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Centerville hopes to ban smoke shops (Utah conservatism at work.)
KSL.com ^ | July 28th, 2012 | Jared Page

Posted on 07/28/2012 3:17:30 PM PDT by pennyfarmer

CENTERVILLE — Sandwiched between a pair of cellphone providers and just a few rows of parking away from a pancake house, a tenant at the Centerville Marketplace advertises "cigars, hookah, gifts and more" on a storefront sign.

City leaders and law enforcement officials say the Smoke Shop at 356 N. Marketplace Drive is out of place, and they want to prevent other tobacco retailers from setting up shop in the city.

"It's been a continuous problem for our police department," City Manager Steve Thacker said of Centerville's lone smoke shop.

The city is considering an all-out ban on tobacco retailers, which would be the first of its kind in Utah, but likely not the last. Municipalities throughout the state are working to revise zoning for such establishments to comply with a new state law that went into effect July 1.

A bill passed during the 2012 Legislature and signed by Gov. Gary Herbert in March requires businesses that want to primarily sell tobacco or smoking paraphernalia to obtain a "tobacco specialty business license," which sets standards for where and how they can operate.

(Excerpt) Read more at ksl.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; bullystate; scam; tobacco; utahscam; zoninglaws
My favorite quote from the article:
"If you look at the clientele at tobacco shops, they're not exactly the best people. They're buying drugs for crying out loud," Ray said, referring to shops that have "thumbed their noses" at the state's ban on selling spice.

I suppose that the smoke shops were just asking for government intrusion when they break the law constantly. I wish they would have just complied and slipped back into the cultural shadows. I still don't think that the conservatives of this state understand the small government portion of being a conservative.

1 posted on 07/28/2012 3:17:37 PM PDT by pennyfarmer
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To: pennyfarmer
There'll be even more of this with Romney. Then there's that problem with Coca Cola, tea and coffee.

No idea how those people stay awake.

2 posted on 07/28/2012 3:22:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

” Then there’s that problem with Coca Cola, tea and coffee.
No idea how those people stay awake. “

Ah, but these things are only bad for the sheeple - our betters, the Elites, can handle them....

/s


3 posted on 07/28/2012 3:28:59 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: muawiyah

Banning Tobacco is not a Conservative principle, interesting how the fake Conservatives just love petty fascism as much as the Left.


4 posted on 07/28/2012 3:30:36 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa
True, true ~ and as many have noticed a good number of the professional Mittbots have ridden the lightning out of here when they revealed their true proclivities.

So, anyone know how we ended up with a bunch of fascists claiming they were Conservatives? I"ve forgotten that part.

(NOTE: Actually I never forget that part where there are people scattered about the Great Plains and Intermountain West who literally thrive on this deal where you get a bunch of crazy rules together in one place and then worship them ~ )

5 posted on 07/28/2012 3:39:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: iopscusa
I agree. In principle. BUT, as long as society is forced to pay for their health care, we must ban tobacco.

/asshat prohibitionist mode off

6 posted on 07/28/2012 3:43:24 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: pennyfarmer
Local towns should be able to make their own zoning laws.

Porn used to be outlawed in decent communites until the federal courts took the power away from the people.

7 posted on 07/28/2012 3:43:55 PM PDT by donna ("...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way..." -Mitt Romney)
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To: donna

I would tend to agree. The problem is its more than just this city, the state has made a change to where smoke shops can be located. It appears to be a complicated change that makes tobacco more regulated than many aspects regarding alcohol.

Those of us in Utah that are not Mormon get a bit sensitive about the legality of being an adult. The LDS church has such a stranglehold on our government that it barely gets to come up from the baptismal water for a breath.

If this smoke shop broke the law then shut them down, arrest the owner, then throw him in jail. If not then I don’t think that the perception that patrons of a smoke shop are “not the best people” is reason enough to shut them down. I don’t think that Represenative Paul Ray is a good person although I am sure he thinks he is. I mean good in the biblical sense.


8 posted on 07/28/2012 3:58:31 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: pennyfarmer

When hookahs are outlawed, only outlaws will have hookahs.


9 posted on 07/28/2012 4:07:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: pennyfarmer
My favorite quote from the article:
"If you look at the clientele at tobacco shops, they're not exactly the best people. They're buying drugs for crying out loud," Ray said, referring to shops that have "thumbed their noses" at the state's ban on selling spice.


Or, more likely, their town simply has a 'bad clientele' to start with. The cigar shop near my house is pretty nice and doesn't seem o have any issues that they describe here.

En Fuego Tobacco Shop
10 posted on 07/28/2012 4:14:05 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

It is often times a self righteous characterization that LDS people place on non-LDS people. If you don’t have a temple recommend then you are one of those telestial beings at best.


11 posted on 07/28/2012 4:19:36 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: pennyfarmer
If you look at the clientele at tobacco shops, they're not exactly the best people.

Indeed! In November, 2008, a group of conservatives met for a cigar party at a tobacco shop in Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif. The man who organized the group now serves on the city council.

12 posted on 07/28/2012 4:24:55 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: pennyfarmer

It’s not Conservatism, it’s Puritanism.


13 posted on 07/28/2012 4:31:42 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: pennyfarmer
FTA:

"Tobacco shops are much more dangerous to a community than a liquor store is," he said."

These people are f'ing morons.

No difference between this and the Chick-fil-A flap: trying to shove your own morals and opinions down the throats of others.

The Kenyan must go.

14 posted on 07/28/2012 4:43:27 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: iopscusa
interesting how the fake Conservatives just love petty fascism as much as the Left.

Yes, it is -- and yes, they do.

They'll always defend their fascism [dressed up as patriotism] as necessary for the republic, though.

15 posted on 07/28/2012 4:48:26 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: pennyfarmer

Do non-LDS people in Utah have to pay a jizyah?


16 posted on 07/28/2012 4:52:21 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: pennyfarmer

Their approach is wrong. When you have a dozen different people spit-balling how to exclude a business, and saying so, it almost guarantees that the courts will find those actions to be unlawful. It is called “telegraphing” your intentions.

Instead, being careful not to break any public meetings laws, you do your planning quietly and speak with one voice, through a single spokesman, using some technique that has been proven to work elsewhere.

Judges are often amenable to such exclusions, as long as they are not blatant and are presented in an orderly fashion.


17 posted on 07/28/2012 4:59:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: pennyfarmer

Sounds like he’s a Fascist Pig.


18 posted on 07/28/2012 5:24:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: donna
Cities and states don't have to do everything the feds tell them to.
If the feds change laws then it's their onus to force it through the courts.

I am sick of the Fed power grab and they need to be sent packing
backwards 50-years. And I don't give a damn about other peoples cheeeldren.

19 posted on 07/28/2012 5:41:58 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: iopscusa

“Banning Tobacco is not a Conservative principle, interesting how the fake Conservatives just love petty fascism as much as the Left.”

That’s why some so-called conservatives get along very well with leftist goosesteppers. They’re on the same team.

Private property? Screw that! We have a collectivist agenda to carry out.

Ein Reich!

Ein volk!

Seig heil!


20 posted on 07/28/2012 7:22:46 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yup, that’s how the Dems do it. These fascists can learn a thing or two from the commies.


21 posted on 07/28/2012 7:47:38 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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