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Doctors Despair Over Obamacare
Big Govt ^ | 7-1-12 | Wm Bigelow

Posted on 07/01/2012 6:31:52 PM PDT by Dysart

The Doctor Patient Medical Association Foundation conducted a faxed survey of random doctors in May 2012. In the survey, it is clearly delineated that the medical system as it is changing is discouraging doctors from practicing. 83% of the doctors said that current changes made them think about quitting, and 90% of them thought the path of the medical field currently was wrong.

They apparently feel that their Hippocratic oaths are being compromised; 61% of them feel that Hippocratic ethics are getting more difficult to practice, which is troubling, since one of the cardinal parts of the oath is the phrase “I will keep them from harm and injustice.”

85% of the doctors surveyed felt that the patient-physician relationship is declining. 37% of the doctors said they were just squeaking by, and 39% said things would get worse over the next five years.

The doctors were virtually unanimous that the government is at fault for medicine being on the wrong track, and feel that corporate medicine is trying to destroy private practice.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; despair; doctorshortage; hippocraticoath; obamacare
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1 posted on 07/01/2012 6:31:57 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: Dysart

If you think it’s bad now, just wait, it get’s worse. Free comes at a price.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 6:35:26 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Dysart
So where the heck were all these doctors when Obamacare was being debated? Their silence--and if I remember right, the AMA's approval--allowed Obamacare to become law.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 6:37:25 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Dysart
Socialist tyranny (Obamacare)= Command and Control Economy.

Command and Control Economy = Wage and Price Controls

Wage and Price Controls = Lower prices and suppliers going out of business because they are operating at a loss.

Suppliers going out of business = shortages

Socialist tyranny = shortages...EVERY TIME

In this case, Obamacare = shortages of health care professionals and supplies.

4 posted on 07/01/2012 6:40:07 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Dysart

Just great! If Doctors are in despair, just think how the patients are feeling. We are in for many years of despair.


5 posted on 07/01/2012 6:43:32 PM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: factoryrat

Obama’s idea of justice is when we are as miserable as North Korea.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 6:44:31 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Dysart

Corporate America thinks providing healthcare to workers as part of its benefits became to expensive over time. Someone in the healthcare system has to give. Drug corporations will not, health insurance corporations will not, hospital corporations will not, the lonely small business doctor will have to become a salaried worker. Main Street vs Corporate America and lobbyists made sure Corporate America comes out on top. Doctors you are lucky that you will still have a salary, blue collar and office workers had their jobs off shored. At least you did not end up in a service industry with 1/3 less pay.


7 posted on 07/01/2012 6:47:20 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Cinnamontea

There were plenty of Doctor’s voicing their opinions...but the MSM ignored anyone who didn’t join lockstep with them.


8 posted on 07/01/2012 6:50:22 PM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: Fee

Our healthcare problem in the US started when healthcare became tied to employment during WW2 as a result of govt wage controls.

As soon as we disconnected the payer from the service by inserting a third party, costs began to escalate.


9 posted on 07/01/2012 6:51:08 PM PDT by nascarnation
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10 posted on 07/01/2012 6:51:44 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

Clear-thinking doctors will quit. Young clear-thinking individuals will not go into medicine. Why bother? Good luck, Comrades. nobamacare = stay healthy or die.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 6:54:49 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Cinnamontea

The AMA represents all doctors about like the Liberal AARP represents all retired people. In other words, not at all.


12 posted on 07/01/2012 6:56:02 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Cinnamontea; Osage Orange
So where the heck were all these doctors when Obamacare was being debated?

I also remember that doctors were not silent. Many threatened to retire if Obamacare becomes law, and there was even some poll, IIRC, that proved that. However members of the public were shouted down by the likes of Pelosi. Input from below was not of interest; Obama and his henchmen were on a mission.

13 posted on 07/01/2012 6:57:55 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: hal ogen; All

14 posted on 07/01/2012 7:00:14 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Fee
the lonely small business doctor will have to become a salaried worker.

Not until the government builds a wall around America.

Doctors will just leave and go to a nation that allows 'em to make a good living.

While the doctor's pay plummets and their expenses skyrocket, the trial lawyers still have year round open season and no limits.

15 posted on 07/01/2012 7:00:34 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Cinnamontea
So where the heck were all these doctors when Obamacare was being debated? Their silence--and if I remember right, the AMA's approval--allowed Obamacare to become law.

Less than 30% of physicians are represented by the AMA. The AMA is a leftist racket stacked with entrenched academics and bureaucrats, not your avg doc out in the field actually practicing medicine. A world of difference.

16 posted on 07/01/2012 7:03:47 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yep...hubby and I have joked in the past about level A, B and C docs. The A docs will definitely retire or flee, as will most of the B docs...that will leave the remainder of the B docs and the C docs. Ouch.


17 posted on 07/01/2012 7:05:40 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: hal ogen
Clear-thinking doctors will quit. Young clear-thinking individuals will not go into medicine. Why bother? Good luck, Comrades. nobamacare = stay healthy or die.

Not to worry! We'll get new doctors with MD degrees from University of Granada, Nairobi Doctors' School, and Mama Josue's Medical School and Nail Salon in Haiti. And they'll all be direct employees of the Federal gubmint!

18 posted on 07/01/2012 7:13:50 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Dysart

This is going to be harsh, but so is reality.

The majority of stupid Americans who voted for obastard deserve to die horribly for lack of good medical care because of what they wrought on the rest of us.

Gimme gimme whiny ignorant Scum. That’s all they are.


19 posted on 07/01/2012 7:15:52 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Dysart
He's proud, but he's no overnight success story.

He is standing with one foot on FDR's shoulder for his wage and price controls that gave birth to health care as a benefit a way to get around them and and the other foot on Ted Kennedy's shoulder for giving us the HMO that obamacare then has to fix for us.

That's how they play...so, what comes next?

Is it time to go on offense yet or shall we keep playing clueless defense???

20 posted on 07/01/2012 7:16:41 PM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happening to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: piytar

Truth. I have told every thug on my FB page to delete me who supports this communism.


21 posted on 07/01/2012 7:17:20 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Dysart

I can’t wait to go to an office visit after Obamacare really goes into action in 2014. Naturally, my American trained doctor will have quit a few years earlier. The government payments he was getting were just too little to stay in practice, and he retired.

So now, I’m sitting in a clinic in a “bad” part of town with lots of welfare recipients and the like, waiting to get seen by a Dr. Singh from either India or Bangladesh. Of course, I’ve been waiting over 3 hours so far. The waiting room looks kind of dirty, too.

Yeah, it’s going to be great once Obamacare takes effect in 2014.


22 posted on 07/01/2012 7:20:47 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Cinnamontea

My neighbor was a pie eyed liberal new doctor in a local practice. On election night he had a party and sat around with his liberal buddies and talked about their brave new world. You could tell they had no idea what was coming. There was a teacher there and some grad students with me and the founder of the practice where he worked. At the end of the night I and the old doc were pissed and told them what this meant. They looked at us like we were stupid. About 2 months later this guys was cursing his decision. I have laughed at him every time Obama comes up. Some people are just too stupid.


23 posted on 07/01/2012 7:22:06 PM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: Fee

Good doctors will go offshore...the US is making the practice of medicine (at least the kind that is preventative or actually curative) exhorbitantly expensive. I know...my husband already had surgery for something in MEXICO because the FDA doesn’t yet allow it here, yet...they are just getting around to looking at it....(Europe and Canada do allow it also.) Obama care is just MEDICAID expanded to EVERYONE once the cost of medicine skyrockets because of shortages and rationing. And, Medicaid is bankrupt (paid for with tax revenues and the issueance of debtor bonds) Those who can afford it will go elsewhere...and get better care. CONGRESS is the PROBLEM here...they have screwed America with their “programs.”


24 posted on 07/01/2012 7:23:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: piytar

Death Panels are the liberal’s answer to the SocSec and Medicare financial implosion.

SocSec will work if we can get the life expectancy low enough.


25 posted on 07/01/2012 7:23:49 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: All

Anyone who has been in Congress over 20 years should be in jail for the PONZI SCHEMES they have foisted upon us.


26 posted on 07/01/2012 7:28:13 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: piytar
They know not what they have done.

They think it's free. They're confident that the govt will ensure they are provided only the best care for them. Remember that many of these people are young and have never been subjected to govt administered health care delivery such as Medicaid or Mediscare. So they have no frame of reference; just as they support the King even as they're mired in joblessness with little hope for a change. Go figure.

I'm less concerned about the escalating prices than I am about the degraded quality of care that's inevitable as demand skyrockets and scarcity of resources (and supply of providers) rears its ugly head, and no honest or informed person disagrees with that forecast.

27 posted on 07/01/2012 7:32:06 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: Jane Long
Yep, the wealthy in countries with national health care, get first class health care, even if they have to combine it with tourism.

We'll probably have to combine health care with tourism to continue to see our family doctor.

I can see it now, Medical Hotwire.com and Medical Hotels.com!

28 posted on 07/01/2012 7:33:25 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: goodnesswins
Anyone who has been in Congress over 20 years should be in jail for the PONZI SCHEMES they have foisted upon us.

Did we quit makin' rope in America?

29 posted on 07/01/2012 7:35:50 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Greysard
Practitioners were never asked for their opinions by the dummocraps. The bill was written by Soros think tank wonks in consultation with--among others--lefty doc academics. The AMA went along with it as did big pharma and AARP. They were all bought off.

I was an AMA member when Obamacare passed; I called the AMA that day and spoke to a young woman who was reading from a script. She followed up with a multi-page email (I wish I had saved it) with gobbledy-gook.

I cancelled my membership that day. As mad as I was with their stance on Oblahblah care, I was INCENSED about their beyond dreadful response to me.

Now their latest ploy (via emails that I still get) is that they are fighting O-care...yeccchhh.

30 posted on 07/01/2012 7:38:05 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Signalman
waiting to get seen by a Dr. Singh from either India or...

Do you have a problem with Indian doctors? Curious to know what that problem is.

31 posted on 07/01/2012 7:40:28 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Cinnamontea

most MD’s are not members of the AMA . it is now dominated by fmg’s


32 posted on 07/01/2012 7:46:55 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Dysart

You doctors are our bitches now. :)

/sarc


33 posted on 07/01/2012 7:50:00 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Dysart

for all of those who say Romney is the father of Obamacare, the MD’s of Mass were not pissed off by Romneycare.

also the people of Mass didn’t have their taxes raised to pay for all the other shit.
Hip replacement weren’t taxed, dividend taxes didn’t go up, selling your home never got a new tax etc.
actually the people of Mass are the most fucked by this new law. They got the good and will now get the bad.


34 posted on 07/01/2012 7:51:44 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Jane Long
Yep...hubby and I have joked in the past about level A, B and C docs. The A docs will definitely retire or flee, as will most of the B docs...that will leave the remainder of the B docs and the C docs. Ouch.

You're exactly right. And soon the "A" level doctors will be pretty much extinct, because who in their right mind would want to go through the extensive training & rigor and years of training, to become a top notch surgeon (brain, heart, pulmonary, general surgeon, etc).

Then where will the ultra rich go?

I live in Rochester, MN home of world famous Mayo Clinic. I remember once seeing a lavishly decked out Boeing 747 Royal Jordanian airliner that brought in King Hussein and 200 or so of family, servants, staff, etc. Often times the Kahler hotel will have entire floors blocked off to accomodate muzzies from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc.

Where are the mega rich muzzies going to go once the U.S. loses its top notch physicians & surgeons? I doubt they want to risk their healthcare by going to Canadian or British or French socialized medicine. Who knows, maybe the commie-muslim pig 0dumbo will start to roll back his deathcare once the rich fat cat muzzies start to complain and tell him to go back to the way it used to be!

35 posted on 07/01/2012 7:55:22 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Dysart

people are young and have never been subjected to govt administered health care delivery such as Medicaid or Mediscare....less concerned about the escalating prices than I am about the degraded quality of care that’s inevitable.

If we still had a draft, there would have been the experience of military socialized medicine. Having to call for limited appointments, poorly trained enlisted specialists. What made it viable was military discipline and pride. That won’t be part of socialized medicine.


36 posted on 07/01/2012 7:55:47 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: steve86

American educated doctors of Indian American background is different from Indians trained in India


37 posted on 07/01/2012 8:07:17 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Dysart

It got worse for me. My long time GP just quit his medical practice, and he’s still a long way from retirement.


38 posted on 07/01/2012 8:21:18 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: hecht
Yes there is a significant cultural difference but the Indian physicians that have graduated from American schools still form an alliances with other Indian physicians and only refer patients to Indian colleagues .

The US government has purposely discriminated against white males. The admissions departments of US medical schools focus on diversity as one of the top criteria for admission.

39 posted on 07/01/2012 8:21:52 PM PDT by pterional
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To: hecht

Indian medical schools were set up by the British. They teach classes in English. I have worked with many Indian docs and they are mostly good.

Not so with the Ay-rabs and ones from Pock-e-stahn.


40 posted on 07/01/2012 8:24:21 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: pterional

Indians are white.
Nevertheless its obscene that Americans have to go overseas i.e. St George etc while we take in FMG’s


41 posted on 07/01/2012 8:36:13 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: 43north

the is a medical term called PAN-Patel consultation.

I don’t think any other ethnic group has developed that stereotype.


42 posted on 07/01/2012 8:38:01 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: piytar

“This is going to be harsh, but so is reality.

The majority of stupid Americans who voted for obastard deserve to die horribly for lack of good medical care because of what they wrought on the rest of us.”

Let me be harsh with this reality.

Those who did not vote for Obama (and/or Dems) are going to also suffer and die for the lack of good medical care.


43 posted on 07/01/2012 8:38:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: sgtyork
If we still had a draft, there would have been the experience of military socialized medicine. Having to call for limited appointments, poorly trained enlisted specialists. What made it viable was military discipline and pride. That won’t be part of socialized medicine.

Those are excellent points I've not thought of myself or heard others make.

44 posted on 07/01/2012 8:39:12 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: 43north

they’re med schools still are the equivalent of our PA schools.
I agree with paki and arabs


45 posted on 07/01/2012 8:39:44 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: rcrngroup
Where are the mega rich muzzies going to go once the U.S. loses its top notch physicians & surgeons?

Can't believe Daddy Big Bucks oil Sheekie hasn't financed a top notch clinic with all the bells and whistles, and high priced clinicians, in the sheekdom.

46 posted on 07/01/2012 8:50:58 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

Where we will need to go for top notch medicine!


47 posted on 07/01/2012 8:51:55 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Fee
I've worked with many MDs who simply dropped the practice of medicine and turned to a life of software engineering. The business costs writing software are less than practicing medicine. In many cases, the cash flow is better. Most doctors are smart enough to make the transition.
48 posted on 07/01/2012 9:11:05 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: FreedomPoster

Something like 15-20% isn’t it? About like the ABA. But they are leftist and the loudest megaphones in their respective industries, so they have the influence.


49 posted on 07/01/2012 9:25:03 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Dysart; All
I highly recommend you read A Surgeon Cuts to the Heart of the ObamaCare Nightmare by Stella Paul over at American Thinker. It'll make you even more depressed than this article.
50 posted on 07/01/2012 9:42:45 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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