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The Solution to the Problem of Mass Murderers.
Free Republic Original Content | July 22, 2012 | by Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 07/22/2012 10:22:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz

It is often noticed that motivation of the grinning psychopaths that open up on unarmed citizens is to be remembered in history.

It appears they have no concern for what punishment lies before them, even the threat of death -- then, or issued as a penalty -- is not enough to deter them, They only seem to want the fame.

What is the solution, then? Gun control is the answer the liberals come up with. Gun control, however, will not stop the grinning psychopath. They will find other ways. Chemicals can be bought and explosives made. Gasoline and proper placement of the fire can trap many dozens. A sword or machete can be used to kill more than a dozen trapped people, and they can be easily fashioned from strips of metal.

Further, let us consider that harming the rights of millions to stop the one or two a year that act out like this, is no solution. It is 'prior restraint', and it is not to be allowed in America.

So what is the solution?

Go to the grinning psychopaths' motivation. Deny them their place in history. Erase their name.

This idea was spawned by the movie '300', in which Xerxes threatens Leonides with annihilation, and banishment from history:

Xerxes, clearly enraged: "There will be no glory in your sacrifice. I will erase even the memory of Sparta from the histories. Every piece of Greek parchment shall be burned. Every Greek historian and every scribe shall have their eyes put out......and their tongues cut from their mouths. Why, uttering the very name of Sparta or Leonidas will be punishable by death! The world will never know you existed at all!!"

Do this punishment for these mass shooters, these grinning psychopaths. The minute their name is known, DO NOT announce it on the news. Refer to them only as Suspect Number (whatever). DO NOT record their name in history books or on Wikipedia or anywhere on the internet.

Banish them to obscurity. Forever.

This will require a great deal of restraint and a truly disciplined society, at least where this is concerned. The news media will need to cooperate. The police will need to cooperate. The good researchers on the internet will need to cooperate. The name will undoubtedly leak out, but if it does, even the common man will need to cooperate and not spread it further.

Deny them their place in history. Refer to them only as Suspect Number (whatever the number happens to be).

Will it stop them all? No. But it will stop a few... quite a few, I suspect.


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1 posted on 07/22/2012 10:22:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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Not so disturbing, or funny, this time. Rather a decent idea, I think.

2 posted on 07/22/2012 10:24:50 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

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3 posted on 07/22/2012 10:26:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz
It's an old idea.

One of the seven wonders of the ancient world was the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus. It was burned by Herostratus in 356 BC simply because he wanted to be famous. As punishment, the city decided to wipe out Herstratus' name. No one would ever know that Herostratus was the arsonist who burned down the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus.

Apparently, this sort of deletion is harder than it looks.

4 posted on 07/22/2012 10:26:46 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Lazamataz

The date (20th of the month), the location, and the M.O. bear such striking similarities to Columbine that it is highly probably that this evil man was hoping to acheive a higher body count than the Columbine pair.

He did not.

He will get a needle in his arm knowing that he was a “failure”.

Almost perfect justice.

Perfect justice would be total obscurity.


5 posted on 07/22/2012 10:26:52 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It is hard. But it can happen. Or, give the wrong name, so many more iterations of Doug Witherspoon appear on the internet, and in the books, perhaps, than Jarod Loughner.

It's hard, but boy would it take the air out of their tires.

6 posted on 07/22/2012 10:29:46 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

A chipper shredder, feet first, televised to all would probably be a better deterrent.


7 posted on 07/22/2012 10:30:09 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Lazamataz
by Laz A. Mataz

Mr. Mataz, the pupose of this post is to bookmark it for tomorrow and read the subsequent comments....can't wait!

Have a great night all!

8 posted on 07/22/2012 10:35:23 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Lazamataz

I like the idea as a conceptual theory, but unfortunately, society doesn’t cooperate in such an ideal way.

The problem is this could unite the psychopaths into an underground clique who feed off each other’s legends. There will always be groups keeping these names and acquaintances revealing information. When 99% of society complies, the 1% band together to keep these legends(sic) alive and instead of being painted as just a nutjob, they now achieve a darker, mysterious, legendary status among others of like mind.


9 posted on 07/22/2012 10:35:25 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: going hot

They don’t care. They only care about being famous. Well, INfamous, actually.


10 posted on 07/22/2012 10:35:33 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

A Xerxes tyrannical enough to enforce this would not be tolerated today for other reasons, but a society stern enough to be united in the shaming would be helpful.

Ya know, when Barack Obama and Jay Carney were making a big deal about not mentioning the shooter’s name, they could have suggested it. You can bet the MSM would immediately kowtow. It would be maybe the best thing Barack Obama had done in his entire sorry loser career.


11 posted on 07/22/2012 10:36:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Lazamataz
I mentioned “Demon” as a substitute for his name or anything synonymous such as “young man” which was an early account.
12 posted on 07/22/2012 10:37:07 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Lazamataz
I mentioned “Demon” as a substitute for his name or anything synonymous such as “young man” which was an early account.
13 posted on 07/22/2012 10:37:20 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: mnehring
I like the idea as a conceptual theory, but unfortunately, society doesn’t cooperate in such an ideal way. The problem is this could unite the psychopaths into an underground clique who feed off each other’s legends. There will always be groups keeping these names and acquaintances revealing information. When 99% of society complies, the 1% band together to keep these legends(sic) alive and instead of being painted as just a nutjob, they now achieve a darker, mysterious, legendary status among others of like mind.

Well stated.

Then make it a crime. A serious one, that is prosecuted. "Stating The Name Of The Banished, First Degree, Felony".

14 posted on 07/22/2012 10:39:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Another problem I have with this is that the psychopaths would have succeeded in changing society.

From an open and free society, we now have a society whose justice system extends to not only punishing the guilty, but controlling what the rest of society speaks of the crime.

Imagine the control needed to accomplish this.


15 posted on 07/22/2012 10:39:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Ya know, when Barack Obama and Jay Carney were making a big deal about not mentioning the shooter’s name, they could have suggested it. You can bet the MSM would immediately kowtow. It would be maybe the best thing Barack Obama had done in his entire sorry loser career.

It would go a long way towards giving Barack a (slightly more) positive legacy.

16 posted on 07/22/2012 10:40:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Which wouldn’t fly in a land with a modern First Amendment, of course.

But it’s almost as good if major news organizations would do it voluntarily. And Barack Obama is in about as good a place as anybody to ask for it. How about it Barack. Do something classy for once.


17 posted on 07/22/2012 10:40:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Lazamataz
Best solution- get the cops out of their cars and walk their neighborhood beats-

Get the cops to know the people and the cops will find out who the schizo`s are really quick coz the neighbors will tell them who the strange freako`s are...

That`s what we do here plus we all have guns here and the cops know it and RESPECT US coz most of have shot a gun since we were 6...

18 posted on 07/22/2012 10:41:50 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (cops on the beat??? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: Lazamataz
Then make it a crime. A serious one, that is prosecuted. "Stating The Name Of The Banished, First Degree, Felony".

What we need would be something like librarians who erase or correct all the media and books, removing these blemishes. It wouldn't just be the crime, but the cleansing of all references.

Of course, to stop all whispers, there must be total observation and control. Everyone has TV's. Maybe something where the TV not only gives you information, but monitors you don't say the wrong words.

This is all sounding very familiar.

19 posted on 07/22/2012 10:42:08 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lazamataz; All
Laz, did anyone ever find out if it was the perp or misinformation that the name mohammad something or other from iran surfaced early. Rumor was the perp first gave this as his name. Was this rumor ever confirmed?

Although a good idea, your is, I have doubts any of us are that disciplined.

20 posted on 07/22/2012 10:42:32 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Lazamataz
Best solution- get the cops out of their cars and walk their neighborhood beats-

Get the cops to know the people and the cops will find out who the schizo`s are really quick coz the neighbors will tell them who the strange freako`s are...

That`s what we do here plus we all have guns here and the cops know it and RESPECT US coz most of have shot a gun since we were 6...

21 posted on 07/22/2012 10:42:40 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (cops on the beat??? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: Lazamataz

Do we do this before or after we tar and feather them, hang them, draw and quarter them, set the pieces on fire and let everyone piss on the remains?


22 posted on 07/22/2012 10:44:11 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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To: mnehring

This is true. A voluntary news oblivion would be the best we could hope. How about it Barack. Tell your lapdogs to do their tricks.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 10:44:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: mnehring

What about the idea of criminalizing it... not the details, not even the photo, just the mention of the name. A court order slapped on name mention right away, and contempt of court misdemeanor if violated.... promoted to a felony mention charge if mentioned after conviction.


24 posted on 07/22/2012 10:44:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz
The minute their name is known, DO NOT announce it on the news. Refer to them only as Suspect Number (whatever). DO NOT record their name in history books or on Wikipedia or anywhere on the internet.

You're dreaming or on drugs. It might be affecting your neurological sensors and differential. Please stop abusing yourself.

25 posted on 07/22/2012 10:44:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lazamataz

You know how the Roman gods died?

They were ignored by their people day after day, everyday until one day they were irrelevant and no longer remembered...


26 posted on 07/22/2012 10:44:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: mnehring; Lazamataz
Willing to withdraw idea as a good idea, Laz. Believe it not so good an idea after mnehring’s post. Have always thought those who crave power over all others were simply one step away from making all transmitters into receivers too.
27 posted on 07/22/2012 10:46:49 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

a lot of the temple is still there. I went there.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 10:47:30 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Lazamataz

If they think there’s a good chance their plan will end in failure—as in, citizens with guns might be there—the sociopath won’t try it in the first place because failure is a narcissistic injury.


29 posted on 07/22/2012 10:47:38 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Lazamataz

Again won’t fly with a modern 1st Amendment.

Maybe in some silly la la land we can talk about this, but not America. For corn sakes not even Singapore would do that. (Singapore would cane him to death or something, but not this.)


30 posted on 07/22/2012 10:48:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: mnehring
Naw, I'm not talking about The Memory Hole. I'm not talking about past criminals being erased. I'm talking about new ones. I'm not talking about universal observation, either, just if someone mentions the mass murderer's name, then they run the risk of the charge. Not worth it to the 99%, and the 1% that identify with the shooter and want to make him a legend are probably insane already and NEED to be identified.

We are working out the details if legislation is to be considered, voluntary compliance would be good, but you made a darn good point about those who LIKE evil.

31 posted on 07/22/2012 10:48:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Unfortunately the gun-grabbers have a political objective to keep stories like these front and center.


32 posted on 07/22/2012 10:49:11 PM PDT by BobL
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To: dragnet2

Comon man. Think outside the box a little.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 10:49:33 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: BobL
Unfortunately the gun-grabbers have a political objective to keep stories like these front and center.

The grabbers can still do their blood dance. Just without mentioning the shooter's name.

34 posted on 07/22/2012 10:50:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

You know, I’m now not sure if high placed Democrats would cooperate in asking the media to shame mass attackers like this (whether shooting, robbery, rape, whatever). Because they might WANT the chaos and social fretting and worry. Damping it down wouldn’t serve Alinsky well at all.


35 posted on 07/22/2012 10:51:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It might be a violation of the First Amendment, I will grant you that. Of course, with today’s supreme court (lack of capitalisation purposed), it might fly.


36 posted on 07/22/2012 10:52:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh yeah...The next guy who shoots up 25, we’ll keep his name and ID secret....No one will know anything!!


37 posted on 07/22/2012 10:52:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lazamataz

“The shooter in the Batman movie” isn’t as shocking as the now infamous name.


38 posted on 07/22/2012 10:52:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Lazamataz

Nah, this is one of the few issues that generally gets unanimous votes out of them.


39 posted on 07/22/2012 10:54:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: dragnet2
I grant you it's a big stretch, and I prefaced it with saying we'd need a cooperative society. mnehring reminded me that there is a small percentage of the population that loves evil. They would keep his or her name alive.

I responded with the concept of banishment and criminalizing name mentions.

Hey, I'm trying to think of something that would WORK, not the phony-baloney gun control stuff.

40 posted on 07/22/2012 10:54:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

First, all politicians and the media would have to be... eliminated.

We can’t even fight a war without these mutants leaking tactics and other critical information to our enemies.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 10:55:52 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Lazamataz

A decent MSM. Or lacking that, someone to whom they are lapdogs giving the dog command. How about giving Barack Obama a buzz.


42 posted on 07/22/2012 10:56:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Gator113
First, all politicians and the media would have to be... eliminated.

Hey! Unintended side benefits!

I fail to see a downside here. LOL

43 posted on 07/22/2012 10:57:11 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

That is an excellent idea which I have been advocating for 5 decades. Don’t give them what they want, the infamy. The hungry public, ourselves among it, won’t accept it. How many threads have we seen on the topic here? How many hungry vanities with unoriginal passing thoughts? Conventional wisdom, piles of cliches and banalities. The crowd screams for more. Remember: Blood on the tracks, or If I could stick a knife in my heart, Suicide right on stage, Would it be enough for your teenage lust, Would it help to ease the pain? Ease your brain?

It’s a pity, Laz, and I don’t know which is worse, the hunger of the perp or the hunger of the mob, the looky loos, the freeway accident voyeurs. The idea won’t fly, it’s under the bus!


44 posted on 07/22/2012 10:57:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Lazamataz

Society could do with a not-to-be-racist blackout/shunning of all them. But there’s also the other motivation problem of those who live inside their heads who don’t desire glory, but seek power and ultimate control of others’ very existence; of course mainly ruled by extinguishing it. These sadistic nuts derive their jollies from the act itself irrespective of gaining fame, and, I reckon, are tougher to crack.


45 posted on 07/22/2012 10:58:07 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: Revolting cat!
The idea won’t fly, it’s under the bus!

Probably. But it's worth a think.

Love the Stones reference. :)

46 posted on 07/22/2012 10:58:45 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Better than all that, immediately illuminate all foreign aid and redirect it to our vets and Americans genuinely down on their luck. Evict the U.N. enemy from out shores, etc.

This is just for starters.


47 posted on 07/22/2012 10:59:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Dysart
Society could do with a not-to-be-racist blackout/shunning of all them. But there’s also the other motivation problem of those who live inside their heads who don’t desire glory, but seek power and ultimate control of others’ very existence; of course mainly ruled by extinguishing it. These sadistic nuts derive their jollies from the act itself irrespective of gaining fame, and, I reckon, are tougher to crack.

True. But this idea, probably unworkable but worth talking about, would quench the fire of a significant percentage of them.

48 posted on 07/22/2012 11:00:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: dragnet2
Better than all that, immediately illuminate all foreign aid and redirect it to our vets and Americans genuinely down on their luck. Evict the U.N. enemy from out shores, etc. This is just for starters.

Run for office and I will vote for you.

49 posted on 07/22/2012 11:01:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I would prefer that they. be referred to as "anonymous loser".

Call every one exactly the same thing...

50 posted on 07/22/2012 11:03:04 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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