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Candidates in Mexico Signal a New Tack in the Drug War
New York Times ^ | June 10, 2012 | By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD and DAMIEN CAVE

Posted on 06/10/2012 11:42:40 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

MEXICO CITY — The top three contenders for Mexico’s presidency have all promised a major shift in the country’s drug war strategy, placing a higher priority on reducing the violence in Mexico than on using arrests and seizures to block the flow of drugs to the United States.

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“Results will be measured not by how many criminals are captured, but by how stable and secure the communities are,” Ms. Vázquez Mota wrote on her campaign Web site.

Mr. López Obrador — whose security strategy is called “Abrazos, no balazos,” or “Hugs, not bullets” — has criticized how United States officials have approached securing Mexico. “They should send us cheap credit, not military helicopters,” he said. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cartels; drugwar; mexico; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 06/10/2012 11:42:46 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

If Obrador wins then Mexico has gotten a stupid as us when we immaculated obozo.

He will immediately cut PRI-level deals with the narcos and will claim “success.”


2 posted on 06/11/2012 12:27:40 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wow. So ... they plan on turning a blind eye as long as the violence shifts north of the border. Corrupt, backstabbing, lying, criminal conspirators running for President of Mexico. Must be a Monday.


3 posted on 06/11/2012 3:14:42 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Kellis91789

That’s what it souns like to me./

It would appear they will make a deal with drug lords to leave them alone if they stop the killing.


4 posted on 06/11/2012 3:19:44 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Hugs, not bullets”

Yeah, that’ll go over like a fart in church, when the AK47s are in full-auto at the fawning, unsuspecting crowds.

Didn’t we try something stupid like that once? “Hugs, Not Drugs”? How’d that work out for us here?


5 posted on 06/11/2012 3:25:50 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

running up the surrender flag on public media...


6 posted on 06/11/2012 4:50:12 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Legalize the damn stuff and end this insanity


7 posted on 06/11/2012 4:54:37 AM PDT by uncbob
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8 posted on 06/11/2012 5:01:12 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Sounds to me like the pols have agreed among themselves to sell out to the highest bidder. And I can’t say I blame them because life has become so dangerous down there.


9 posted on 06/11/2012 6:42:09 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: carriage_hill
Didn’t we try something stupid like that once? “Hugs, Not Drugs”?

Hugs Not Drugs is about parents educating their children against drugs (http://www.hugsnotdrugs.com/index.php/history); please explain the resemblance you see.

10 posted on 06/11/2012 8:46:43 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; freedumb2003; Kellis91789; Venturer; bill1952
placing a higher priority on reducing the violence in Mexico than on using arrests and seizures to block the flow of drugs to the United States.

Why should Mexico endanger the lives of its citizens so that Americans can be hampered from ingesting substances of which other Americans disapprove? Would you support a policy of endangering the lives of U.S. citizens so that Mexicans could be hampered from ingesting substances of which other Mexicans disapprove?

11 posted on 06/11/2012 8:52:57 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Hugs, Not Drugs”
and
“Hugs, Not Bullets”

Resemblance? Pretty obvious idiocy, isn’t it? Or am I just *cynical*, after all those feel-good/do-nothing/spend-a-billion-$/no-results worthless programs?

The “Drugs” idiocy sure didn’t work, and the “Bullets” stupidity probably won’t, either. Someone forgot to tell the addicted kids and the drug dealers about the “Drugs” ad campaign, and they’ll forget to tell the narco-terrorists about the “Bullets” idiocy campaign, too. $10 says we can count on it.

Maybe I’m just jaded with liberal, feel-good stuff like that. My bad, I guess, JSNTN.


12 posted on 06/11/2012 9:14:24 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

It is stupid because it implies that parents have a choice between hugging their kids and giving them drugs. Not that many parents are inclined to give their kids drugs, and some of the best-loved kids end up on drugs. Kids really need discipline more than namby-pamby touchy-feely “be nice to them and they will do whatever you want.” That doesn’t work worth a damn.


13 posted on 06/11/2012 9:14:35 AM PDT by webheart (King of the Run-On Sentence)
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To: carriage_hill
Didn’t we try something stupid like that once? “Hugs, Not Drugs”?

Hugs Not Drugs is about parents educating their children against drugs (http://www.hugsnotdrugs.com/index.php/history); please explain the resemblance you see.

“Hugs, Not Drugs”
and
“Hugs, Not Bullets”

Resemblance? Pretty obvious idiocy, isn’t it?

So that's all the resemblance you were implying?

Or am I just *cynical*, after all those feel-good/do-nothing/spend-a-billion-$/no-results worthless programs?

Please provide evidence that billions were spent on “Hugs, Not Drugs.” Based on the link I provided it appears to be a fully voluntary and privately-funded initiative.

The “Drugs” idiocy sure didn’t work

Not even among those who chose to participate?

14 posted on 06/11/2012 9:29:42 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: webheart
It is stupid because it implies that parents have a choice between hugging their kids and giving them drugs.

No, it implies that some kids turn to drugs to blot the pain of having had too little parental love - and that more of the latter can lead to less likelihood of the former. I don't know why any conservative would object to that (so long as its not presented as the silver bullet to end all drug use, which it never was as far as I know).

15 posted on 06/11/2012 9:33:51 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The two things are tied inexorably to each other.

The Mexicans cannot stop the killing without stopping the drugs.

There are Billions of dollars going into Mexico from drug sales. I doubt seriously they really want to stop the drugs, and as long as there are rival dealers there will be killing.

Their Police Departments are a joke and their Military isn’t much better.


16 posted on 06/11/2012 9:48:25 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Add-up the “fully voluntary and privately-funded initiative costs”, if you can get a true accounting of it. Doubt you can. I’d bet the cost per ‘hugged’ child is astronomical. Not saying they weren’t worth it.

Read first 3 paragraphs of this article; then multiply by 1,000s:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1291&dat=19871006&id=PJszAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kY0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4752,1136910

Next, get some true, accurate drug-use stats - not just gov’t-doctored numbers to look good for public consumption - and it’ll be clear that drug-alcohol use is up. Way up.


17 posted on 06/11/2012 9:54:13 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill
then multiply by 1,000s

Why?

drug-alcohol use is up. Way up.

I don't see where this program ever claimed it'd help anyone other than participants.

18 posted on 06/11/2012 9:58:36 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Venturer
The Mexicans cannot stop the killing without stopping the drugs.

Says who? The USA stopped the alcohol-related killings of Prohibition exactly by recognizing that we couldn't stop the drug alcohol.

19 posted on 06/11/2012 10:00:59 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

So: Your point is that drugs should be legal. Don’t stop them , just make them legal.

Not a bad point it would solve the problem of those who are claen and sober having to look for a job, They could just get the jobs of the addicts.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 10:10:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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