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Rove, Romney and the GOP-e set out to destroy the tea party, and they are succeeding
July 14, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/14/2012 4:44:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Rove, Romney and the GOP-e loathe pro-life Reagan conservatism, loathe the small government tea party and set out to destroy them both. I hate to admit it, but they are succeeding.

As I see staunch pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots folding their small government tents in favor of Romney's GOP-e progressive, big government big tent, I can't help but see not only the end of the tea party, but the end of pro-life, pro-liberty conservatism within the Republican party. And if we cannot quickly recover, the end of liberty in America. America's great experiment in self-government by believers in life and liberty destroyed, not by the liberal progressive statists of the Democrat party, but by the liberal progressive statists of the Republican party. Where the statist Democrats have failed, the statist GOP-e will have succeeded.

There is absolutely no doubt that Romney's pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-socialist healthcare, statist big government record is identical to Obama's. Once upon a time in the not so distant past, conservatives automatically shunned big government statists. The GOP-e and the malignant genius, Karl Rove, figured out how to outflank us and turn the GOP totally against Reagan conservatism and against pro-Life, pro-family, pro-small government conservatives. It's an engineered coup d'etat against traditional small government conservatism and it is deadly.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

The fear of Obama has turned many among us into squishes who will set the pro-life conservative movement back forty years or more by surrendering to the abortionist/homosexualist, statist progressive, big government, corrupt crony capitalist agenda within the GOP.

We should not fear Obama to the point we elect an overstepping statist just like him, we should be determined to impeach his usurping treasonous ass! We should shun the Gop-e, shun Karl Rove, shun Romney, shun all of the big government, big tent, RINOS who have taken over the GOP. Rather than surrendering to the big government forces, we should be working full-time to elect pro-life, pro-small government conservatives into the majority of elective offices throughout this great land. If ever there was a time for pro-life conservatives and tea party patriots to stand their ground, it is NOW!! SURRENDER TO STATISM? NUTS!!

With conservative majorities in the legislative branches of the federal government and in the majority of all state and local governments, we can impeach and remove or expel the traitors amongst us from their executive posts, their high benches or their legislative seats and reclaim our Liberty!!

I am shocked by the number of supposedly pro-life conservatives who would promote these abortionist/homosexualist statists and dismayed that so many tea party patriots would fold their tents. Romney is the natural biological father of the big government unconstitutional statist RomneyCare/ObamaCare program that was the spark that ignited the tea party. And now the tea party sadly seems to be on the brink of surrendering to him before the fight has even begun.

Not me. I stand firm for Life and Liberty!! No Obama!! No Romney!! NOT ON MY WATCH!!


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1 posted on 07/14/2012 4:44:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen


2 posted on 07/14/2012 4:46:36 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed!

And when Republicans nominate some like Paul LaPage, they win elections. After 2010, the state house, state senate, and governor went Republican. Also, in Maine there is no Lt. Governor. There are no state-wide state elections for anyone but the governor. All the other administration postitions such as Secretary of State are appointed by the combined membership of the state house and senate. Whichever party holds 50% +1 of the total house and senate membership, that part select all the state-wide offices.
All Republicans now!
Jim is right, Rush is right when we nominate conservative
tea part types we win elections!!


3 posted on 07/14/2012 4:50:28 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: RaisingCain

Well, one of them WILL be president for the next four years, the only question is which one. There are no other feasible options. For me, the choice, though sub-optimal, is crystal clear.


4 posted on 07/14/2012 4:50:41 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: Jim Robinson

Count me among those who stand for Life and Liberty...


5 posted on 07/14/2012 4:52:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Jim Robinson
Rush Limbaugh nailed it back in December but have no fear, the tea party still lives in plenty of hearts and will spring to bloom no matter who wins in November.

Rush Goes On the Record with Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren

Here's the big problem, Greta, for the Republicans. And I am a lone wolf on this. The rule of thumb in elections, both parties, 40 percent are going to vote Democrat automatically, whatever you do, 40 percent are going to vote Republican, automatic, no matter what you do. And in the middle, who do we have? The precious, God love them, independents and the moderates. And they are the targets. They are the focus of every election. And our brilliant campaign consultants tell our candidates they are the ones that know how to go get a majority of those independents. And we have, as Republicans, put ourselves in prison to this whole silly notion that you only win elections by moving to the center and getting great independents. Fine and dandy, but if you squander your base in the process, you haven't a prayer.

The Republican Party is trying to do something in this primary that is unprecedented. They're trying to split the conservative vote and win the primary with a moderate, with Romney. It's the other way around. You consolidate your base and then you move to the center in the general. The Republican establishment has decided they don't want any part of conservatism. And this is really not new. People are surprised to hear this, but the Republican Party formative event with conservatism is Goldwater's landslide defeat. That's what they think of when they think conservative. They don't think Reagan. They think Goldwater.

They believe what the inside-the-Beltway philosophy is about conservatives. They're racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, Southern hayseed hicks. They're pro-lifers. They're embarrassing to have to go to the convention with them. And they're just embarrassed to have those kind of people in the party. They're dumb. They're not erudite. They're not educated in Ivy League schools. We'll take their votes on election day, but we really don't want to hang around with them. We don't want anybody in Washington thinking that we're really that close to them and aligned with them. So in the process -- you know, it's a very sophisticated electorate. The Republican primary voter can sense that the Republican Party really doesn't like them, really doesn't want them, thinks that they are the route to defeat. That's the problem in a nutshell. The Republican establishment thinks that a conservative nominee is the route to defeat because they think Goldwater landslides are going to happen because they believe what the popular misconception the left has created of conservatives -- they think everybody thinks that.

6 posted on 07/14/2012 4:52:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: JustTheTruth

“Well, one of them WILL be president for the next four years, the only question is which one. There are no other feasible options. For me, the choice, though sub-optimal, is crystal clear.”


Why whore yourself to Babylon? There is no real difference between Obozo or Mittens winning. It’s not our fight. We lost when Mittens won. The only fight left is for the senate, the house, and for the soul of the country, which our enemies, who are many and in high places, will oppose us with all their strength.


7 posted on 07/14/2012 4:53:27 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve been trying to keep my mouth shut lately because I’ve grown tired of the RomneyBot attacks that come whenever I indicate my reluctance to vote for their boy. I can’t help myself though, when I see others getting attacked by the surrender monkeys.


8 posted on 07/14/2012 4:54:37 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Jim Robinson
Rove, Romney and the GOP-e set out to destroy the tea party, and they are succeeding

OVER MY DEAD BODY!

Best scenario I can see is that Romney gets elected along with a majority in the House and Seante. THEN the Tea Party (and FR) has to REALLY kick into gear and make him aware that if he doesn't hold to the CONSERVATIVE AGENDA he will be OUT!

I'm afraid too many will sit back and think "Oh, everything is cool, there's a "R" in the White House."

They'll sit back and in 2014 the socialists will sweep in followed by a total takeover in 2016.

BTW, Have to wait until next weekend (because I had to spend a FORTUNE for the steering gear for my Durango, LOL!) but another donation is on the way!

9 posted on 07/14/2012 4:55:05 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Jim Robinson
No Obama!! No Romney!! NOT ON MY WATCH!!

Nor mine, Jim. If this the hill on which we die, it's a good place.

10 posted on 07/14/2012 4:58:33 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s one or the other. I am certainly not pro-Obama. I will vote for Romney. I do not believe Romney is a muslim communist. Why undermine the candidate who is running against a muslim communist? What do we gain by that approach?


11 posted on 07/14/2012 4:59:19 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Jim Robinson
No Obama!! No Romney!! NOT ON MY WATCH!!

Well Jim, it is going to be one or the other, no matter how much we might wish otherwise.

12 posted on 07/14/2012 4:59:39 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Jim Robinson

One of your very best call to arms. Please continue with the rallying cries. I for one am inspired by your messages and have received guidance and understanding because of your efforts and this forum for many years.

Take care, your friend, John Smythe


13 posted on 07/14/2012 4:59:51 PM PDT by UncleSam (Why must someone else always make the final decisions?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I think it’s worth asking whether it really is too late to put a conservative on the ballot for president. Look, we all KNOW that O-Zero’s attacks on Romney are complete BS. But Romney has shown he isn’t able to stand up to it. He looks weak and defensive. So, maybe this is an opening for us.

Romney cannot really just drop out of the race. That would be insane. But he could be asked to let the convention make the call about whether he should move forward. Conservatives could ask him to release his delegates to vote their consciences.

If those delegates still want him on the ticket and he gets the votes, then good for him (I guess). But opening the convention would provide an opportunity to really debate the direction of the Republican Party and maybe ... just MAYBE... allow a conservative/ Tea Party/ Constitutionalist/ patriotic/ Christian / non-socialist / free-market insurgency to gain control.


14 posted on 07/14/2012 5:01:46 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: RaisingCain

“Why whore yourself to Babylon? There is no real difference between Obozo or Mittens winning. It’s not our fight. We lost when Mittens won. The only fight left is for the senate, the house, and for the soul of the country, which our enemies, who are many and in high places, will oppose us with all their strength.”

Well said Sir. Well said. Our fight is over at least where the presidency is concerned.


15 posted on 07/14/2012 5:02:40 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: COBOL2Java

Just be sure to vote in those house and senate races as if they were the most important races in the world. They just might be.

If people want to vote for Romney, more power to them but I’m not going to.


16 posted on 07/14/2012 5:04:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jim Robinson
The TEA Party was never intended to be about abortion, homosexuality, etc. It's strength was that people who think we are Taxed Enough Already could unite around the issues of taxes, debt, and spending, regardless of where they stand on social issues. A lot of it's initial support came from independents aren't necessarily “conservatively correct” on every issue. If you try to make it about all things conservative, it will just be another conservative group, preaching to the choir. Then it really will be done as a political force.
17 posted on 07/14/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Jim Robinson
I must disagree

TeaParty candidates are winning in the primaries.

Cruz is going to win his primary, a huge upset.

We have knocked off quite a few RINO's.

The GOP is getting the message and if they don't, a new Party will emerge.

18 posted on 07/14/2012 5:05:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Jim Robinson

Interestingly enough, the British are having the same problem with their tories.


19 posted on 07/14/2012 5:06:13 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Not me. I stand firm for Life and Liberty!! No Obama!! No Romney!!


20 posted on 07/14/2012 5:07:47 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

That sounds good, but one of them will be elected, no matter what you do.


21 posted on 07/14/2012 5:08:07 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m voting for Romney.


22 posted on 07/14/2012 5:09:41 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Jim Robinson

It does appear surreal at times. Seemingly every issue (from small, Constitutional-based goverment to supporting traditional American values) that caused me to passionately gravitate and allign myself with the Republican Party back during the Reagan era has, in the past few years, been systematically squeezed out of the GOP, which has now morphed into some kind of amoral, big-tent, power-mad, ersatz Democrat Party.

Good grief, Karl Rove was actually out and about a few weeks ago promoting government subsidies for wind farms! Add to that “Republicans” on record who support hairbrained things from cap-and-trade to homo marriage, and a nominee who inflicted Romneycare on his state. The GOP has really turned rancid. I’m open to a third-party for the first time in my voting life. Never would have predicted this a few years ago.


23 posted on 07/14/2012 5:11:09 PM PDT by greene66
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To: cripplecreek
If people want to vote for Romney, more power to them but I’m not going to.

Same for me.
24 posted on 07/14/2012 5:14:00 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

So you prefer Obama?


25 posted on 07/14/2012 5:15:18 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: JustTheTruth

“Well, one of them WILL be president for the next four years, the only question is which one.”

What if the Tea Party descends on the convention in great numbers, and—despite their respect for the police—simply refuses to be kept out?

What if the Tea Party barges in and simply insists on someone other than Romney, even if that means forcibly ejecting most of the official delegates?

What if the Tea Party actually sacks up and does something effective? What if conservatives insist upon being taken seriously by the only means there are—putting their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor on the line?

Are you ready to get your head busted, get thrown in jail, perhaps even give your life to change the course of history at this moment? You know, sort of like the men who conducted the original Boston Tea Party.

In my view, nothing less will do.


26 posted on 07/14/2012 5:16:48 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Hugin
"The TEA Party was never intended to be about abortion, homosexuality, etc. It's strength was that people who think we are Taxed Enough Already could unite around the issues of taxes, debt, and spending, regardless of where they stand on social issues. A lot of it's initial support came from independents aren't necessarily “conservatively correct” on every issue. If you try to make it about all things conservative, it will just be another conservative group, preaching to the choir. Then it really will be done as a political force."

Outstanding comment!

 

27 posted on 07/14/2012 5:16:48 PM PDT by UncleSam (Why must someone else always make the final decisions?)
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To: Hugin
The social issues take care of themselves when the tax rate is 9% of GDP (with a fully funded Military).

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TEA Party

28 posted on 07/14/2012 5:17:32 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja
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To: Hugin

I won’t vote for him, either. I don’t vote for socialists.


29 posted on 07/14/2012 5:18:53 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: fortheDeclaration

Then so be it. I’ll support conservatism. However, if enough conservatives were determined to do the same, the result might be different.

That will be what YOU do.


30 posted on 07/14/2012 5:20:19 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The GOP-e has done nothing but shun conservatives and engineer a RINOmney victory based on the mushy middle, sheeple and disaffected Dems. So be it, If they don't need my vote then I plan on cooperating and using it elsewhere.

I sure wish Romney would fight Obama as hard as he fought conservatism in the primaries. Just sayin'.

31 posted on 07/14/2012 5:28:02 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

There are really only three ways to go.

1. Obama as president will be better for the country than Romney.

2. Romney as president will be better for the country than Obama.

3. Both will be rxactly the same on every issue, absolutely no difference, so I don’t care.

IMHO if you beleive #1 or #3 you are delusional, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.


32 posted on 07/14/2012 5:28:15 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: unkus
Three choices - vote for Obama, or Romney, or neither.

IMO two of these choices help Obama to varying degrees.

I will not help the sonufabitch.

33 posted on 07/14/2012 5:30:25 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Hugin

“The TEA Party was never intended to be about abortion, homosexuality, etc. It’s strength was that people who think we are Taxed Enough Already could unite around the issues of taxes, debt, and spending, regardless of where they stand on social issues.”

To be consistent, the conservative world view *must* encompass the the so-called social issues—those things that used to be called morality.

If we have a right to be free from excessive taxation, that right must have a source. For the Founding Fathers, that source was our Creator. If we have a Creator who endows us with unalienable rights, rights that precede and supersede government, then it is also incumbent upon us to take seriously what that Creator has told us about His nature, and about the nature of good and evil.

If we say, “Yes, I will accept the Creator’s gift of unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property, but I will scorn Him when He tells me that adultery is bad for me,” then our world view is not consistent.


34 posted on 07/14/2012 5:32:34 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

The Conservative Party in the U.K. is farcical. There’s very little “conservative” about them, aside from their name.

I read the British press quite a bit; the United Kingdom Independence Party seems to get bandied about, on the Telegraph and the Daily Mail.

As for myself (I vote permanent absentee through Washington state), I’m voting downticket. For President, I’m writing-in for Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep for VP.

Obama? Romney? Meh. Flip sides of the same coin. And please, don’t start up with the “Obama’s gonna gas all conservatives if he gets re-elected!” or “Obama’s gonna throw conservatives in concentration camps!” Please. Step away from the Alex Jones and Jeff Rense websites. I heard the same twaddle during the Clinton years, and guess what.......he didn’t. I even remember the other side singing the same siren song of crap when W was POTUS.

Obama will be out, either in 2013 (hopefully) or 2017. And yes, the USA will survive even his colossal incompetence. There are no laws that cannot be undone, no constitutional amendments that cannot be repealed.

I get the feeling that if Obama gets re-elected this fall, a lot of folks are going to be needing some serious psychiatric help shortly thereafter.


35 posted on 07/14/2012 5:33:46 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jim Robinson

And this is a surprise to who?


36 posted on 07/14/2012 5:34:34 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Hugin

Pretty much sums it up right there.


37 posted on 07/14/2012 5:35:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Oddly enough, I’ll wager that Romney, if he is elected, will employ jihad against conservatives in the Republican Party.


38 posted on 07/14/2012 5:37:06 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Oh, and I should hasten to add that the comments about “step away from the Alex Jones.......etc” were not directed at YOU, personally.

Just a general statement regarding some of the hysterics I’ve seen online lately about how the world is gonna end if Obama pulls off re-election.

So, please don’t read that as an attack or insult directed at you.


39 posted on 07/14/2012 5:38:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jim Robinson
No disagreement here, but does that mean it's time? Time to make a third party happen? I'm one of the last holdouts among the constitutional conservatives I know, I've been holding on the concept of "fixing" the GOP from the inside, I believe the critical mass necessary to make a third party work is not there and that the very idea is so severely handicapped by the system as to make it almost impossible (almost), but I've also said that at some point, there is no other choice.

Are we now there?

40 posted on 07/14/2012 5:38:46 PM PDT by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: Hugin

“IMHO if you beleive #1 or #3 you are delusional, but everyone is entitled to their opinion”

I agree with you. This “all or nothing” stuff ain’t going to work. Sorry Jim.....


41 posted on 07/14/2012 5:38:47 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well the way I (and most other conservatives) see it, the real destroyers are Obama and the rest of the democrat party.


42 posted on 07/14/2012 5:41:58 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: Jim Robinson

General elections are a choice between the candidates that can win. In our 2 party system, that means one of two candidates will be elected. Romney or Obama. That’s it. Your vote isn’t an affirmative endorsement of anything, it is simply a choice between 2 options. Nothing more than that. Romney is vastly better than Obama. Period. Willard may turn out to be the squishy RINO we all suspect he is, and he will STILL be better than Obama. Our chance to create a different set of options failed. The next chance to do that on the presidential level will be 2016.


43 posted on 07/14/2012 5:42:12 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: jjotto

That wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

I see it more like the way in which Stalin purged the CPSU. First, he turned against the Left (Trotsky) then the Right (Bukharin, et al) and ultimately consolidated his power completely.

You know, I was pondering that if Romney REALLY DID nominate Rice as his VP, it could be that his strategy would be to try to win without the GOP base.

Difficult? Extremely.

Impossible? Nothing is impossible.

If he pulled that off, he would demonstrate that the GOP no longer needs to its traditional base to achieve victory. A new electoral paradigm.


44 posted on 07/14/2012 5:42:40 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Just a general statement regarding some of the hysterics I’ve seen online lately about how the world is gonna end if Obama pulls off re-election.

Someone had better tell the Kenyan Klown, because he thinks he can remake the USA in his own image. And from where I sit if he's not actully burning it down its a damn good facsimile.

45 posted on 07/14/2012 5:42:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Three choices - vote for Obama, or Romney, or neither.
IMO two of these choices help Obama to varying degrees.

I will not help the sonufabitch.


I’m not helping an avowed Marxist and enemy of my country named Barack hussein Obama, either.

In fact I’m going to send Romney the money I was going to contribute to Free republic.

Moderator: Close my Free Republic account.


46 posted on 07/14/2012 5:43:59 PM PDT by unkus
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To: unkus

Take a week off instead. FRiend.


47 posted on 07/14/2012 5:46:10 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Hugin

I hope your clear headed post doesn’t get lost in the fervor.


48 posted on 07/14/2012 5:51:35 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: JustTheTruth

You you are going to give up and vote for one of the liberals, seems that what this thread is about - those conservatives who have given up, surrendered.
Not me - no way - no how - no more liberals.


49 posted on 07/14/2012 5:51:50 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: dsc

The question is.... are you? Got your hotel reservation? Plane reservation? Is this real action you’re ready (and actually preparing) to undertake, or just internet talk?


50 posted on 07/14/2012 5:52:21 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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