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Will Microsoft's new Windows Tablet be a Zune or an Xbox 360?
Forbes ^ | 6/17/2012 | Ewan Spence

Posted on 06/17/2012 8:54:11 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

It looks like Microsoft are about to launch their own Tablet device, probably running a version of Windows 8 (and yes, I’m assuming Taniyama-Shimura once more). I’m fully expecting a lot of commentators to talk about how inexperienced the Redmond based company is at making hardware. So let me point out two counter-examples before the big event for your consideration.

I’ll start with the Xbox 360. It’s had a pretty rough ride in terms of hardware with the Red Ring of Death and numerous issues early in the life cycle of the platform, but as Microsoft have understood the issues, the return rate has dropped to levels expected in the industry.

With over 67 million 360 units sold, don’t tell me that the 2012 iteration of Microsoft can’t do hardware. Xboxes continue to shift by the truck-load. It’s one of Redmond’s success stories of recent years, and is one of the major components in the digital assault on home media.

Then there’s the Zune HD. I’ll declare an interest here, and out myself as someone who actually bought a Zune HD early in 2010, and the 32GB unit is still going strong. The final portable media player in the Zune line got everything right – a touch screen display, a slick user interface that put the focus on exploring your music collection which of course was an early iteration of the Metro UI we see around Microsoft’s latest products. It made music fun, and was streets ahead of the iPod touch for listening and watching media

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: ipad; micorsoft; microsoft; nokia; tablets; windows8; xbox; zune
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To: SmokingJoe; VanDeKoik
Setting aside the typical fanboy blind support for products that haven't appeared and therefore haven't been evaluated much less succeeded or failed yet(*), I hope that Microsoft has used their long delay time wisely and will introduce a solid product with a well thought-out plan for how to make it compete against the deeply entrenched iOS and Android products.

Hardware-wise, over the years Microsoft has had a few great products and a number of embarrassing failures.

Software-wise, I've been working with advance copies of Window 8 for the better part of a year, and I think it'll probably do well on touch-based hand-helds given a solid hardware platform to run on. (I personally can't stand it on a desktop or laptop without touch, but that's irrelevant for a tablet which is touch by definition.)

I think Microsoft is very smart to do their own hardware on this. I honestly wish them the very best of luck, given that they're so late starting out of the gate, and at such a disadvantage market-wise.



(*) Which applies equally to the fanboys of Microsoft, Apple, Linux, etc.

21 posted on 06/17/2012 10:04:55 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SmokingJoe
My wife and I just got the Lumia. It's taking some getting used to. So far I like it. It's huge compared to most phones. Watching movies via Netflix is a pretty good view. Sounds okay but haven't used phones yet.

I wish it would give me more user choices. Like how to remove apps, etc.

However, they are using policies from Apple. You can't directly connect to a Windows machine and download pics, music, etc. You have to go through Zune where they hide all the easy stuff and cover it up with ads and offers to sell you apps.

There is no "explorer" so you really don't know what's on the phone.

Can't figure out how to use Skype for videos calls either. I'm sure there is a way but I don't think even they know how it's going to work, yet.

22 posted on 06/17/2012 10:08:21 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: freedumb2003
I have Apple products and MS products. iTunes is no better than Media Player. You just have to learn how each one works. IMHO much of Apple's software is less, not more intuitive. The “everything just works” description of Apple stuff is laughable. Now, once you get comfortable with it it works just fine, and there are applications where MS does not work as well.
23 posted on 06/17/2012 10:08:58 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Swordmaker

The hardware will have to be slowed down in order to give it decent battery life — but MS will sell the imaginary sizzle and probably do pretty well (at first).


24 posted on 06/17/2012 10:11:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Swordmaker; ShadowAce
You guys may be interested.

ShadowAce: Probably warrants a Tech Ping, there being no "Microsoft Ping List" or "Windows Ping List" as such.

Swordmaker: This is more a personal ping than a request for a list ping. I respectfully advise against an Apple ping, given that this is a purely Microsoft/Windows thread and deserves a chance to have a reasonable discussion without getting disrupted (taking a cue from the Apple threads which have historically been pounded on and disrupted by Apple-haters).

25 posted on 06/17/2012 10:15:55 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SunkenCiv
> The hardware will have to be slowed down in order to give it decent battery life — but MS will sell the imaginary sizzle and probably do pretty well (at first).

Let's hope they've done better than that. It would be a shame if, after all this time, the best they can do is only as good as the competition's last-year's offering.

For a Microsoft tablet to succeed, it will have to be AT LEAST better than the iPad-2 in every respect except iOS. And that's quite possible given Microsoft's considerable resources.

I personally don't think Windows 8 will be the equal of iOS out of the gate, though (like Windows against OS-X) it deserves a chance to mature and stabilize. Windows 7 is a great OS. Windows 8 ... we'll see.

26 posted on 06/17/2012 10:21:21 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SmokingJoe

I’m an Android guy, but I played with a Lumia 900 recently, and I was really impressed. That thing was blazing fast. I don’t love that grid start page thing, but all the other areas of the UI looked beautiful.


27 posted on 06/17/2012 10:34:10 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: SmokingJoe

Only the fool gives MS a less than 80% chance of eventually dominating the tablet market.


28 posted on 06/17/2012 10:48:14 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: mnehring

one report says they have 85.00 cost to vendor for win8 built in - so 99.00 is going to be hard.


29 posted on 06/17/2012 10:49:11 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Bobalu
I tend to agree. I think MS has been biding it's time examining the markets before jumping in with both feet.

MS has a huge cash cache to spend now and I think it knows where to put it.

30 posted on 06/17/2012 10:52:18 AM PDT by what's up
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To: dayglored

Thanks dayglored. Mea culpa, this is a different product than what I'd read about. FRchives:
31 posted on 06/17/2012 10:56:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SmokingJoe
Microsoft Rule #1: Never buy version 1.0 of anything Microsoft puts out. Wait for version 3.0. No, it won't be complete, but with work, it may float.

Microsoft Rule #2: Since you are signing up to provide lifetime, unpaid, support to your own product, consider your new purchase your new hobby.

... and so it goes

32 posted on 06/17/2012 11:12:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: mnehring
If they can create a tablet that is Kindle priced and doesn’t require service contracts with a provider (Imagine a $99 WiFi w/ no service contract from a wireless carrier) it would break open a lot of markets.

That already exists for around $250... I bought my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 used, but I have seen the new Galaxy Tab 7+ which has a more powerful processor and internal memory but no cellular connectivity advertised for $250. Of course there are larger Galaxy Tab models that cost more.

I bought my Galaxy Tab 7 used six months ago through Ebay for $200. I have never actually used it with Sprint. According to the forums many others are using them on Boost Mobile who supposedly has an “unlimited Internet plan” for $15 a month. It is extremely compact, has WiFi of course, the battery lasts all day even when you are using it to surf the net, two cameras so you can video conference or take halfway decent pictures, has a great screen, bluetooth, an HDMI adapter that cost me $20, GPS, Micro-SD memory expansion, a fast processor, and so far every program I have downloaded for it has been compatible.

I was actually planning on buying a Color Nook, or Kindle Fire to read Ebooks on, but found great Android GPS software for our airplane. I bought an inexpensive yoke mount and it fits and works much better than my Garmin Aviation GPS that cost many times more. That is not actually a fair comparison because the Garmin was purchased 20 years ago and has only about a 2.6” monochrome display.

This thing has been so much more useful than I thought it would be. I already had unlimited internet access through Sprint on my phone. I use the phone as a wireless hotspot and use the tablet for surfing when I am at work or on the road. I also bought a little combo bluetooth keyboard/case for $20 so that I can type out messages more quickly. It just looks like a little day planner.

33 posted on 06/17/2012 11:14:57 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: OldEarlGray
"I don’t see a tablet replacing my laptop."

...which is exactly why ultrabooks are coming on so strong.

34 posted on 06/17/2012 12:28:17 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: SmokingJoe
Not only does their hardware suck, some of their OS software is equally sucky:


35 posted on 06/17/2012 12:42:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SmokingJoe

So how long before Ubuntu is running well on it?


36 posted on 06/17/2012 12:43:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: SmokingJoe

The industry rags are saying Win 8 is fine for tablets, terrible for desktop/laptoo. The desktop/laptop users should stick with Win 7.


37 posted on 06/17/2012 12:54:37 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin; SmokingJoe

Much as I dislike windows 8 on a desktop, I admit it runs faster than win7 on the same hardware.


38 posted on 06/17/2012 1:23:32 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SmokingJoe

When will somebody please start a Microsoft or Windows ping list? I would do it if I had the time. Alas, I don’t.

If you do start one, please add me to it. Thanks!


39 posted on 06/17/2012 1:29:31 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SmokingJoe
Naaaah. They don't expect anything from any Applebot. Applebots will be Applebots. Nothing new in that. Meanwhile, the XBOX says, “Hello!”

Congratulations! Less than 10 posts to the first personal insult. You'll have to be faster if you want to get into the top 5.

40 posted on 06/17/2012 9:54:13 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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