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Posted on 07/04/2012 8:02:25 AM PDT by formerlyfree
I was in a conversation with some liberal friends who were celebrating the Supreme Court Decision. They were happy that Obama was so smart, a former constitutional law teacher, etc. I commented that I was uncomfortable with the deceitful way that it came about. When they took offense, I mentioned that Obama was smart, a constitutional law teacher, etc, he KNEW all along that this would pass as a tax, and ARGUED that it WAS a tax in front of the Supreme Court. And THAT argument won!
To me, this is his "Read My Lips" moment. He is on tape everywhere denying that he thinks it is a tax, all the while planning to ARGUE in front of the Supreme Court that it was.
If this issue can make the difference between 0bama getting reelected and Romney wining, then we are already guaranteed a second term.
Romney ought to just admit that Romneycare mandate is a tax ,too. On the state website it’s called a “tax penalty.” I don’t know how he packaged it at the time; there’s no commerce clause in the Massachusetts constitution I’m sure, so Roberts’ ruling is clarifying for him also. But then you get to the real distinction between Obamacare and Romneycare. Liberal states like Massachusetts can claim the “consent of the governed” in implementing it. There is demonstrably no “consent of the governed” for Obamacare.
How did they respond?? Was anyone convinced??
We have zero chance of holding on to America unless we stop treating politicians like rock stars and celebrities. They are among the least talented people in society.
You’re never going to convince that type, you just want to shut them up.
Shouldn’t the question be “why do I still hang out with my LIBTARD friends”?
Oh, great, a noob signs up today and the first thing they do is post a stupid vanity!
Twisting words beyond meaning is a way for Roberts to prove he is growing in office.
It also proves that liberalism promotes the rule of whim, not the rule of law.
You say tomayto
I say tomahto
WHO CARES WHAT IT’S CALLED??????????????????
My Gawd! The most egregious power-grab in American history and all people want to do is bicker over semantics. And we wonder why we’re f-ed.
Libtard FRIENDS???? Impossible.
Obama doesn’t know crap about the Constitution, he is an affirmative action poster boy, and that is all. The premise that he is “so smart” is laughable. If it were not laughable we would have access to his school records and especially his LSAT’s. He is the only prez of the Harvard Law Review that never published anything. Obama is simply a corrupt moron who has access to smart people who want to use him to destroy this country.
The ONLY reason the mandate was found Constitutional is because of pressure applied to a very weak willed John Roberts, had that pressure not been applied the mandate, and Obamacare, would now be dead. Your lib friends are morons as well, but that is stating the obvious.
National health care followed the same pattern. They called it affordable health care. Now the Supreme Court, like it or not, has ruled it a tax (actually one of 20 such legislated Obamacare taxes).
Just like Social Security it will be collected and enforced by IRS.
You do not know it yet, but you will pay by payroll deductions for the health plan your employer enrolls you in AND you will pay the taxes for Obama's commie-care.
Democrats, we told you so!
You have liberal friends? Man, you must be a forgiving person.
Is Obama accountable to anyone? It seems he has the nerve to do what he pleases and lies whenever he wishes. There are no checks and balances.
It is my understanding that Romney is calling the Romneycare mandate a tax or "tax penalty" which is a synonymous term.
I know from experience that when I go and file my income taxes, I have to provide my tax preparer with proof that I have health insurance in order to avoid having to pay the tax penalty. Apart from that, however, I don't have to do anything else and since I have always had health insurance, my life has not changed significantly on account of Romneycare.
And let me tell you how Romney packaged it.
Unlike Barack Obama, Mitt Romney did not campaign on "Romneycare" when he was running for the office of Governor of Massachusetts. It was after he was duly elected Governor that Mitt Romney was more or less "blackmailed" into signing "Romneycare" into law when the Federal Government threatened to cut $385 million of Medicaid funding if the state of Massachusetts did not reduce the number of uninsured recipients of health care services.
Moreover, if "Romneycare" is not presently the exact piece of legislation Mitt Romney originally signed into law, it needs to be pointed out that Mitt Romney had to deal with a Democrat-controlled state legislature which overrode many of Mitt Romney's anti-"pork" vetoes.
Although he had not campaigned on the idea of universal health insurance, Romney decided, in the wake of the threatened funding cut by the Feds, that because people without insurance still received expensive health care, the money spent by the state for such care could be better used to subsidize insurance for the poor and prevent our state's hospitals - and possibly even the state of Massachusetts - from going bankrupt.
After insisting that any measure adopted not raise taxes ( except for the penalty tax )and not resemble the infamous "Hillarycare" farce of the 1990's, Romney formed a team of consultants from diverse political backgrounds.
On April 12, 2006, the governor signed the resulting Massachusetts health reform law, commonly called "Romneycare", which requires nearly all Massachusetts residents to buy health insurance coverage or face escalating tax penalties, such as the loss of their personal income tax exemption.
To sum up, the essential differences between Romneycare and the Obamatax is this; namely that Romneycare merely sought to get citizens here in Massachusetts insured so that our hospitals wouldn't go bankrupt providing expensive healthcare to uninsured recipients - especially if a threatened Medicaid cut were implemented by the Federal Government.
Romneycare never envisioned a government takeover and control of 1/6 of our state's economy as Obamatax envisions a government takeover and control of 1/6 of our nation's economy.
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