:55:43 AM PDT by SuzyQueIN
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To: Red Steel

“The weird metaphor of the carpet and the couch towards the end of the interview”

I’m not able to listen to the radio interview. Can someone repeat the metaphor and it’s meaning here?


108 posted on 05/23/2012 3:15:33 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Beaten Valve

Hey Folks please tell me what has Chamged. Hawaii has already said on Dozens of occasions that they have a Copy of Obamas birth records that show he was Born In Hawaii,the question is did they SHOW Them to anybody,including the Arizona Sec Of State.
To me the policy at the time for the State Of Hawaii was to let illegal immigrants into Hawaii for the Farming needs,they were issuing Certificates of Live Births By the truck Load to get the workers.So they are accomplises and dont want that information to become common knowledge.
I want to know what the Arizona Sec.Of State saw and if he verified any of it period


109 posted on 05/23/2012 3:39:05 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Beaten Valve

Hey Folks please tell me what has Chamged. Hawaii has already said on Dozens of occasions that they have a Copy of Obamas birth records that show he was Born In Hawaii,the question is did they SHOW Them to anybody,including the Arizona Sec Of State.
To me the policy at the time for the State Of Hawaii was to let illegal immigrants into Hawaii for the Farming needs,they were issuing Certificates of Live Births By the truck Load to get the workers.So they are accomplises and dont want that information to become common knowledge.
I want to know what the Arizona Sec.Of State saw and if he verified any of it period


110 posted on 05/23/2012 3:40:08 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Exactly. The press reports spin it to say that they confirmed he was born in Hawaii when they didn't say that at all !!!
111 posted on 05/23/2012 4:47:41 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Beaten Valve
On second review, there’s no confirmation from Arizona’s Secretay of State, just comments from Hawaii.

And yet, this thread gets hubdreds of replies that ignore the lack of verification. I'll wait until Joe lets us in on it.

112 posted on 05/23/2012 4:48:48 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Hawaii changed their law to accommodate Obama. BC’s were once available to anyone upon request in Hawaii. Not anymore.

Do you have links where we can see what the old law vs new law is, and when it was changed? I hadn't heard about this before, but I'm admittedly an amateur on this topic.

113 posted on 05/23/2012 5:07:42 AM PDT by MWFsFreedom
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To: philman_36

The money quote from the article in #36:

“It’s not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.
Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama’s name on the ballot.” - Article @post 36

Hawaii says they are all set, Bennett has *not yet* said anything on the quality of the verification.


114 posted on 05/23/2012 5:12:19 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: danamco

I hope Bennet isn’t finished.


115 posted on 05/23/2012 5:12:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: dixiechick2000

I believe that is very plausible. And sounds exactly like something he would do through that time period as being able to game the system to stick it to the “man.”


116 posted on 05/23/2012 5:31:53 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: little jeremiah

“Bennett said the issue is now resolved from his point of view. He has cancelled a planned Wednesday news conference where he was expected to discuss the issue.

“I’m happy that we got what we asked for and that’s what I was expecting all along,” Bennett said Tuesday night.”

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/05/22/20120522obama-birth-hawaii-arizona-verification.html

They must have got to Bennett. Pictures of him in a “compromising” position I would imagine.


117 posted on 05/23/2012 5:34:39 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Beaten Valve

bfl


118 posted on 05/23/2012 5:40:11 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: Beaten Valve

“Verification”, meaning a false statement, but no birth certificate.


119 posted on 05/23/2012 5:42:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: melancholy; null and void; Brown Deer; butterdezillion

PING to comment #117 and link.

Bennett cancels press conference.


120 posted on 05/23/2012 6:15:56 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: doc1019

Unless you are adopted and then you can only get hold of the BC created by the court for the adoptee parents. Birth records are sealed.


121 posted on 05/23/2012 6:32:12 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or was he lying then?)
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To: danamco; butterdezillion; LucyT; Brown Deer

Wonder what Corsi brought with him in his carry on. Is it posible they have a photo copy of a BC used by BSO for school records or little league or whatever? hmmmm?


122 posted on 05/23/2012 6:40:30 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or was he lying then?)
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To: hoosiermama

I still hold that nobama was hatched (like the reptile he is)rather than born. That is the sticking point.


123 posted on 05/23/2012 6:51:10 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Red Steel

Set up .... I hope so.

After HDOH confirms the number of the BC, wouldn’t it be wonderful if that BC came into the public realm under a different name ....


124 posted on 05/23/2012 7:02:31 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Smokeyblue; Mr Rogers

This seems fishy to me. He had planned a press conference to talk about the issue. Now he supposedly has “proof” that Obama was born in Hawaii (bearing in mind that Deputy HI AG Jill Nagamine considered a documentably-falsified birth index sufficient “proof” that Obama was born in Hawaii...) that’s supposed to get all these demanding e-mailers off his back and yet he’s not even going to hold a press conference to take questions on what happened?

No, something is definitely fishy here.

We’ll see what statement he makes today, but I want to see the communications showing what change he made to his request and I want to see exactly what they gave him.

Mr Rogers, you’re in AZ. Do you have any idea how to go about requesting copies of the communications between Bennett and HI officials?

We already know they’ve manipulated their database in the past, so anything they “verify” based on their database is worthless. Then again, if Corsi truly has a source from within the HDOH who noted when a forgery was placed in the files, then anything they “verify” based on that forgery is worthless also.

I think Arpaio has it right. No matter how you slice it, the only way anything the HDOH says can be credible at this point is if they allow an audit - which would require at least the microfilms and computer transaction logs.

Basically what a “verification” does is makes whoever did the verifying legally liable for perjury if/when it is shown to be false. Then again, if they’ve got a forged BC in their files, they could claim they didn’t know it was forged.

The computer transaction logs would show who did what with the database. Those transaction logs are supposed to be discloseable - except that the HDOH claims that disclosure would frustrate a legitimate government function. Meaning that a moron like me could figure out how to hack their system. The same reason Okubo originally claimed it was critical for the BC# to be redacted. Yeah, right. Every COLB they print out has a BC# that could cause their whole system to be hacked...

If the people who “verified” a Hawaii birth for Obama were charged with perjury they would have to prove that they didn’t know it was a forgery. The reasonable way for them to know whether it was or wasn’t a forgery would be by looking at the original security microfilms. Anything less than that would be negligent, given the suspicions publicly expressed.


125 posted on 05/23/2012 7:06:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ronald_Magnus; little jeremiah; Red Steel
How strange. Within minutes last night the AP article I linked to was on at least a dozen websites.
Only one site has this up and everybody reporting on it is pointing to that site as confirmation.
Can't anybody (including the AP) call the office and get an "official" confirmation for print?
126 posted on 05/23/2012 7:13:35 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Smokeyblue

See #126. Very strange that nobody else is reporting this.


127 posted on 05/23/2012 7:17:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
BC’s were once available to anyone upon request in Hawaii.
In what decade are you talking about? 1960?
128 posted on 05/23/2012 7:20:23 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; MWFsFreedom
BC’s were once available to anyone upon request in Hawaii.

Here is a pickable link (opens in new screen)...@www.capitol.hawaii.gov - /hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/

Here is the timeline for - §338-18 Disclosure of records
[L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]

So since at least 1949 there have been restrictions in Hawaii on disclosure.

Help me out here with your assertion. What decade were you talking about?

129 posted on 05/23/2012 7:31:52 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Triple
Hawaii says they are all set, Bennett has *not yet* said anything on the quality of the verification.

And I'm taking this whole "he canceled" thing with a grain of salt.
The MSM would be all over this if there were something to the story, just like they were last night with the article I linked to.

Patience is a virtue and I'm willing to wait and see what develops.

130 posted on 05/23/2012 7:43:28 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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131 posted on 05/23/2012 8:21:16 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: doc1019; philman_36; Still Thinking
Birth certificates are public record and therefore are available to anyone.

Not in all States. The laws vary from State to State.

Here is the Hawaiian law concerning who is allowed access to vital records.

132 posted on 05/23/2012 8:28:43 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Jeff Head
It should get interesting...it should have gotten interesting a long time ago before it became so absolutely serious...ie. before the Kenyan Marcist was ever sworn in.

Before the primaries we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he wasn't actually his party's candidate.

Before the main election we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he wasn't actually the president elect.

Before the electoral college vote we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually been elected until the electoral college said so.

Before the congress accepted the electoral college vote we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually been approved until the congress accepted the electoral college vote.

Before was sworn in we made the case.
They said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually violated the constitution until he became president.

Now that he is in the White House, they say it's too late, you should have said something sooner!

(originally posted 10/30/2009)

133 posted on 05/23/2012 8:40:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1219 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: ASA Vet; Beaten Valve

I had a “battle” with some TPM diciples, many there really “educated” Marxister with red flag and sicle, totally ignorant about the Constitution’s Article 2. Section 1. They are brainwashed as to SAD a U.S. citizen so is Barry under any circumstanses. To go there is like going to DU, you need a shower after!!!


134 posted on 05/23/2012 8:50:32 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; philman_36; MWFsFreedom
Hawaii changed their law to accommodate Obama. BC’s were once available to anyone upon request in Hawaii. Not anymore.

The law hasn't been changed since 2001.

135 posted on 05/23/2012 8:56:33 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Casie
For years I've been waiting for the big finale where a lady runs out of a smokey government building in HI. She looks into the camera with teary eyes. She has black soot on her dress and lightly wiped across her forehead. Her voice trembles as she sobs the words, “Oh Nooo! The Birth Certificate Records Room mysteriously burst into flames! And... and... and the fire suppression systems were all off-line for their yearly testing! Its all just sooo... tragic!!” end scene.

LOL!
Nicely painted.

136 posted on 05/23/2012 9:03:38 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: philman_36

My only hope is that Sheriff Arpaio has more up in his sleves than we know about. Sending Mark Zullo, a PI and Dr. Corsi half the way around the globe seems to tell me there’s far more to come. Hopefully they can “pry” their way in to see and inspect visually what Hawaii is sending Bennett from their “archive”???

However, we thought we had Bill Clinton cornered w/impeachment, but he scatted and now part of this whole problem being threathened!!!


137 posted on 05/23/2012 9:07:54 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

Also being able to intervene in the dead baby b.c. case and get their foot into the hospital as well while they are there???


138 posted on 05/23/2012 9:13:28 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Of course Drudge is reporting now that Hawaii has confirmed his birth and link to a story where they say ( of course not quoted - the reporters take ) that Bennett said they verified an American birth for him. Of course in their statement they never said that.
139 posted on 05/23/2012 9:28:53 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Beaten Valve
"It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy [Arizona Secretary of State Ken] Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday."

Fox News "Latino" (whatever that is, Mexican?). Anyone have the American Fox News version?

140 posted on 05/23/2012 9:33:16 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: butterdezillion

Yeah, I have a feeling the “proof” was a copy of the phony index record. The people of Arizona should demand the last series of emails - how the AG of Hawaii told him to modify his request, what the modification was, and the “proof” they sent him.


141 posted on 05/23/2012 9:48:13 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

Freedom of Information request on Arizona, not Hawaii


142 posted on 05/23/2012 9:51:53 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: butterdezillion
... And also demand of him ( if they didn't confirm it, which I doubt they did )why he didn't demand the verification that he originally asked for - the BC number, date of registration, etc. After all, their initial denials were not on what he was asking for, but on why he was asking for it. Since they answered him, he must have satisfied the why, so why cave in on the what? Is that the REAL reason they were denying it and the AG of Hawaii told him over the phone if he changed what he was asking for ( giving him a hint ) then they would reply ?
143 posted on 05/23/2012 9:56:49 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Yes, that is what I meant ( the him was referring to Bennett )


144 posted on 05/23/2012 10:00:02 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: philman_36
Yeppers! They changed the law to accommodate 0bama - back in 1949 - knowing that it would accommodate 0bama who was going to be born a dozen years later in 1961!

The power of this conspiracy is just breath taking!

145 posted on 05/23/2012 10:09:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: wideminded
I was already on it.
If you haven't already...see #129.

I'm no slouch.

146 posted on 05/23/2012 10:11:50 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream; Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
They changed the law to accommodate 0bama - back in 1949...
I never claimed the laws were changed to accommodate 0bama so I have no idea why you're reply was directed at me.
(well, I do have an idea why you've done so, but I won't go there today)

Please address your comments to Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America who made the following comment at @reply 100.
Hawaii changed their law to accommodate Obama.

147 posted on 05/23/2012 10:18:10 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: danamco
However, we thought we had Bill Clinton cornered w/impeachment, but he scatted...
He was impeached. He wasn't removed from office.
148 posted on 05/23/2012 10:20:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: null and void

BTTT!


149 posted on 05/23/2012 10:24:44 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I replied to you because I thought you would get a laugh out of it.

Your idea why I replied to you is probably accurate.


150 posted on 05/23/2012 10:31:10 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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