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Zimmerman Prosecutors Struggle to Outmaneuver Florida Law
US Politics Today ^ | June 23, 2012

Posted on 06/23/2012 1:22:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: calex59
"This account is full of lies, especially the tired old canard, that has been disproved, that Zimmerman didn’t “stand down” when he was told. Actually he was never told to stand down but when they told him to quit following he did."

You are right. A 911 operator is NOT a policeman and has NO authority to ORDER anything. In fact he (the 911 operator) only "suggested" that he not follow Travon. ("We don't need you to do that"), was the actual statement. That sure as hell was NOT an ORDER. It is my understanding that Mr. Zimmerman did quit pursuing at that time.

The local news here in central FL started this whole thing by interviewing so called witnesses, you know the ones that want their 15 minutes of fame, or the ones with their voices & photos distorted.

21 posted on 06/23/2012 4:20:15 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: panaxanax
"Whether found guilty or not guilty, there will be riots."

I respectfully disagree. The white folks (You know us soda crackers, honkies etc.) will be mad if he is found guilty but will be civil about it.
If found totally NOT GUILTY Sanford will burn baby burn, with the NON Reverends Al & Jessie leading the way.

22 posted on 06/23/2012 4:26:41 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: calex59
"This account is full of lies."

The biggest one that I forgot to mention was that Travon was such a sweet boy and such a good child.
He was a bad kid. He was in Sanford because he was expelled from school in Miami. He sold drugs, found with burglary tools and stolen items in his locker. He punched a school bus driver. This is just what is known no telling what all he really did.
Anything but a model child. . . .

23 posted on 06/23/2012 4:38:29 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The sad part is we have a GOP Governor and a GOP AG who support Black Racists like Al Sharpton.....this case should have never gone this far....and the Gov and AG can pull this case at any time

Also, my county is paying for this travesty....when our own State Atty correctly called this case early on...its not winnable. The only way the state can convict Zimmerman is to break the law themselves....which I am sure that Nazi Thug SA Angela Corey will try to do


24 posted on 06/23/2012 4:40:05 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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To: calex59

Stand your ground does not apply in the Zimmerman case. Its about a modern-created “duty” to retreat if you have that option when you have are threatened/attacked. Zimmerman could not retreat from his attacker knocked down with his back on the ground. Accordingly, any article like this that mentions it in the Zimmerman case is either an idiot author or more likely is pushing their own anti-individual self-defense, anti-gun agenda.


25 posted on 06/23/2012 4:41:18 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
*** This article came from a law firm in Florida. ***

That's why 'Pearson Hardman' only hires graduates of Harvard Law School. ;-)

26 posted on 06/23/2012 4:42:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: SkyPilot

Will the defense be able to introduce the information about the drink and skittles being part of a drug cocktail?


27 posted on 06/23/2012 4:44:34 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This thing had all of the basic earmarks and ingredients of a pit bull attack. A rational person who was pissed off enough would have decked Zimmerman and walked away and, likewise a German shepherd which thought Zimmerman needed biting for some reason would have bitten him on the ass or leg and then walked off. A pit bull on the other hand would have pressed the attack to the death and Martin, a quasi-trained MMA fighter whose brain appeared to be affected by next gen drugs, appeared to be doing just that as well.

This is about equality and about whether or not there are now supposed to be special/protected groups of people who we're not even allowed to defend ourselves against when one of them goes crazy and tries to kill us.

28 posted on 06/23/2012 4:47:54 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This law may derail the prosecution of defendant George Zimmerman in the much-publicized case of a neighborhood watch volunteer who shot and killed 6'2" teenager Trayvon Martin, who was on top of Zimmerman, bashing his head against the concrete

funny how the tone changes if you include a few facts

29 posted on 06/23/2012 4:52:20 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: varmintman

Bath Salts imported from Miami


30 posted on 06/23/2012 5:00:03 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: sheik yerbouty
They can rename the town Sanford & Son. maybe that will mollify the melanometricist mob.

That thar' is funny!

Love the word "melanometricist." Did you coin that? Are you a Zappa fan?

31 posted on 06/23/2012 5:06:12 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman ("Hope and Change" is PolitiSpeak for "New and Improved")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

You are correct, the statute does not use the word “feel” or “feels.” It says “reasonably believes.” In the law, the word “reasonable” is a signal that the belief is not measured by the actor’s sense of “reasonable,” but by the jury or judge (essentially, whether the public thinks such belief is reasonable under the circumstances).


32 posted on 06/23/2012 5:08:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: t1b8zs

I haven’t seen anything about bath salts in this case in print. Have you seen anything like that?


33 posted on 06/23/2012 5:08:32 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In fact, Zimmerman was not initially arrested by police at all for this very reason.

Right, and I would like to point out that it was after he talked to the prosecutor
against his attorneys advice and without his attorney, that charges were brought.
Imo, They did so because Zimmerman
was most likely seen as someone who would plea bargain his way out and the gun grabbers
could defame the stand your ground law and win one for socialism.

Also, his attorney left because of Zimmermans maneuver to speak to the police.
Maybe he would still be free, maybe not, had he followed the good advice of his Attorney.

OT.
Remember people, never talk to the police. Even if you're a witness don't do it.
As a witness a person should anon send the knowledge to the police and not directly
because if you get one thing wrong you can be arrested! Or if you know to much. Or if they think you know more!
Doing the right thing WILL get you arrested if the DA is having a bad day
or needs more prisoners to get re-elected.


In the past and portrayed on TV people feared retribution from those who they
witness crime against and would not speak to the police. Now the retribution should
be feared from both sides.

34 posted on 06/23/2012 5:08:48 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Gadsden1st
Good question. Why have we not heard the results of the toxicology testing?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I'll just cop a "lean" until we hear.

35 posted on 06/23/2012 5:13:11 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman ("Hope and Change" is PolitiSpeak for "New and Improved")
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To: Cboldt

Which would be a huge injustice if they mean pretending someone surprised by the unfolding of a dangerous situation with a split second to act upon his or her available information is supposed to choose as though having hours to ponder about it. Some statutes say “reasonable fear” which is a better metric IMHO.


36 posted on 06/23/2012 5:13:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Toxicology showed marijuana (THC). No telling if they tested for long term “lean” usage (ersatz i.e. Robitussin, or real i.e. codeine).


37 posted on 06/23/2012 5:16:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was watching Fox News and some commentators on the newly released video. There are some really brain-dead people. And George Zimmerman might be the unluckiest guy in America.

Some idiot was talking about how the video was “exhibit #1” in convicting Zimmerman. THe part of it that I saw, it exonerated him.

This is now all agenda driven. The truth in theis case is dead.


38 posted on 06/23/2012 5:21:28 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24

The actual legal case may well end up letting George Zimmerman go, but this is about ginning up a huge public uproar about it among the useful idiotz.


39 posted on 06/23/2012 5:27:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Godebert
Amazing. Thank you for that link.

I had read some of Trayvon's Facebook postings, but I don't "speak" Ebonics and I didn't understand what the term "Drank" meant.

As in "Purple Drank" and "Watermelon Drank."

Apparently, the little angel and martyr was making and using powerful drug cocktails.

This is an explosive revelation.

Where has our illustrious Media been on this?

I am sure that Andrea Mitchell, Al Sharpton, the Community Organizer, and Sheila Jackson Lee will get right on it.

40 posted on 06/23/2012 5:33:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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