Posted on 07/22/2012 10:22:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz
It is often noticed that motivation of the grinning psychopaths that open up on unarmed citizens is to be remembered in history.
It appears they have no concern for what punishment lies before them, even the threat of death -- then, or issued as a penalty -- is not enough to deter them, They only seem to want the fame.
What is the solution, then? Gun control is the answer the liberals come up with. Gun control, however, will not stop the grinning psychopath. They will find other ways. Chemicals can be bought and explosives made. Gasoline and proper placement of the fire can trap many dozens. A sword or machete can be used to kill more than a dozen trapped people, and they can be easily fashioned from strips of metal.
Further, let us consider that harming the rights of millions to stop the one or two a year that act out like this, is no solution. It is 'prior restraint', and it is not to be allowed in America.
So what is the solution?
Go to the grinning psychopaths' motivation. Deny them their place in history. Erase their name.
This idea was spawned by the movie '300', in which Xerxes threatens Leonides with annihilation, and banishment from history:
Xerxes, clearly enraged: "There will be no glory in your sacrifice. I will erase even the memory of Sparta from the histories. Every piece of Greek parchment shall be burned. Every Greek historian and every scribe shall have their eyes put out......and their tongues cut from their mouths. Why, uttering the very name of Sparta or Leonidas will be punishable by death! The world will never know you existed at all!!"
Do this punishment for these mass shooters, these grinning psychopaths. The minute their name is known, DO NOT announce it on the news. Refer to them only as Suspect Number (whatever). DO NOT record their name in history books or on Wikipedia or anywhere on the internet.
Banish them to obscurity. Forever.
This will require a great deal of restraint and a truly disciplined society, at least where this is concerned. The news media will need to cooperate. The police will need to cooperate. The good researchers on the internet will need to cooperate. The name will undoubtedly leak out, but if it does, even the common man will need to cooperate and not spread it further.
Deny them their place in history. Refer to them only as Suspect Number (whatever the number happens to be).
Will it stop them all? No. But it will stop a few... quite a few, I suspect.
Not so disturbing, or funny, this time. Rather a decent idea, I think.
Ping
One of the seven wonders of the ancient world was the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus. It was burned by Herostratus in 356 BC simply because he wanted to be famous. As punishment, the city decided to wipe out Herstratus' name. No one would ever know that Herostratus was the arsonist who burned down the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus.
Apparently, this sort of deletion is harder than it looks.
The date (20th of the month), the location, and the M.O. bear such striking similarities to Columbine that it is highly probably that this evil man was hoping to acheive a higher body count than the Columbine pair.
He did not.
He will get a needle in his arm knowing that he was a “failure”.
Almost perfect justice.
Perfect justice would be total obscurity.
It's hard, but boy would it take the air out of their tires.
A chipper shredder, feet first, televised to all would probably be a better deterrent.
Mr. Mataz, the pupose of this post is to bookmark it for tomorrow and read the subsequent comments....can't wait!
Have a great night all!
I like the idea as a conceptual theory, but unfortunately, society doesn’t cooperate in such an ideal way.
The problem is this could unite the psychopaths into an underground clique who feed off each other’s legends. There will always be groups keeping these names and acquaintances revealing information. When 99% of society complies, the 1% band together to keep these legends(sic) alive and instead of being painted as just a nutjob, they now achieve a darker, mysterious, legendary status among others of like mind.
They don’t care. They only care about being famous. Well, INfamous, actually.
A Xerxes tyrannical enough to enforce this would not be tolerated today for other reasons, but a society stern enough to be united in the shaming would be helpful.
Ya know, when Barack Obama and Jay Carney were making a big deal about not mentioning the shooter’s name, they could have suggested it. You can bet the MSM would immediately kowtow. It would be maybe the best thing Barack Obama had done in his entire sorry loser career.
Well stated.
Then make it a crime. A serious one, that is prosecuted. "Stating The Name Of The Banished, First Degree, Felony".
Another problem I have with this is that the psychopaths would have succeeded in changing society.
From an open and free society, we now have a society whose justice system extends to not only punishing the guilty, but controlling what the rest of society speaks of the crime.
Imagine the control needed to accomplish this.
It would go a long way towards giving Barack a (slightly more) positive legacy.
Which wouldn’t fly in a land with a modern First Amendment, of course.
But it’s almost as good if major news organizations would do it voluntarily. And Barack Obama is in about as good a place as anybody to ask for it. How about it Barack. Do something classy for once.
Get the cops to know the people and the cops will find out who the schizo`s are really quick coz the neighbors will tell them who the strange freako`s are...
That`s what we do here plus we all have guns here and the cops know it and RESPECT US coz most of have shot a gun since we were 6...
What we need would be something like librarians who erase or correct all the media and books, removing these blemishes. It wouldn't just be the crime, but the cleansing of all references.
Of course, to stop all whispers, there must be total observation and control. Everyone has TV's. Maybe something where the TV not only gives you information, but monitors you don't say the wrong words.
This is all sounding very familiar.
Although a good idea, your is, I have doubts any of us are that disciplined.
Get the cops to know the people and the cops will find out who the schizo`s are really quick coz the neighbors will tell them who the strange freako`s are...
That`s what we do here plus we all have guns here and the cops know it and RESPECT US coz most of have shot a gun since we were 6...
Do we do this before or after we tar and feather them, hang them, draw and quarter them, set the pieces on fire and let everyone piss on the remains?
This is true. A voluntary news oblivion would be the best we could hope. How about it Barack. Tell your lapdogs to do their tricks.
What about the idea of criminalizing it... not the details, not even the photo, just the mention of the name. A court order slapped on name mention right away, and contempt of court misdemeanor if violated.... promoted to a felony mention charge if mentioned after conviction.
You're dreaming or on drugs. It might be affecting your neurological sensors and differential. Please stop abusing yourself.
You know how the Roman gods died?
They were ignored by their people day after day, everyday until one day they were irrelevant and no longer remembered...
a lot of the temple is still there. I went there.
If they think there’s a good chance their plan will end in failure—as in, citizens with guns might be there—the sociopath won’t try it in the first place because failure is a narcissistic injury.
Again won’t fly with a modern 1st Amendment.
Maybe in some silly la la land we can talk about this, but not America. For corn sakes not even Singapore would do that. (Singapore would cane him to death or something, but not this.)
We are working out the details if legislation is to be considered, voluntary compliance would be good, but you made a darn good point about those who LIKE evil.
Unfortunately the gun-grabbers have a political objective to keep stories like these front and center.
Comon man. Think outside the box a little.
The grabbers can still do their blood dance. Just without mentioning the shooter's name.
You know, I’m now not sure if high placed Democrats would cooperate in asking the media to shame mass attackers like this (whether shooting, robbery, rape, whatever). Because they might WANT the chaos and social fretting and worry. Damping it down wouldn’t serve Alinsky well at all.
It might be a violation of the First Amendment, I will grant you that. Of course, with today’s supreme court (lack of capitalisation purposed), it might fly.
Oh yeah...The next guy who shoots up 25, we’ll keep his name and ID secret....No one will know anything!!
“The shooter in the Batman movie” isn’t as shocking as the now infamous name.
Nah, this is one of the few issues that generally gets unanimous votes out of them.
I responded with the concept of banishment and criminalizing name mentions.
Hey, I'm trying to think of something that would WORK, not the phony-baloney gun control stuff.
First, all politicians and the media would have to be... eliminated.
We can’t even fight a war without these mutants leaking tactics and other critical information to our enemies.
A decent MSM. Or lacking that, someone to whom they are lapdogs giving the dog command. How about giving Barack Obama a buzz.
Hey! Unintended side benefits!
I fail to see a downside here. LOL
That is an excellent idea which I have been advocating for 5 decades. Don’t give them what they want, the infamy. The hungry public, ourselves among it, won’t accept it. How many threads have we seen on the topic here? How many hungry vanities with unoriginal passing thoughts? Conventional wisdom, piles of cliches and banalities. The crowd screams for more. Remember: Blood on the tracks, or If I could stick a knife in my heart, Suicide right on stage, Would it be enough for your teenage lust, Would it help to ease the pain? Ease your brain?
It’s a pity, Laz, and I don’t know which is worse, the hunger of the perp or the hunger of the mob, the looky loos, the freeway accident voyeurs. The idea won’t fly, it’s under the bus!
Society could do with a not-to-be-racist blackout/shunning of all them. But there’s also the other motivation problem of those who live inside their heads who don’t desire glory, but seek power and ultimate control of others’ very existence; of course mainly ruled by extinguishing it. These sadistic nuts derive their jollies from the act itself irrespective of gaining fame, and, I reckon, are tougher to crack.
Probably. But it's worth a think.
Love the Stones reference. :)
Better than all that, immediately illuminate all foreign aid and redirect it to our vets and Americans genuinely down on their luck. Evict the U.N. enemy from out shores, etc.
This is just for starters.
True. But this idea, probably unworkable but worth talking about, would quench the fire of a significant percentage of them.
Run for office and I will vote for you.
Call every one exactly the same thing...
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