Posted on 06/09/2012 10:49:03 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
How on earth could one possibly do such a retrospective anyhow.
The biggest incarceration contributor in the US today is drug related crime. Lots of losers may have been getting zonked on opium and morphine from their chemists in the late 1800s but hardly anyone was going to jail on account of it. Certainly nobody stole to keep their habit up or slew rival dealers. But that’s when Christian faith counted for a lot more publicly as well and getting zonked would have gotten severe public disapproval. It just wasn’t done or accepted, any more than crapping in public was. The supposedly more humane ban gave rise to many very inhumane consequences.
That is absolutely untrue. The bible states that to spare the rod spoils the child. The bible instructs to PROPERLY discipline a child to NOT do wrong.
The bible also demands that one NOT abuse a child and that it would be better for them (presumably the abuser) if a mill stone were tied around their neck and they were thrown in the sea. The point being that GOD doesn’t like or approve of child abuse.
There is a difference between abuse and proper punishment for deliberate and willful wrong behavior. The same is true for someone who accidentially does spmething wrong and the person who evilly plans ahead of time to do wrong.
I would also say that excessive punishment could constitute abuse and even if one delivers the punishment while not in control of their own emotions it could be abusive if the child is too severely disciplined.
The bible says ‘Do not the sun go down on your anger’ which means don’t retain a gruge or anger excessively long. Temperance or moderation is always in order.
Even in the case of a person who may accidentially kill someone else there were 7 ‘cities of refuge’ they could flee to in the old testament where they would be protected from reprisal for the accidential death.
Getting back to this particular case, if the father is hitting the boy simply because of dropping the ball, the father IS being abusive.
Perhaps the father was softly hitting the boy because perhaps the boy was afraid of being hit by the ball and turning away and therefore the father hit him to show that the ball wouldn’t actually hurt him and the father was trying to encourage the son to handle the slight pain of an uncaught ball or getting hit by the ball. Regardless, the father IS WRONG to even try to teach in this manner.
As a young child, I never wanted to hurt anyone ever and my father tried to teach me to protect myself by pushing me into fighting with other kids. I still rejected hitting back and would rather run away than hit someone.
My father’s concern in my case about teaching me how to protect myself was a good and valid concern however his method was very wrong and ABUSIVE.
well, screw you. I have 3 kids, all grown, well mannered.
Can we all just stop talking about “fathers” disciplining their children?
This SOB is NOT the kid’s father.
It makes all the difference in the world. He should be prosecuted the same as if he were a perfect stranger who assaulted the kid out of the blue.
If crimes against children by mama’s shack-up buddies were properly prosecuted — as ‘assaults,’ not child abuse — that might deter some of the thousands of “boyfriends” and stepfathers who routinely maim and murder the children of the women they’re shacking up with.
At the very least, this guy should lose his job and go to jail for a long time — exactly what would happen if he assaulted a co-worker or another adult. Or the child of a complete stranger.
And he should never, ever be allowed back into that home. By court order.
This is a little late in posting for you to say “if” about anything. You either did, or did not view this video. Geven your number of minority opinion postings, would you have cheered the man on to continue the baseball lesson for the day?
“If crimes against children by mama’s shack-up buddies were properly prosecuted — as ‘assaults,’ not child abuse — that might deter some of the thousands of “boyfriends” and stepfathers who routinely maim and murder the children of the women they’re shacking up”
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You are so right.
My mother was widowed with a 5 and 2 year old. She never even went on a date until we were adults.
A friend of mine was divorced with a 3 year old. She dated one man (not live-in) for years until her daughter graduated college. They then married.
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I cheer any parent who cares enough for his kid to spend time with him and discipline him if needed. No, I would never ever advocate disciplining a kid for dropping a ball, but we don't know if that was the cause. Do you believe that there is never a case where corporal punishment is in the best interest of a child?
I'm an optimist. I take pleasure in the fact that 2 percent of the posters are very astute people.
It appears he hit ya in the head too many times.
I'm an optimist.
No, your a phony, one who tried to make this look like some kind of CA issue, where the step dad, in your twisted rationalization, was somehow displaying normal behavior.
Ya got your teet caught in the ringer here, Mr. Kangaroo.
Don’t be offended.
Did you notice that I didn’t say ALL step fathers beat their children?
Look, I work with the juvenile justice system and the FACT is step fathers and mother’s boyfriends statistically have much higher rates of hitting, abusing or killing their step children.
I see the evidence ALL the time.
On the other hand, on the merits of the case I will not apologize for what I think is right.
And no, my dad never hit me in the head. The world would be a better place had we more fathers who cared enough to toil hard for their kids, who could discipline their sons and teach them right from wrong while still letting them know they were loved. The world is cursed much more from absentee dads and irresponsible baby makers than from men like Mr. Sanchez who at least care enough for a kid to be around.
Excellent response!!
I work with the juvenile justice system and the things I’ve seen and heard from the DAs about step fathers and mother’s boyfriends beating the HELL out of infants, toddlers and little children would make your hair curl.
A lot of is while the mother is PRESENT or knows about the abuse — she’d rather keep a man, even a violent one or sexual abuser of her own children, in her life than stop the abuse.
Sick! Sick! Sick!!!
And again, FTR, step parents are FAR MORE likely to abuse children they aren’t related to than the bio father. That is a FACT.
Of course ya did, when ya added to the title...Even though it's the second word mentioned in article, you posted!
And in 38 ya said, "If this whipping in California"....This is pathetically funny!
Can I be honest? You and your two friends here attempting to rationalize this bullshit is very reveling. P>
I like your one buddy here saying a belt whipping like this will make this kid a World Series star, or some twisted disjointed comment.
You live in a bizarro world Kangaroo, but I did enjoy your back peddling when ya saw most others noticing your comments.
I especially like the one you kept repeating, "We really don't know what happened"...
You're a scary Kangaroo.
I couldn't imagine Jesus beating his children, so I'll go with his example.
You seem to be implying that those of us who will not hit our children somehow don't love them enough, or at least not as much as you.
I find that incredibly offensive. If I were you I'd be asking my self how I screwed up so badly as a parent that they need to be beaten like dogs.
If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Nobody's right all the time.
I’ll say for what seems to be the 1000th time, I am not for a kid getting a whipping for dropping a ball but WE DON’T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY FROM WHAT THE VIDEO SHOWS.
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Billy, let’s go play catch while we contemplate your punishment for playing with matches, OK?
I think your response: “If you have to hit your kids, you lost the authority battle long before. And Blue Ink’s are the thread winners.
I can’t believe how a few on this thread are twisting themselves into knots to justify a step father beating a young child 1/2 his size.
I work with kids who have had the s*** beat out of them repeatedly by abusive step fathers or mother’s boyfriends. Every one is now damaged goods — either withdrawn, distrustful and fearful or, more likely, filled with incredible rage and ready to fight at the drop of a hat, do the same to other kids that they had done to them.
The physical damage (usually) heals, the psychological and emotional scars are much much worse.
But I think there's a lot of judging of parents who do use corporal punishment. Corporal punishment for real offenses (and that does not include dropping a ball or inconveniencing a parent) is not child abuse. It's painful, not pleasant for the parent or child, but in some cases, for some kids, it's the best way to make a believer out of a kid and produce a happy productive adult respectful of the rights and feelings of other.
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